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Southern States Outlaw Syringe Exchanges Used to Prevent Disease

Sincere respect to the guy living with HIV/Hep C in NC who goes out of his way to try to ensure (hopefully) no one in the area suffers his fate.

Re. Needle Exchange Programs in the South - Christianity and science have never mixed well. The first scientists - from what I understand - lived in constant fear as they were actually executed by the catholic church for... I forget, but it's ridiculous either way (I think they considered it blasphemy).

IMO, the Bible Belt unfortunately will be - by far - the toughest nut to crack in terms of any type of reform. They can be a stubborn bunch. I also believe that racism is presently still highest in that area of the US (my point is, old habits seem to die harder there when compared to other parts of mainland USA).

Sadly, this is what nearly a century of prohibition and propaganda has done to the mentality of the average American. There is still so much animosity towards those who choose to use illegal drugs.

I think if CNN was to do a survery (more specifically, an opinion poll) as to whether Americans think that drug users (not dealers) should either go to prison, or receive medical treatment; I'm willing to bet the vast majority will vote for a prison term.

Thankfully, we have made progress (especially over the past few years) in trying to break the taboo or stigma of drug use. That being said, after nearly a century of nutty-brown bullshit regarding drug (ab)use that's been crammed into our subconscious, I think it's gonna take years to get the general public to start accepting addiction as a medical condition rather than a crime.



Let's try to focus on solving one issue at a time. I understand that seeing used needles anywhere in public may be disgusting. I've come across plenty of them and it's not something I'd want my child picking up out of curiosity while we're going for a walk. Be that as it may, littering is an enormous problem which is not limited to IV users, but rather everyone. Therefore, IMO, it would be more appropriate to leave that alone for now and focus on trying to stop the spread of HIV, Hepatitis C and so forth.

I'm merely making the point that the people really at risk of contracting diseases are the IV drug users themselves, The chances are very slim of contracting HepC/HIV from a needlestick, even if the needle has infected blood in it....
 
You should cite statistics when making statements like that.

Also, medical workers and cops do get needle stick injuries and can contract the diseases as well.
 
Not that the people who legislated this are in any position of intellectual authority, but to play devils advocate, perhaps in some satistic twisted way they think this will reduce the number of iv drug users by killing them off via trasmitted diseases, or scaring them from using needles.

While logically they may be right, i see it as euphamized eugenics, and quite disgusting if that is their intentions. They could just be so stupid that they think reducing acess to clean needles reduces drug usage as well. I'm not going to try very hard to get into their heads, its prob a mess all up in there.
 
Wow what an amazing post. Its a shame that the south has taken such a hostile attitude towards a concept that can bring cleanliness and health to so many.

I only hope that this most unfortunate fallacy will not thwart users from making sure to use sterile equipment each and every time they inject   = 쏺㔏哬

-Spooky Snacks
 
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Lets make little tiny thin pieces of metal illegal.

That's progressive thinking.
 
I once read a really good article about some of the pioneers of early needle exchange problems (70's or early 80's) who did their thing in NYC. Great read, now if only I could find it. I'd like to, not just on literary merits, but because it's amazing - or maybe not that amazing - how little things have changed. Well, I guess some thing have changed, but some of the most egregious have more or less stayed the same. How does the Twain quote go (or was it someone else), "History might not repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme."
 
Lets make little tiny thin pieces of metal illegal.

That's progressive thinking.

Hahaha, I know right? You can buy tobacco, alcohol, guns, but not needles.

Well, I mean, I can buy needles, because I'm special. %)
 
^Fuck that! I'm special too! even in Nebraska of all places, I'm still specccial!
 
Another reason I have to move out of Georgia! I don't use needles anymore, but what
f when I grow older and my child comes home with a dirty needle in their hand asking what is this ? No thanks....
 
Hippie Kitchen exchange site??

I'm so glad I live in Los Angeles, where there are needle exchanges operating legally. There are also local laws that dictate cops can't stake out a needle exchange to bust you!
When I lived in LA from 2000-2002, one of the main sites I went to to exchange needles was the one that was inside this really cool place known as the "hippie kitchen" - started by some older hippie-types, the needle exchange is -or at least when I was there it was-on Thursdays. You went up these stairs and a group from Homeless Healthcare LA would be giving bags of 12 outfits out to people who brought even as little as one used needle plus, in the bag you'd also get an assortment of items - some condoms, cotton, a little cooker, even these plastic containers of clean water, about 4 or 5 in one packet, you broke them apart on the side to get to an individual one, then you'd just put your needle in the top of the water holder and pull it out to get to it - pretty cool! And - yes, you're right - when you 1st went to that place or any LA needle exchange you'd be given this little business card sized card that had their info on it and maybe a certain id # or something (but you didn't have to put your name on anything) but since possessing paraphernalia is a misdemeanor, you were safe from any hassles with the LAPD, say, when you were taking your bag of clean rigs back to your place, or wherever and if you got stopped by the cops and had the needles, etc on you, you just had to show this card to them and 99% of them, I'm sure, wouldn't hassle you further, but any pig types that did give you a ticket or whatever - it didn't matter since these cards were negotiated w/the LA DA's office, so, if you ended up w/a paraphernalia ticket, any charge would be dropped by the DA's office. But - of course, these cards didn't extend to getting busted for drug possession, unfortunately! Anyway - this "hippie Kitchen" was a really nicely kept oasis right in the middle of the skid row area east of Los Angeles Ave to Alameda and between about 4th St and 7th or 9th sts. It was fenced in and either every day at lunch or on certain days they'd serve stuff like soups, bread and stuff to homeless people and people could just hang out in its peaceful little enclave, which seemed worlds away from the slum right outside the fences. I was also able to receive free vouchers (since I had no insurance at the time) to be able to get on 21-day methadone detoxes - which, of course, never worked, but they were good when you were stone broke and had no means of cash for a time - but after two or 3 of those, I talked to a guy there who told me about this treatment place in Pomona, CA (still LA county) that had this detox facility and while the adjacent treatment facility was a plush, posh expensive, but nice, long-term treatment place, there was an isolated "hospital"-style facility where you'd go to get clean from heroin, opiates/opioids and they even treated alcoholics, but with a different regimen than the opiate ones...I was able to get into the detox facility two different times - it worked 1st time for 3 months, but I slipped back & after another seven month run I went back and stayed clean for a year 1/2, then slipped again and since that last slip went on methadone maintenance & that was 9 years ago come Feb. 2013. Anyway, the detox was free for homeless - you had to 1st go to the homeless health care LA office and do some paperwork & sometimes there'd be a little waiting period, but I never had to wait very long. But I was stunned to be able to get there for free! When you get in, they right away (after initial intake BS) start you on this medication - a cup full of pills - the most important one was the clonidine (a blood pressure lowering pill) -they would not let any pts take any meds that were addicting -like benzos, opiates (pain killers, etc) or anything - even if they were prescribed! But the clonidine (4 of them for the 1st four or 5 days,) 4 times a day along with Flexaril, Vistaril, a multi-vitamin and maybe a Tylenol or something. Anyway, the clonidines were so strong that (and this was the idea) they'd put you out, so you would basically sleep pretty much through the first 4 days or so- you wouldn't go through the worst of the withdrawals -you'd be so doped up from the clonidine, etc that you'd be in bed, only to wake up to eat the plates of food they'd bring you. Then, once you came out of your stupor, you'd join the rest in the cafeteria to eat, participate in structured groups, etc. It was a very good way to get clean and by the time I left there I felt so good for the first time in a LONG time - colors were brighter, my head was clear, everything was more noticeable, etc. I'd recommend that to anyone who really wants to get clean but doesn't want to do the methadone thing. Unfortunately, though, like I said, I slipped up again and, because I would, I'm sure, keep going back to dope, I went on a maintenance methadone program, where I still am and I am doing great - haven't been on heroin in 9 years! No cravings, nothing - it keeps me well and I don't get all messed up. The only thing lacking from my life right now is any kind of structure. I'm on social security for depression and anxiety - really debilitating for me -especially the anxiety -so much so that I can't be around the people I'd need to be to work - plus my agitation level is too short-fused and I'd snap easily, even though my anxiety meds help.
 
I just wish our government would spend more time looking after those fighting the disease of addiction and less time trying to populate prisons
 
And that's why we will see the HIV and HEP C percentage higher in the southern states, good job republicans...
 
I just wish our government would spend more time looking after those fighting the disease of addiction and less time trying to populate prisons

Welcome to capitalism. More criminals means more prisons need to be built. Which means more jobs/money for contractors and correctional officers (among other parties). The prison industry in the US is a huge cash cow due to the way it's run.
 
Welcome to Bluelight indiereviewer. You should break up future lengthy posts into paragraphs or the spam shield will interpret them as spam and make them invisible. I had to override it for the following:

When I lived in LA from 2000-2002, one of the main sites I went to to exchange needles was the one that was inside this really cool place known as the "hippie kitchen" - started by some older hippie-types, the needle exchange is -or at least when I was there it was-on Thursdays. You went up these stairs and a group from Homeless Healthcare LA would be giving bags of 12 outfits out to people who brought even as little as one used needle plus, in the bag you'd also get an assortment of items - some condoms, cotton, a little cooker, even these plastic containers of clean water, about 4 or 5 in one packet, you broke them apart on the side to get to an individual one, then you'd just put your needle in the top of the water holder and pull it out to get to it - pretty cool! And - yes, you're right - when you 1st went to that place or any LA needle exchange you'd be given this little business card sized card that had their info on it and maybe a certain id # or something (but you didn't have to put your name on anything) but since possessing paraphernalia is a misdemeanor, you were safe from any hassles with the LAPD, say, when you were taking your bag of clean rigs back to your place, or wherever and if you got stopped by the cops and had the needles, etc on you, you just had to show this card to them and 99% of them, I'm sure, wouldn't hassle you further, but any pig types that did give you a ticket or whatever - it didn't matter since these cards were negotiated w/the LA DA's office, so, if you ended up w/a paraphernalia ticket, any charge would be dropped by the DA's office. But - of course, these cards didn't extend to getting busted for drug possession, unfortunately! Anyway - this "hippie Kitchen" was a really nicely kept oasis right in the middle of the skid row area east of Los Angeles Ave to Alameda and between about 4th St and 7th or 9th sts. It was fenced in and either every day at lunch or on certain days they'd serve stuff like soups, bread and stuff to homeless people and people could just hang out in its peaceful little enclave, which seemed worlds away from the slum right outside the fences. I was also able to receive free vouchers (since I had no insurance at the time) to be able to get on 21-day methadone detoxes - which, of course, never worked, but they were good when you were stone broke and had no means of cash for a time - but after two or 3 of those, I talked to a guy there who told me about this treatment place in Pomona, CA (still LA county) that had this detox facility and while the adjacent treatment facility was a plush, posh expensive, but nice, long-term treatment place, there was an isolated "hospital"-style facility where you'd go to get clean from heroin, opiates/opioids and they even treated alcoholics, but with a different regimen than the opiate ones...I was able to get into the detox facility two different times - it worked 1st time for 3 months, but I slipped back & after another seven month run I went back and stayed clean for a year 1/2, then slipped again and since that last slip went on methadone maintenance & that was 9 years ago come Feb. 2013. Anyway, the detox was free for homeless - you had to 1st go to the homeless health care LA office and do some paperwork & sometimes there'd be a little waiting period, but I never had to wait very long. But I was stunned to be able to get there for free! When you get in, they right away (after initial intake BS) start you on this medication - a cup full of pills - the most important one was the clonidine (a blood pressure lowering pill) -they would not let any pts take any meds that were addicting -like benzos, opiates (pain killers, etc) or anything - even if they were prescribed! But the clonidine (4 of them for the 1st four or 5 days,) 4 times a day along with Flexaril, Vistaril, a multi-vitamin and maybe a Tylenol or something. Anyway, the clonidines were so strong that (and this was the idea) they'd put you out, so you would basically sleep pretty much through the first 4 days or so- you wouldn't go through the worst of the withdrawals -you'd be so doped up from the clonidine, etc that you'd be in bed, only to wake up to eat the plates of food they'd bring you. Then, once you came out of your stupor, you'd join the rest in the cafeteria to eat, participate in structured groups, etc. It was a very good way to get clean and by the time I left there I felt so good for the first time in a LONG time - colors were brighter, my head was clear, everything was more noticeable, etc. I'd recommend that to anyone who really wants to get clean but doesn't want to do the methadone thing. Unfortunately, though, like I said, I slipped up again and, because I would, I'm sure, keep going back to dope, I went on a maintenance methadone program, where I still am and I am doing great - haven't been on heroin in 9 years! No cravings, nothing - it keeps me well and I don't get all messed up. The only thing lacking from my life right now is any kind of structure. I'm on social security for depression and anxiety - really debilitating for me -especially the anxiety -so much so that I can't be around the people I'd need to be to work - plus my agitation level is too short-fused and I'd snap easily, even though my anxiety meds help.
 
hehe, indiereviewer, you remind me of someone named CJ at Dr H's blog over at Heroin Helper :) welcome!
 
Hahaha, I know right? You can buy tobacco, alcohol, guns, but not needles.

Well, I mean, I can buy needles, because I'm special. %)

They should use their brains to buy DECENT needles from medsupply.com alongside micron filters, dermal punches (if their into that scene), alcohol prep pads, neosporin, medical books, decent plungers and 22g needles and an autoclave while they're at it.

Fuck IM tuberculin syringes. I could hit a highway with one of those things.

Pretty soon alchol pads and nitrile gloves are going to be illegal - just you watch.
 
iv no words for the stupidity of this its unbelieveble that a 1st world country can act in such away
 
I am slightly saddened with the thought that, if someone logs onto bluelight, see this article and is interested in commenting on it, reads through the comments, and ends up here. I know you're better than that - I know we're better than this. And, after all, this is only an article posted on BL, let alone about something most people probably never even think about at any time during their lives, no matter how significant it may be.

Anyways, this might be best off closed now, but do what you will. Of course comments are always encouraged, and I appreciate reading all of them. But, lastly, I know we all have better things to do... LOL listen to me talk. Like getting our rest. So on that note... Goodnight.
 
I am slightly saddened with the thought that, if someone logs onto bluelight, see this article and is interested in commenting on it, reads through the comments, and ends up here. I know you're better than that - I know we're better than this. And, after all, this is only an article posted on BL, let alone about something most people probably never even think about at any time during their lives, no matter how significant it may be.

Anyways, this might be best off closed now, but do what you will. Of course comments are always encouraged, and I appreciate reading all of them. But, lastly, I know we all have better things to do... LOL listen to me talk. Like getting our rest. So on that note... Goodnight.

All right, I hid like 20 off-topic posts. Only because the Front Page links to this. I also think this topic (regional needle-exchange persecution) is vitally important and needs continual exposure.
 
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