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Soy and Health Concerns

Theres a really good brand of soymilk called Bonsoy which is made to a japanese (i think) recipe whereby they add kombu (seaweed) to aid digestion. Very nice tasting and made with organic ingredients, if your worried about not diegesting soy milk efficiently i would definitely recommend it.


**I'm in Australia so im not sure how accessible this brand is to other countries.
 
mindbodysOul said:
Theres a really good brand of soymilk called Bonsoy which is made to a japanese (i think) recipe whereby they add kombu (seaweed) to aid digestion. Very nice tasting and made with organic ingredients, if your worried about not diegesting soy milk efficiently i would definitely recommend it.


**I'm in Australia so im not sure how accessible this brand is to other countries.
I should have mentioned Bonsoy in the first place. For those of you who are concerned with the digestion side of things, then Bonsoy is the only brand of soy milk out there (as far as I know), that is the exception to the rule as far as digestion goes. It's widely available in Australia, and it's also available in organic and some health food shops in the UK, but also quite expensive in the UK. I still prefer oat milk though, but that's my choice. :)
 
pekkie said:
I put down cows milk for those people who aren't lactose intolerant, as it is easier to digest than soya milk is. Obviously if you have that problem of being lactose intolerant then you aren't going to go for that choice, are you?

Almond milk is nice, but you can't use it for everything as it can be quite sweet. Nothing worse than putting something like that in your tea or coffee when you don't want it to taste sweet in the first place. Oat milk has a nice mild taste, and can be pretty much used for anything, and it's awesome for using for your cappuccino as it froths up quite nicely. :)

I honestly never knew that soya milk was hard to digest. I knew the calcium naturally found in it was indigestible, but otherwise I was unaware. Do you have something I can read more about it?

As for almond milk, your opinion of it is strange. Too sweet? To me, whole milk seems to have 16g sugar per 8 fl oz, whereas the almond milk I drink has 6.7g for the same, and from what I taste, it is hardly sweet. I was unfamiliar with oat milk, so I looked up "pacific foods" oat milk, which has 19g sugar in the same serving. I guess it depends on where you get your milks, eh?
 
>>High saturated yes but Coconut oil and it's associated medium chain fatty acids are a LOT healthier for you than mono-polyunsaturated vegetable oils. MUCH healthier. I recommend this book :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158...lance&n=283155
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There are, however, numerous studies showing the health benefits of mono and poly unsaturated fats. At this point, given the ambiguity and conflicts among studies, the best I can do is acheive a moderate intake of a variety of plant oils.

ebola
 
^^ Makes you wonder if it's really the benefits of those fats or merely the lack of other fats due to replacement that results in positive health outcomes. This question I wonder quite a lot..
 
StagnantReaction said:
I honestly never knew that soya milk was hard to digest. I knew the calcium naturally found in it was indigestible, but otherwise I was unaware. Do you have something I can read more about it?

As for almond milk, your opinion of it is strange. Too sweet? To me, whole milk seems to have 16g sugar per 8 fl oz, whereas the almond milk I drink has 6.7g for the same, and from what I taste, it is hardly sweet. I was unfamiliar with oat milk, so I looked up "pacific foods" oat milk, which has 19g sugar in the same serving. I guess it depends on where you get your milks, eh?
The nutritional contents and stuff for the milks that I've tried and drink are quite different to your findings, except for the Almond Milk.

http://www.oatly.com/int/ <- that's the oat milk I drink. I know it's measuring it per 100ml, but even when you scale it up to 8 fl oz (250ml), it doesn't get close to 19g. More like 10g.

http://www.rachelsorganic.co.uk/products/milk/fm-skimmed.html <- If I do have to drink cows milk then it has to be the organic skimmed milk, otherwise it makes me feel ill. For the same measurements as I did before, the sugars came up to 12g per 250ml. If you have a look for the full cream milk, then you'll find that the sugars are even less when converted to 250ml.

http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/433567.html <- You are correct about the amount of sugar for Almond milk, but it's sweeter than the others because it has Agave syrup in it. Agave syrup is a natural sweetner that is safe for diabetics to have.
http://www.shakeoffthesugar.net/article1042.html <- That's just a bit of info about agave syrup.

Now for the soya milk information. Unfortunately I don't have my work articles with me, and I can't send you any reputable links, but from what my fellow workmates have told me (macrobiotic specialists if you must know), it's got to do with how the soya has been prepared beforehand. For soya milk to be able to digest in your body effectively it has to soaked for quite some time before it's been turned into milk. There's probably info on the net about it somewhere, but to find anything that you can actually trust the info of is like trying to find a needle in a haystack, so I'll leave it until after I've gone back to work.
 
ebola? said:
There are, however, numerous studies showing the health benefits of mono and poly unsaturated fats. At this point, given the ambiguity and conflicts among studies, the best I can do is acheive a moderate intake of a variety of plant oils.

ebola

Each of the fatty acids, regardless of whether it is saturated or not, affects the body differently and exerts different influences on health. e.g. one saturated fat may have adverse health effects while another promotes better health ; the same is true of monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fat. For example, olive oil has been hailed as one of the "good" fats (composed primarily of a monounsaturated fatty acid called oleic acid) bec those people who eat it in place of other oils have less heart disease. Likewise some polyunsaturated fatty acids can also cause problems. So we cannot really say one oil is "bad" because it is saturated while another is "good" because it is mono/polyunsaturated. It all depends on the type of fatty acid and not simply its degree of saturation. (but i agree that all hydrogenated oils are EVIL!~!!!!!)

I know for sure that I would prefer tropical oils/olive oil over soybean and corn oil for a variety of reasons.
(maybe someone should resurrect the saturated fat/oils thread;))
 
Personally, I steer clear from all soy products especially since I have a sluggish thyroid. Everybody is different I suppose, as soy does have benefits for other people . I personally think it is poison to the thyroid. I will never let my future babies drink soy milk either!


The Truth about Soy
 
I eat shit-tons of soy products and my thyroid is absolutely fine. I've had six blood thyroid tests in the past three months and they've all been totally normal.

"The term phytate refers to several compounds that are based on phytic acid (inositol hexaphosphate). It is the presence of multiple phosphates in phytates that makes them effective chelating agents, i.e. they have the ability to bind to certain metal ions. Obviously if metals are bound up in a phytate-complex, they are less available to the body ( i.e. less bioavailable) for nutritive purposes."
...that's nice, but too much metallic elements in the body is exceptionally harmful. Inositol hexaphosphate is suspected to be the element in fiber that causes colon cancer protection.

"Soy contains the scientifically documented carcinogenic and DNA damaging and chromosome damaging natural chemicals genistein and daidzein."
What? There are far more studies showing that these two compounds are chemopreventative agents against the growth of cancer, and that they can also prevent heart disease. People seem to forget that soy phytoestrogens are partial estrogen agonists and compete with endogenous estrogens in the body (while cow's milk contains some very potent and possibly dangerous estrogens!). Sure, if exposed to breast cancer cells soy phytoestrogens may cause them to grow a bit, but it's nothing in comparison to what endogenous estrogens like estradiol and estrone do to breast cancer cell proliferation... I really wouldn't be surprised if we found soy estrogens breast cancer preventative in the long run.

edit:
Women who regularly ate soy when they were children may have a 58 percent lower risk of developing breast cancer as adults, according to a new study presented at a meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research in Boston.
Cow's Milk and Meat Products Consumption Associated with Breast Cancer
^^ Japan has a 5% breast cancer death rate, while the UK has 30%!
 
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Beware, LONG. BUT. I found this article very interesting. Everything in moderation is the key. AS always!

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I recently read an article in Mothering magazine that had some really negative things to say about soy and soy formula. I also have seen some web sites on line that say soy could be harmful. Is there any truth to any of this? - P.A., Seattle, Washington

What in the world is up with soy these days? For the past twenty or thirty years soy has been the darling of the health food world. Who could possibly say anything bad about soy? Well, the Weston Price Foundation, the Gerson Institute, and now Kaayla Daniel, PhD, CCN, to name a few. Daniel's new book is titled "The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food." Thinking about the dark side of soy is like thinking about the dark side of Gandhi...or Mother Teresa. C'mon. It's crazy talk! Or is it?

The strange and unnatural things that are done to soy may be your last connection to pop food culture. Not Dogs and breakfast sausage are special to you, I know. And what the hell are you supposed to put in your coffee besides soymilk? Certainly not watery rice milk! Okay. Calm down and think this soy controversy through.

Let's review some reasons we turned to soy in the first place:

• It results in lower cholesterol levels than consuming meat, and as a result prob- ably contributes to reducing the risk of cardiovascular disease.
• It provides a high protein alternative for vegetarians and vegans.
• Several studies have supported the posi- tive effect on soy for menopausal symp- toms including hot flashes.
• Studies show soy may help to improve bone density in post-menopausal women.
• Soy consumption could facilitate weight loss because of its high protein, low fat content.
• Some studies have shown that soy is helpful in controlling blood sugar levels, again because it is a high protein, low carbohydrate food.

So, soy is irrefutably a superfood, right? Well, not so fast. For many a vegetarian or vegan, soy has become a major staple in the diet. Aren't there some days you look back and realize you have consumed it for breakfast, lunch and dinner...oh, and maybe it was even in the soy ice cream or vegan dessert that you had? The potential problems of soy are more likely to occur when the consumption is daily, in relatively large quantities, and over a long period of time.

So, now that we have seen the charming list of some soy virtues, let's take a look at the negative press that soy has been receiving recently. I have read much of this information on the internet and very little is actually referenced for source. I did some Medline searches on each of these topics and found some to be substantiated by a few studies, which are referenced here. Ultimately, you will have to make your own decision about whether soy belongs in your diet, and if so, how much.

Soy contains a chemical called phytic acid. This chemical, which is not removed in the cooking process, could reduce the absorption of some minerals. These include calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. There are several studies that seem to confirm reduced mineral absorption of iron and zinc. They don't indicate the amounts of soy necessary to do this, or exactly how much absorption it would affect.1, 2

Soy contains protease inhibitors. Proteases are enzymes that digest proteins. If soy does contain protease inhibitors, then it could possibly interfere with the proper digestion and assimilation of protein. Again, there is some research that confirms the existence of these enzyme inhibitors. What it doesn't indicate is how long these enzyme inhibitors stay active, or what the effects on health might ultimately be.3

To complicate matters further, an article in Circulation, the journal reporting on cardiovascular health, states that both phytic acid and the trypsin (a type of protease) inhibitor may be important mechanisms of action in lowering LDL cholesterol.4 This seems to be a stretch to believe, but it is referenced as having support. My first guess about why consuming soy helps to reduce the "bad" form of cholesterol is that it has as much to do with what you are not eating with as what you are eating. If you are consuming more soy, then it is likely you are substituting that for more saturated fat-containing foods. This change alone would help to lower serum cholesterol.

Soy contains phytoestrogens. While some studies indicate that it is the phytoestrogens that have the protective effect in cancers, other studies are less favorable. The problem may be that these phytoestrogens may bind to estrogen receptors in the body, causing negative effects, just as exogenous estrogens from synthetic hormone replacement therapy may cause harm. This may, then, actually increase the risk of breast or uterine cancer. The literature is mixed, with studies supporting both sides of the argument.

The American Cancer Society recommends that cancer survivors consume a moderate amount of soy. For example, some tofu in a stir-fry a few times a week may be harmless, but they should consider avoiding soy supplements in capsules. This also has to do with a study that concluded that the more processed forms of soy, like isoflavones, actually stimulated breast tumor growth in animals, while the consumption of soy did not.

Soy is a goitrogen. A goitrogen is a kind of food that suppresses the functioning of the thyroid gland.5, 6 The literature here is also mixed. The information comes from studies done on animals and it says that the studies reduced the function of the thyroid, but not enough to cause significant changes in blood values like TSH. TSH is a measure of thyroid function, and the major medical determinant as to whether a person is hypothyroid.

Soy also may be implicated in higher incidences of autoimmune disease in infants who consume soy formula.7 There is much controversy also about the safety of soy formula in general. One thing that emerges again and again is that the concentrate forms of soy (like isoflavones) have an estrogenic affect, which could potentially affect men or women. None of these ideas has had adequate research on humans.

A recent article in the Journal of Nutrition states that based on a review of the current information available about soy, that soy formula is safe. This article, which claims to review the "current evidence" available also seems to have been sponsored by a major manufacturer of soy formula.8 There's a surprise!

After reviewing the research in preparation for this article, I have to admit I am unclear as to what conclusion to draw. It seems ridiculous to imagine banning all soy from the diet, or to think about soy as being as harmful as fried food or barbecued meat. On the other hand, the "more is always better" mentality that we have in our culture doesn't seem to serve us when considering soy either. The answer, then, seems to be moderation. Here are some thoughts about the soy issue, based on some of the basic principles of natural medicine:

Soy is a highly processed food. It goes through quite a bit of heating. In the processing of tofu, the soybeans are heated to a high temperature and go through a solvent extraction process to remove the oils. This brings up another issue. In the course of processing, the naturally occurring essential fatty acids and carbohydrate portion of the soybean are removed. Soybeans themselves are also incredibly difficult to digest, probably because of the naturally occurring trypsin inhibitor. There are two types that can be digested: the black soy bean and the type which is still in the pod, also known as edamame (I love the tag line I saw recently shaping the image of this type of soy. It read, "Try edamame- the gay man's peanut." Very creative!)

The following is the process for making commercial soymilk. To remove the naturally occurring trypsin (protease inhibitor), the beans are first soaked in an alkaline solution, and then heated to 115 degrees. This denatures (destroys) the proteins. They are further processed to produce the pretty milk we all enjoy from those aseptic containers.

Soy is also one of the top food allergens. It ranks right up there with dairy, wheat, egg, peanuts, and citrus. It is typically included on any food allergy test panel that tests for the IgG immune system reaction in the blood. This reaction may be asymptomatic, causing chronic inflammation in the body. It may also cause symptoms like digestive distress. Some people eat soy for several years, and then notice that they are starting to react to it.

In fact, the top food allergens are those that people consume again and again, day in and day out. The body loves variety. The best way to protect yourself from the negative effects of any food would be to add variety to your diet. Read the labels! In the quest to find prepared palatable foods for vegetarians, I have seen many foods that contain some variation on soy, even when you wouldn't have expected to find any in the product.

Definitely avoid any soy product that does not specifically indicate that it is a non-GM (genetically modified) product. Food producers are not required to disclose if they use GM soy. However, most manufacturers want to let you know if they don't use GM soy, so look for that disclosure. Much of the soy now being produced in the United States is GM soy. Soy is in many products that the non-veggie population consumes as well. Remember Hamburger Helper? It's Texturized Vegetable Protein that helps to "extend the meat".

I would recommend considering moderate soy consumption. If you eat tofu or soy a few times per week, or one time per day, that seems reasonable. If you, however, have come to depend on soy as your main source of protein, then I suggest that you begin to consider some alternatives. I recommend raw nuts and seeds as at least one other alternative source of protein for vegans. These can be made into great milks, "mock tuna" or other faux dairy or meat dishes (e-mail Dr. Ariel at Herbivore for recipes). They contain protein as well as essential fatty acids. These EFA's have been removed from many soy derivatives as a result of the processing.

References:
1 Hurrell RF, Juillerat MA, Reddy MB, Lynch SR, Dassenko SA, Cook JD. "Soy protein, phytate, and iron absorption in humans." Am J Clin Nutr. 1992 Sep;56(3):573-8.

2 Egli I, Davidsson L, Zeder C, Walczyk T, Hurrell R. "Dephytinization of a complementary food based on wheat and soy increases zinc, but not copper, apparent absorption in adults." J Nutr. 2004 May;134(5):1077-80.
3 Miyagi Y, Shinjo S, Nishida R, Miyagi C, Takamatsu, Yamamoto T, Yamamoto S.," Trypsin inhibitor activity in commercial soybean products in Japan." J Nutr Sci Vitaminol 1997 Oct:43(5):575-80

4 "AHA Science Advisory: Soy protein and cardiovascular disease: A statement for healthcare professionals from the Nutrition Committee of the AHA." Circulation. 2000 Nov 14;102(20):2555-9.

5 Divi RL, Chang HC, Doerge DR. "Anti-thyroid isoflavones from soybean: isolation, characterization, and mechanisms of action." Biochem Pharmacol. 1997 Nov 15;54(10):1087-96.

6 Doerge DR, Sheehan DM. "Goitrogenic and estrogenic activity of soy isoflavones."
Environ Health Perspect. 2002 Jun;110 Suppl 3:349-53.

7 Fort P, Moses N, Fasano M, Goldberg T, Lifshitz F. "Breast and soy-formula feedings in early infancy and the prevalence of autoimmune thyroid disease in children."J American Coll Nutr, 1990 Apr; 9(2):164-7

8 Merritt RJ, Jenks BH. "Safety of soy-based infant formulas containing isoflavones: the clinical evidence."
J Nutr. 2004 May;134(5):1220S-1224S.

Ariel Policano is a naturopathic physician. Naturopathic physicians are trained medical professionals. The cornerstone of their philosophy is that the body has an innate healing capacity that can best be supported by changes in diet and lifestyle. In the opinion of Dr. Policano, a balanced, diverse vegan diet is one of the best ways to bring about optimum health. Vegan diets generally cause the least allergic reactions in the body and, subsequently, cause little or no inflammation in the body. Inflammation and immune reactions to food are now being associated with health issues like allergies, fatigue, heart disease, asthma, and chronic indigestion. Dr. Policano has a private practice in Portland, Oregon and can be contacted at (503) 287-2277.
 
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