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Speculative Question:Do you ever think another drug will get a reputation like weed?

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We see celebrities toking on stage, James Franco, Seth Rogen, Miley Cyrus, it will eventually be legal everywhere, and I think it will eventually have the social stigma of alcohol (meaning acceptable to consume) do you think there is a potential drug that might have this kind of effect on the community besides Weed and Alcohol in the Future/Distant Future that any of you are aware of? Just a random speculative question I thought would be neat for some of you to answer. !!
 
Visionary_Kpsycho said:
We see celebrities toking on stage, James Franco, Seth Rogen, Miley Cyrus, it will eventually be legal everywhere, and I think it will eventually have the social stigma of alcohol (meaning acceptable to consume) do you think there is a potential drug that might have this kind of effect on the community besides Weed and Alcohol in the Future/Distant Future that any of you are aware of? Just a random speculative question I thought would be neat for some of you to answer. !!
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Good question. I doubt that only because of how incredibly difficult it has been for legalization advocates to get marijuana to be accepted in the mainstream, let alone recreational opiate, amphetamines, etc.. What I do hope to see is a more thorough analysis of drug effects on the body and addiction as well. For example, I hope that eventually when something like, say, kratom comes into the spotlight, we'll be a lot smarter to not jump all over it and call it evil and a hazard calling for its ban.

We're a stupid people...a very stupid people. We ignore (or don't read) studies, or listen to scientists or doctors. For example, I saw Dr. Drew Pinsky on CNN talking about Philip Seymoure Hoffman having 5 drugs used for detox but he couldn't get his point across because of the ever annoying bitch who was interviewing him, claiming he shouldn't have had ANY of those drugs. WTF? Knowledge isn't required to make an opinion, even--no especially-- if you're a journalist. It's a good example for the larger picture to the question you're asking.
 
I'm not sure if there are any more drugs that deserve this reputation. Kratom, for instance, is way too addictive to be glorified the way weed is. As with most mu-agonists, at first it seems like there's no drawbacks, no hangover, no nothing. Then comes physical dependence and it's suddenly not so fun anymore.

I'm gonna think on this a bit more. Nice thread.
 
But is physical dependance really that bad? Caffeine and to a lesser extent, nicotine (in the form of vaping, not cigarettes) don't get such a bad rap as opiates. Not to mention all anti-depressants and prescription medicines such as benzodiazepines.
 
Chill guys, I wasn't attacking kratom. I don't even have any experience with it myself. I merely assumed, because of the generally very addictive nature of mu-agonists. I would have no problem whatsoever with it becoming legal/popular because I have had my fair share of experience with opiates. I'm not too sure about it being sensible for the inexperienced though. I think alot of people would become addicted to kratom, or even move on to opiates because of it. I was simply saying what I think could possibly go wrong if it were to happen.

I also think that because of the fact that it's a mu-agonist, it will never happen. At least not in our lifetime. The government would use this fact to create a (perhaps undeserved, in kratom case) stigma around the drug. I can see it now. "kratom acts on the mu-receptor, this is the same receptor that HEROIN and MORPHINE act on. Protect your children, vote yes for the ban on kratom." Or some similar bullshit haha. =D Of course I hope I'm wrong on this because kratom seems to help a lot of people who used to be into stronger opiates. And it seems to be a relatively safe alternative to real opiates for the unexperienced. I still think there is no way alcohol is as addictive as kratom. Despite not having tried it, I just can't see alcohol being even close to as addictive as ANY mu-agonist. I agree on the top shelf weed bit though.

I'm sceptical about kratom deserving this, because mu-agonists are the most addictive substances out there IMO. Granted I haven't tried it myself, but from what I've read it's very appealing to alot of people, and I know quite a few people who abuse it heavily. Anyway, this thread is not about which drugs you think deserve to become popular whilst remaining/becoming legal. It's about which drugs you think might actually attain this status.
 
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i think mdma or coke would probably be the next to attain that status a while down the track
it's not so much to do with how dangerous or addictive the drug is, imo, as who it is that's using them and how popular they are
 
I don't know if there are any should be treated the same way, but psychedelics seem to be losing a little less stigma, maybe down the road they will be given a second chance. not saying i think its gonna happen it just sounds like a nice idea.
 
^I would like to see legal peyote. A I don't think anybody would get strung out on it and they have legal peyote in Canada, Holland, etc.

P2C I realize addictiveness is all subjective but IMO kratom doesn't appear to be very addictive. Here is my anecdotal experience with kratom and why I think it would work as a legal drug

I have introduced a few former opiate addicts to it. The people who I showed it to used it for a time or still use it but never got addicted to it. They were so worried being former addicts of being addicted to a whole new drug. No one got addicted because taking too much kratom just made them sick so they just took enough to get that little bit of high\energy and eliminate cravings for harder drugs. This is despite being former opiate addicts. Granted these people are more responsible than your average teenager (think of the kids!!!). The average age is maybe 27, these people all have their own apartments, and being former addicts they are cautious.

EDIT:However not what the thread is about like you say P2C. Yes I think all drugs will one day be seen for what they are. Drugs are like people. They are imperfect and not compatible with everyone.
 
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Interesting thread, but even the original post begs the question - how stupid is the public? If you just look at the two drugs in question that you mention (cannabis and alcohol) minus all social stigmas, weed is much less harmful to you than alcohol, but alcohol has been a mainstream drug for mankind for literally thousands of years. Cannabis was smoked, of course, too, but historically there hasn't been much knowledge of it in the West (especially in Europe, where it was just grown purely as hemp for industrial use).

The point is, it's fucking ridiculous - public perception is just that, perception. If people want to guzzle alcohol down and have problems with their liver, or just get straight up alcohol poisoning, cool, man, I'll be reminiscing on when I smoked and never had to worry about any related health problems.

Minus all social stigmas, though, no, no other drug even deserves a reputation like weed (its positive reputation - the medical benefits etc.) because weed is just a plant with THC that gets people high as all shit. No overdose deaths at all. None.

And also, the high from cannabis, though reviled in the media for making people lazy, is manageable. It's only very mildly psychoactive. It's not like people can be tripping on shrooms and be going about their day like they aren't literally fucked out of their minds...
 
I'd like to see legalized heroin, morphine, oxycodone etc. Any properly studied mu or kappa receptor agonist basically, uncluding plants such as opium and kratom. As I said before, what's so bad about physical dependance? Apart from that, there are no other real negative consequences to the body by these drugs. I would suggest we start with opium and kratom, since they're fucking plants, for fuck sake, I don't think any plant should be banned. That's something society should have stopped happening a LONG time ago.
 
Physical dependance to opiates sucks but I think what your saying is.it wouldn't matter if it were legal and cheap like alcohol? I see the logic behind that and it would drop crime a ton. It's still never fun top wake up dopsick though.
 
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Physical dependance to opiates sucks but I think what your saying is.it wouldn't matter if it were legal and cheap like alcohol? I see the logic behind that and it would drop crime a ton. It's still never fun top wake up dopsick though.
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I think/hope you missed a word there :)

You think what I'm saying.. sucks? Or you think what I'm saying is it would matter if it was cheap and legal?

Sorry, that potential typo makes it hard for me to figure out exactly what you mean.

My argument to that is, it's already shit to wake up as a smoker to have no smokes in the morning, that's why I always have cigarettes in the morning. It does suck to be in life threatening withdrawals from alcohol or benzos when they're not around, therefore, users of these drugs ensure there is some there to wake up to. Why can't doctors and society treat opiates the same way without all the stigma attached?
 
MDMA - Yes
LSD - Yes

Money talks, if there is legislation created that allows for any currently illicit drug to be prescribed for medical reasons, guess what just became "socially acceptable"?
 
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^I would like to see legal peyote. A I don't think anybody would get strung out on it and they have legal peyote in Canada, Holland, etc.
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I'd like to see legal psilocybin more than peyote or mescaline (although I think they both should be legal, as well as LSD and DMT) but IME psilocybin has more enduring value. I think it would be a good drug to "start off on" or something.
 
I don't think so. In fact I think that Alcohol is grossly under-respected in most areas. I've tried everything and as far as recreational drugs go I think Cannabis is the only one you cannot get addicted to. Perhaps it's habit forming, I'll consent to that, but I've smoked top-shelf daily for years and years and had to quit for whatever reason with little to no negative consequences. You try that with alcohol or benzos you may die.

Stimulants take an obvious toll on your body, and while they may not induce a tissue dependence they are certainly psychologically addictive.

An organic Opiate (Opium/Morphine) does little to no damage to your body, however the addiction potential is just too great. I think in order for Opiates to become socially accepted (in the West) they'd need to be very cheap so addicts could afford them (like methadone), they'd have to be widely available and whatever opiate product would have to be absolutely the exact dose it says it is.

It'll be interesting to see what these vapor-pens do to drug acceptance.
 
Opi8 Ya sorry, guess I wasn't clear basically I totally agree with you, and opiate addicts shouldnt be demonized by society because of what works for them when someone with anxiety can easily get doc prescribed xanax or k pins.
 
I doubt marijuana's increasing acceptance will be extended to other illegal drugs any time soon. A lot of weed users have crossed the line from "marijuana is a relatively minor drug" to "marijuana is harmless", and they still fear other drugs as much as anyone. They remind me of alcohol users in a lot of ways, although unlike that group they've at least picked a genuinely minor drug to downplay.
 
Organic psychedelics such as psilo- mushrooms, maybe. Anything synthetic or semi-synthetic is too "sketchy."

I can't think of anything else with great potential to be at the same time ostracized and embraced.
 
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