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Sorrow From Meditation

juniorcat

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I have been meditating again lately. I have meditated on and off in my life for several years. The first time I got seriously into meditation I felt very intense feelings of fear or of sorrow, which would come randomly and not necessarily during meditation.

Over the last few days I have had this overwhelmingly intense feeling of sorrow. I gander around the house sadly, wondering what to do with myself.

Could this really be related to meditation or am I suffering depression? These feelings are very intense and I am wondering if they are related to some sort of spiritual emergence I may be going through. In the past when I started heavily meditating I found that when I relaxed into the strong feelings of fear, I felt the utmost peace and love. With these feelings however, I am unsure what to do.

Please, if anyone has any idea what is happening to me, help me.
 
Contrary to popular opinion, sorrow, even of the most intense variety, needn't be viewed as a pathological nor maladaptive state of mind.

What is your preferred definition of the word 'meditation?' To me, 'meditation' consists principally of sitting comfortably, breathing deeply (optional), and thinking about stuff.

What's been on your mind lately, during meditation and otherwise? Are you currently going through a particularly stressful, lonely, or otherwise miserable time? What motivated you take up meditation after (what I assume to be) a prolonged hiatus? Without knowing more about your life circumstances, it could be very difficult indeed to get at the root causes of your suffering; and, as with anyone complaining of mental strife, I'm certain that there's more to your story than what you've just mentioned.

As for whether your feelings of melancholy could possibly be related to your renewed contemplative pursuits: Sure. I've experienced the full gamut of extreme emotions whilst musing to myself in solitary repose. I think that this constitutes a perfectly normal reaction to sincere mental effort of that kind. At present and without knowing the first thing about you, I perceive no reason why you should be any different.
 
know one can tell what is happening to you...

but

if you wish to try chakra work, the most I can feel comfortable suggesting is to reflect upon what emotions instigate the feelings which direct thoughts into the gutter, so to speak.

It seems most often, that there is be a build up in the Solar Plexus Chakra, because of a blockage in the Heart Chakra, not allowing those emotions to pass to the Throat and Crown, effectively disabling your ability to process these feelings into a the optimal sense of communication and cognition the Throat(communicate) and Crown(cognitive intellect) are responsible for.

What would I do?

Personally, I would get into my zone, and play sound progressing from around 126 hz(Malkuth/Solar), 432 / 528 (Hart/Throat), then 936 which is the Crown, and acupuncture for starts.

There rare many songs we hear, that can make us uncomfortable, arousing negative emotions. The cause of this could be the vibration frequency of the sound, matched with the relating hyper active charka. If there is blockage; reservations from the past relating to the chakra region, those will be brought up, creating a 'post trauma recall'. These emotions are fleeting, they have been kept kindled and when aroused will begin to flare up, catch flame and the fire of that negativity rises as heat does, attempting to pass through the chakra but an altered oscillation from hypo/hyper activity will obstruct this occurrence. There is actual heat, and there can be a great deal of it, pranayama and lime juice with water is helpful for this, aka 'fire breath'.

This is how we mature, and why in my opinion drug usage is thought to be the cause of stunted emotional development for individuals at which ever age they start using.The solar plexus is responsible for harboring and directing our passions, finding an outlet for built up energy of that region, such as sex drugs and rock and roll...the natural release is not learned.
 
suffering, sorrow and dissatisfaction, are such an integral part of human nature. i wonder if your meditation practice is simply helping you to notice and be more mindful of your own suffering. i always like to think of meditation practice as a trope for living life - that is to say: when you meditate and thoughts come along, you acknowledge them, let them pass, and return to your practice. so when negative feelings come along, acknowledge them and let them pass, but don't fight them or worry about them, they're normal. maybe some kind of personal mantra might help to anchor you?
 
One thing I have learned about the 'spiritual path', and even just life in general, is that if you are seeking significant change, you will go through a period of internal chaos. One does not go from point a to point c without some sort of repurcussion. Think of it as cheating on your homework in secondary school. Sure copying a homework assignment saves time and effort, but mentally skipping that assignment will make advancing more difficult. When you complete the assignment adequately yourself, you face each challenge. Nothing is overlooked. No answer left blank without a struggle. When you experience life for what it is, and your desires for what they are, you are going to be disenchanted at times. Life is not all beer and skittles. In order to experience the spiritual growth you desire, you must grow. In order to grow, you must face challenges.

For me personally, I know that one problem I encountered while delving into the spiritual path was when I read that many spiritual gurus suggest to ask yourself, "Who am I?" repeatedly. While asking myself this, I kept getting the answer, "a drug addict"—over and over again. This clearly was not the answer I desired, so I kept searching within myself, and found that at that particular moment in time, that was it. I had no other immediate answer. I had nothing else to tie my existence to. I was a sum of my actions, and my actions were using drugs. After that realization, I felt miserable. This was comparable to the type of misery one experiences while going through the grieving of the death of someone dear to them. Afterall, I was grieving over the death of someone dear to me. I had been dead for a while—a long while. When this realization hit, although it was no surprise, experiencing it on a spiritual level intensified it tenfold. I soon found myself feeling completely atrocious, until finally I became so discontent with my life situation, that I started to make changes. I suppose what I am getting at is that meditation and the spiritual path in general bring forth a multitude of cognizance. When we go through the transition period when we get used to "just being", we will often find that we are very discontent with something in our lives. We will then frequently begin to meditate more—as if to find some magical way to shut off all we are discontent with. The truth is, there is no magical way to shut off everything until we address it. If we feel uncomfortable in silence, it is probably because we feel uncomfortable in general. If we feel uncomfortable in general, the only way to address that is to awknowledge the source of discomfort. It is quite common for the individual to feel as though meditation is supposed to leave us with such a profoundly positive response, that when we do not feel initially feel that, we feel as though something is wrong. We then begin to wonder what it is that is wrong with us, and why we were not receptive to such a method. The truth is, meditation provides assistance, not complete alleviation. I strongly encourage you to honestly ask yourself what it is you expected from meditation. It is highly possible that your expectations of the immediate outcome were too high. Western culture tends to look for a quick fix for everything. If you were looking for meditation to do the footwork for you, you will continue to be disappointed.
 
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I'm going to be honest I didn't take all the time to read your "Eastern" post but I can tell OP one thing for sure and that is meditation isn't god nor is it something that you should stick with if its giving you negative effects and you want to stop. Meditation occasionally backfires on people; this has happened to me. If you want more details I'd be all too happy.
 
Meditation isn't about thinking, it's about sitting quietly and just observing what's going on, sounds, sensations, emotions, thoughts, all these things can just be watched, meditation is supposed to be like dancing or music, you do it for the pure enjoyment of doing it, there is not supposed to be a point to it.

You don't dance with the intention of arriving at a particular spot on the dance floor.

If you are thinking about stuff that is not meditating imo.
 
One thing I have learned about the 'spiritual path', and even just life in general, is that if you are seeking significant change, you will go through a period of internal chaos. One does not go from point a to point c without some sort of repurcussion. Think of it as cheating on your homework in secondary school. Sure copying a homework assignment saves time and effort, but mentally skipping that assignment will make advancing more difficult. When you complete the assignment adequately yourself, you face each challenge. Nothing is overlooked. No answer left blank without a struggle. When you experience life for what it is, and your desires for what they are, you are going to be disenchanted at times. Life is not all beer and skittles. In order to experience the spiritual growth you desire, you must grow. In order to grow, you must face challenges.

For me personally, I know that one problem I encountered while delving into the spiritual path was when I read that many spiritual gurus suggest to ask yourself, "Who am I?" repeatedly. While asking myself this, I kept getting the answer, "a drug addict"—over and over again. This clearly was not the answer I desired, so I kept searching within myself, and found that at that particular moment in time, that was it. I had no other immediate answer. I had nothing else to tie my existence to. I was a sum of my actions, and my actions were using drugs. After that realization, I felt miserable. This was comparable to the type of misery one experiences while going through the grieving of the death of someone dear to them. Afterall, I was grieving over the death of someone dear to me. I had been dead for a while—a long while. When this realization hit, although it was no surprise, experiencing it on a spiritual level intensified it tenfold. I soon found myself feeling completely atrocious, until finally I became so discontent with my life situation, that I started to make changes. I suppose what I am getting at is that meditation and the spiritual path in general bring forth a multitude of cognizance. When we go through the transition period when we get used to "just being", we will often find that we are very discontent with something in our lives. We will then frequently begin to meditate more—as if to find some magical way to shut off all we are discontent with. The truth is, there is no magical way to shut off everything until we address it. If we feel uncomfortable in silence, it is probably because we feel uncomfortable in general. If we feel uncomfortable in general, the only way to address that is to awknowledge the source of discomfort. It is quite common for the individual to feel as though meditation is supposed to leave us with such a profoundly positive response, that when we do not feel initially feel that, we feel as though something is wrong. We then begin to wonder what it is that is wrong with us, and why we were not receptive to such a method. The truth is, meditation provides assistance, not complete alleviation. I strongly encourage you to honestly ask yourself what it is you expected from meditation. It is highly possible that your expectations of the immediate outcome were too high. Western culture tends to look for a quick fix for everything. If you were looking for meditation to do the footwork for you, you will continue to be disappointed.

I very much agree with SideOrderofOpiates.

Sometimes meditation serves little more than a way to temporarily relax and escape the world, but when our issues come with us to the mat and when we take mindfulness into our lives off the mat, we're bound to run into some difficulties. I read on-line recently that everyone who goes far enough on "the path" will inevitably go through periods of discomfort, sorrow, despair, frustration, etc.. When these arise in our practice, we can avoid mindfulness and self-inquiry, but if we want to grow, we need to "go through the darkness." The sorrow doesn't mean meditation isn't working; it likely means that you're experiencing some dissatisfaction with the way you see things. It can be hard to welcome this darkness into our lives, as it is sometimes very painful, but if we realize that in order to find ourselves we must confront our conditiones selves, then enduring the pain becomes somewhat easier.

I read that doing certain mind training requires a "fearless determination to uproot conditioning and to remain in attention in the face of reactive conditioning. Not doing so can lead to emotional problems." So if you can find the determination to go through this darkness, it becomes a little bit easier.

Try meditating on impermanence and realize that these emotions are temporary and will pass. For me, it often helps to do some compassion meditation or tonglen before doing insight practice. This gives me the courage to remain in attention, to "stand in the fear," knowing that doing so will plant seeds for our future happiness.

Also, if you can't pinpoint why you're feeling the sorrow, try having chats with your internal therapist. Ask yourself what's on your mind, what cares, desires, fears, etc. you have. What's been going on in life recently? I find that having these chats can help me pinpoint subtle things I'm hung up on but don't consciously realize.

Look into the dark night of the soul, spiritual crisis, spiritual depression (all the same things). These phenomena are a natural part of awakening, and there's lots of good information out there for helping you get through the dark periods. My advice would be to have compassion for yourself and to as much as possible identify with the objective observer inside.

I'm on the tail-end of a dark night; PM me if you think you're going through one. I have lots of suggestions for how to get out. It will take some work, but the efforts worth it if you stick to it.

One last thing: you're likely near a so-called point-of-no-return. If you are going through a dark night, there's a point after which it's highly advised to stick with your meditation practice for life. Some people quit because it gets hard, and they're cast off into the dark night, in a life-long sort of limbo.

Good luck, try to find a teacher or some spiritual friends to give you encouragement when you need it.
 
Meditation isn't about thinking, it's about sitting quietly and just observing what's going on, sounds, sensations, emotions, thoughts, all these things can just be watched, meditation is supposed to be like dancing or music, you do it for the pure enjoyment of doing it, there is not supposed to be a point to it.

You don't dance with the intention of arriving at a particular spot on the dance floor.

If you are thinking about stuff that is not meditating imo.

for you that is a practice of meditation, most often for myself i stop thoughts and attempt to disassociate from the psychical senses of touch, taste, smell, climate/thermal, digestion and metabolism, energy ...

writing is my favored means of attempting to appreciate and explore a specific point of observation, be it mental physical or spiritual.

besides meditation as creative outlet, or many health reasons, connecting with the spirit to maybe free-up and explore the layers of cosmic-consciousness available has its own personal benefits.
 
You're probably bringing out past hurt that hasn't been processed yet. Recognize it, and then let it go.
 
Your question seems medical. If you believe its a direct result from meditation, that's a very specific problem that seems like it can't be helped by a doctor, however.

I cant help you with this as I have little experience with what you're talking about unfortunately, and it seems very odd to me only in that the meditation Ive done was satisfying. Ive also done lots of drugs that were satisfying as well. You may wanna stop meditating and start doing narcotics.
 
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I tried some years ago to meditate every day for a few weeks and I also felt anxiety, sadness and a constant fear.
A psychiatrist I spoke to said that meditation is more suited for eastern oriental minds and not for the western man.
 
... what gets my goat to gab, is how at almost every other block there is a church people can pray in, for free, but if they wanted to meditate with a group of people that costs money.

Many parishioners choose to give monetary support to their church.
And I have never been turned away from a meditation group due to lack of funds. A suggested donation box is common at the meditation centers I have visited. A $5 donation is appreciated, but never required. I would suggest contacting another group if you feel pressured to give money.
 
Just a wi, tiny update. I've stopped meditating and started doing tai chi. I've found that breathing with the graceful movements of the yang form is more beneficial and I am becoming relaxed. The sorrow is barely here now and nor is the fear.
 
When someone says 'meditation' these days there's 101 things they could be refering to, everyone has their own definition and people do different practices under that one name. There's two types of meditation.. one that leads to pleasure, and one that leads to answers (involves pain). If you want to feel peaceful then chanting a mantra or TM meditation is a good avenue to explore. But if you want answers then that's when you begin what I consider 'real' meditation.. that can involve pain/sorrow as you begin to unwind the ball of yarn that is "you", as you come to realizations about yourself and let go of various false ego's.

Real meditation leads to confrontation of the mind. And it is very painful to realize that what you consider to be "you" is completely false, hollow, unreal. If you follow it through to the conclusion (Enlightenment) then there is tremendous pain.. allowing yourself to die is very traumatic.

It depends on what you want though. Do you want peace of mind.. or do you want the Truth?
 
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