Some crack queries

[Harambulus]

Skip to the 'queries' but if you don't wanna read the preamble/ ramble

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I think my favourite high to date has been mixing high grade fishscale coke with some weed.

Usually I hate the paranoia of weed/the comedown of coke alone but I found the two produced a synergistic effect which seemed to cancel out the paranoia of both sides leaving me 'comfortably numb' and high; I'd call it like 'floating on a cloud'.

Now the ROA for both was unsatisfactory which is the main reason I didn't like doing either. Smoking anything I feel like I am suffocating slightly causing it to ruin my high and snorting as people will know is also very shitty even after a line or two I'd hate it.

Now I recently tried vaporizing methiopropamine and I really enjoyed that ROA. The comedown was absolute shit and dirty like any amphetamine I've had but that is beside the point here, though is related to and the reason for this current inquiry. :D. Besides the 'coke nose' I always considered cocaine the 'rolls royce' of clean highs and smooth comedown (so long as you can chase off that paranoia! :D which the weed seemed to do). I fully see why they call it 'rich man's speed'.

Having tried vaping and liking it I have become interested in what smoking crack is like as an ROA. I tried it once after nagging a friend to let me try it (which he did under the presence that it was better I tried it with him than anyone else) but we only did a couple of small 10 pound rocks which were total shit.

I am presuming the quality of the high is dependent on the quality of the drug like anything else.

I really enjoyed this coke/weed combo and the negative effects felt from both on the comedown in my experience have only ever been from shit associated with given ROAs. This is why I'm wondering if vaping both would get rid of those deleterious effects whilst maintaining that superior high. I was intrigued after watching a vaping video on weed which said that vaping it gets rid of that 'heavy body load' feeling cos that is just your body trying to fight off the fact you just threw something carcinogenic into it. This was interesting to me as that is certainly what it 'felt like' from my exp.

As such I was thinking I'd have to smoke the coke and as such in the 'crack' form.

I wouldn't bother with any old crappy rock from some yardie off the st. I'd hold out and get some high grade flaky and cook it up myself.

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So, my queries

Is it particularly more 'dangerous' to smoke crack than snorting it?

I have tried it once so have some idea what it entails but like I say it was shitty stuff I think cos I barely felt anything- it was worse than even one line of decent coke.

How much more 'fiendish' would it be? Hoe much more than snorting coke/taking mephedrone as I tried both of those.

How long do the effects last compared to snorted provided I was cooking up some good quality stuff for myself?

So when 'smoking' crack is it, like meth, actually vaping it rather than smoking it?


This is purely hypothetical for now and not something I'd plan to do for a while mainly due to me being broke but I am intrigued such that should it seem feasible and worth it i.e not too risky, then I'd give it a go when I had the money and the sources for some good grade coke. But I am broke and see myself being so for a while lol, and have no source for coke but like usual I am a curious monkey (which is always how it starts) but I'd back away from this if I saw any serious potential risks to it *facepalm*.

Feel free to give me the 'bad'/scare stories of smoking crack as I'd happily back off from it given good reason it's just I wouldn't wanna do it for fallacious propoganga type reasons. I do treat oral hygiene very highly so that is something that's put a question mark on it for me. Unlike meth which they say it's the bad hygeine/neglect that causes the degradation I read that smoking crack actually destroys the enamel but I dunno how much of an issue that it would be for a now and then thing?

 

[sekio]

So when 'smoking' crack is it, like meth, actually vaping it rather than smoking it?

Yup. Bang on. It hits faster and stronger, and is consequently more addictive...

 

[Harambulus]

I briefly knew this serious drug fiend but the raver kind who ran free parties. He told me in an offhand comment that part of his nose had fallen out when I was complaining about not wanting to snort coke. He was apparently saying it to 'encourage' me not to be worried, lolz >_<.

Anyhow he said he had been smoking crack for years and when asking him about the addiction potential he just shrugged and said 'it doesn't last long enough' like it was no big deal. Then again, he said he had been smoking it for several years :D.

That guy was a wreck. We went into the bathroom stall and he railed like half a gram of ketamine in one line without even blinking *shudder*. This was about the time I left him to get on with his eve. I saw him later staggering around mumbling jibberish.

 

[socio]

I have tried it once so have some idea what it entails but like I say it was shitty stuff I think cos I barely felt anything- it was worse than even one line of decent coke.

When people have this experience I think the problem is at least as likely to have been the pipe.

If it was even shit crack you should've felt something qualitatively different from even a big line of high quality powder snorted.

To answer yer question, kinda: it's a different, more powerful high. Yes, more compulsive, at least within a single binge (more re-dosing, longer, more money per binge, on average)..

 

[Harambulus]

Ok, so say for instance I bought a G of good quality coke and cooked it up...

Considering my tolerance would be low (not sure how much that factors into coke) how long would that last?

I.e. how much substance is 'average' per 'hit'?

If I did do it I would only plan on doing it now and then as a treat if a gram would last me a day I'd be good with that.

I mean even a couple hours with residual stimulation then tail it off nicely with booze and weed that would be cool. I precisely don't like long highs anyhow. I prefer a quick blast and be good the next day.

As I recall with good coke a gram would prob last me one evening between two.

Also to add it was coke can in a park style with the pipe.

1st round was with a coke can and second was smoking a rollup with the rocks in. 1st was prob a better hit than second IIRC.

Can you just 'chase' it off foil with a pen to suck it up? I liked that method with my recent mpa experiment.

 

[Jerusalem]

How much more 'fiendish' would it be? Hoe much more than snorting coke/taking mephedrone as I tried both of those.

How long do the effects last compared to snorted provided I was cooking up some good quality stuff for myself?

It's 'Fiendish', much more than snorting. It is extremely rare to find a guy that can keep a session short and under control - don't be a hero and think you can be one of those guys.

The first and second hits, will produce a special euphoric high, lasting a very short time (minutes, not hours). Anything after that will (mostly) feel like firing empty bullet shells Even so, you'd probably keep hitting it, until you run out (of rocks, money, or access) or until you pass out, or until you decide to end the session by eating some benzos + sleep aid, or opiates. (if you don't have any such candy to eat, but still have access to crack, your only hope of ending the session well is passing out, which will probably only happen if you haven't slept in 24+ and it's been a good hour since your last hit)

So why do folks keep hitting it after the initial 2-3 hits?

1. it satisfies/relaxes some mini crave (its quite small, compared to other drugs..)

2. chase of the initial high, which is probably impossible to reproduce in the same session. You can, however, produce what folks call a 'bell ringer', even deep into a session (with a good hit and a perfected technique) but those 'bell ringers' include no euphoria or high to speak of, but instead just a really big rush, an 'umph', like a "small overdose" (I'm sure folks won't agree with the term, as many people like 'bell ringers' and chase them a lot... I hate them, but I used to chase 'em nonetheless)

3. It's the Ritual, dummy! Adjusting your pipe/chore, sizing your rocks, perfecting your vaporization, your intakes, hold ins, the taste, playing chicken with the paranoia.. etc. I'm sure other folks can name a few more..

p.s. I miss crack so very much

 

[Harambulus]

Hmm, so no real gains at all after the first bigboy?

I think I'd just take two nice big hits and enjoy the weed and booze after then .

I know what feindishness is like though since taking mephedrone more recently but also the first batch of the really good coke I had.

I recall on that good stuff it was so nice I couldn't sleep all night with excitement to hit it again so got up at 8 am and started chalking lines till my nose was bleeding and it wouldn't work. I then pulled the ripchord and threw the rest away.

It is so horrible to lose your rationality chasing something like that ime .

I like to think I have more self control these days but when I'd take big hits of mephedrone several times I was on the precipice of doing stupid stuff like buying huge amounts then stopping myself at the last minute as I was coming down and thinking wtf. I think that is more to do with it being also a serotonin agonist which I dislike in general; including MDMA. I always feel more 'in control' on dopamine based drugs- even if some of that is delusional; heh.

If crack is like that then that would put me off now I think about it. Maybe having safeguards before a binge? I could see how perilous it would be if you had a callous dealer just a phonecall away.

 

[socio]

Ok, so say for instance I bought a G of good quality coke and cooked it up... Considering my tolerance would be low (not sure how much that factors into coke) how long would that last?.

For a low-average tolerance, 16 hits per gram is probably stretching it, depending on the quality of the raw materials and your skill at cooking (if you just try to guess at how, you'll fail most of the time; you usually need to watch someone do it). Even with a low tolerance, if you're doing it alone and if you cook it all up at once then 1 gram can go fast. as fast as 1-2 hours if you're not careful.

If you cook in small batches, take some time to engage in other activities, and/or split the gram with someone else fairly new to it (i.e. someone who isn't already using several times a week or comitting crimes to go on binges) you might stretch it out a few hours. The social "setting" has as much to do with it as crack itself or your own personal psychology. Be careful if you don't have unlimited money and sympathy from friends/family/etc.

 

[Harambulus]

Thinking about this more I have a friend who seemed to be a successful 'chipper'. He was even dealing the stuff and he would say how he would have a few toots of a night if the mood took him then leave it alone like it was no big deal.

Now I'm sure he is in the minority but it must be at least possible to do that if he did it.

I think his rationale to me was that he had too many responsibilities to go silly on it (plus weed was always his thing) so it wasn't an issue.