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Social Climbers

Cyc

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I was thinking about this the other day, and thought I'd share.

We all remember from high school, the fickle social hierarchy and quest for acceptance. Now if you're like me, and thought that the games and politics are something that people left behind in high school, you might be surprised, depending on the social setting. It turns out that adults can be prone to this behavior too.

I play competitive volleyball, and as I've gotten better at the sport in the past couple of years, I've really started to get an intimate look into the social politics of groups of adults, and how people act when searching for social acceptance in a large group of peers.

I've seen a lot of people come and go during my time playing. Some wash out, others stay out of politics altogether, but many are desperately looking for friends and acceptance, and it's a little like an anthropological experiment, to see them try to climb the rungs of the social ladder. I've broken it down into 5 distinct phases.

1.) Scan: Who seems well liked? Who is outgoing? Who is attractive? Who looks friendly? A social climber must be keenly aware of his/her surroundings.

2.) Meet: New people will generally be open to meeting just about anyone. They take this opportunity to suss out their quarry. The interaction is 90% body language, and 10% content. Confidence and social aptitude are measured during this critical first encounter.

3.) Scrutinize: Depending on the needs of the social climber, they must make quick judgments about people. A wrong move, and a climber might become associated with the wrong person. This is social suicide and must be avoided. It's critical to determine whether it's less less damaging to be seen with a person, or to be seen alone.

4.) Accept or Discard: Acceptance may be temporary. A social climber will take on temporary allies in their pursuit for the friends at the top of the social pyramid. Outright rejection is usually subtle, but results in future avoidance by failure to make eye contact or going out of one's way to engage in future social encounters with the rejectee.

5.) Climb! Once allies are established, the social climber must use them as a base of operations to upgrade their social status. If successful, interactions with current 'friends' will be progressively minimized, as a new tier of friends is achieved. Eventually, prior allies will be phased out completely.

This behavior now has a pathology. Do you know any groups that operate like this? Have you acted like this? Are we all a little bit like this? Feedback appreciated.
 
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Hmmmm.... I have found that my mindset is in direct opposite ( not opposition ) to the social climber mindset. If I know of these kinds of people, I try to gravitate away from them; I find that kind of behavior--in its most extreme form--extremely repulsive.

:)
 
I would re-lable these so-called "Social Climbers." Something more realistic. Like "Sociopathic Opportunists."

~ vaya
 
I agree with this. It happens a lot. Personally, I've never had that many friends. Now that I'm done college, and most of my friends are either done college or near the end of it, everyone seems a bit more mature than that. I hang out with people who I like. I avoid people who I don't like.
But in high school, it was like this. I don't think I avoided people just because of their rep, but who knows, maybe. I avoided people cuz I didn't like them.

It works for some people though. I guess ... if it works, it works! :P
 
Damn Cyc, I didn't think people in Canada were like that.

vaya
I would re-lable these so-called "Social Climbers." Something more realistic. Like "Sociopathic Opportunists."

~ vaya

It's pathological, and I hope and think that most people aren't that bad.
 
I don't consider myself a social climber, but I do like to network with people for work and just to know people I can work with if the time arises. I would also help my friends, if they needed a favor. Most of my networking is online, and I feel fortunate to know some pretty smart and interesting people. I will seek out people I think I can learn from. Is this social climbing? lol I will talk to anyone, though. I don't care, because even some people who seem uninteresting have a story or something interesting to say once in a while.

I will talk to anyone. I don't care what side of town they are from or where they come from, but I do limit my social activities to interesting people. I have a hard time talking to superficial people, but that's it.
 
^i'm kind of the same way. i do make conscious, sometimes strategic, decisions about my social life. i want to do interesting things with interesting people, and don't have the patience for boring/predictable/generic. but i don't feel like it's aimed towards "climbing" some hierarchy. likewise, i've never refused to be friends with someone because they might diminish my social standing - this is definitely what kept me from really being one of the cool kids in high school and college. but on the flipside, i now have interesting friends and a personality. fair trade-off as far as i'm concerned.
 
I'm the same way. I was friends with cool people and social misfits in high school. God, I hated high school. lol Sometimes, the cool kids would go through a mood and outcast me, and the social misfits felt like I was betraying them by hanging out with the cool kids. It was a weird time.

I don't think I'm a social climber. I just like to have cool conversations with interesting people. I think surrounding yourself with interesting, smart people improves yourself, because you just have your own encyclopedic group. :D
 
I find that the best way to deal with social climbers is to let off a really stinky but silent fart when they are talking to somebody they want to climb.
 
have never acted like this. I just socialize with people I see as likeminded...and then socialize with outer circles whenever I see fit...I flow through many circles, but roll with a tight crue of people who think the same most of the time...but most of the time I'm actually a bit of a lone wolf anyways, never done the social climbing trip - I try now though to surround myself with people who are light, and occasionally associate with people a bit lower, and try and help them up in anyway I can.
 
Hmm....interesting topic because its very accurate in describing most of society as a whole........or at least we are taught to stay away from certain people & what not.

In high school, I was on the volleyball team & baseball team but most of the guys on the teams I grew up with since we were in elementary school.......in lunch, I would hang out with my cousin & a few friends that were pot heads (I didnt do any drugs in high school), I never sat & ate with the jocks.

I was friends with various people, from heavy metal rockers with metallica & twisted sister jackets & pins to preppy kids & nerds. I simply didnt care what people thought of me for who I hung out with......maybe its because it never entered my mind. My parents always told me to stay away from drugs & I did in school but it didnt keep me from hanging out with people that did them.

Ime, I was offered great jobs before I even went to college........was offered to do an internship with the F.B.I. as well from a friends dad & declined. Went into the family business instead being out there kissing ass trying to climb that ladder, no thanks.

I cant stand people that suck their way up the social ladder.............
 
I don't think its quite fair to broad brushstroke consider the behavior defined by Cyc as social climbing.

How can you know a person is someone you want to associate with if you haven't had an opportunity to properly 'scrutinize' them?

The process of scanning and meeting isn't necessarily the first step of a diabolical scheme to reach the top of the social hierarchy, perhaps its a prudent and polite way of screening for people you are likely to get along with.

Friendship is a two way street. Many people however are just very draining and have nothing to offer except their problems and bad attitude. As an individual you owe no duty of friendship to people like this, even if you accidentally thought they were down to earth then later realized you were mistaken. You may be forced to 'discard' a few bad apples along the way.

Why is it that step 5 is even necessary? How come there is this lofty clique of 'popular' people who will only cherry-pick friends from established group members who have reached a certain level of status? Probably I think, because this top clique is likely filled with people who never really grew up and continue living an adult life of redundant highschoolery. Memebership of the group is both the reward (and the punishment) of the real social climbers.
 
I am a dance major and this is literally how I live my life everyday. I have chosen to be alone rather than be seen with other people in our department because frankely I am so over the social ladder. Nobody is anybody's true friend, people bond over one another based on similar people they dislike, and each day is essentially just another day to gain popularity and kiss someone's ass. It is truly an ugly sight. My first year of college I naturally fell into the "popular" group of people in the dance department, but it was such hard work keeping up in that social tier that it is so much better just not associating myself with the social aspect of the department. So so so true.
 
I view social interaction as a game. There is a system, and if you understand it and play it right you win.

I always feel disgusted by my actions when I exploit this fact.
 
. I just like to have cool conversations with interesting people. I think surrounding yourself with interesting, smart people improves yourself, because you just have your own encyclopedic group. :D

me too. I'm the same way.
 
We all remember from high school, the fickle social hierarchy and quest for acceptance.

Well you guys wasted your time there, my whole time in high school was based around fucking as much shit up as humanly possible.
 
I agree there are a lot of people like this out there.

Thinking about how I operate..my life is split into different spheres. I have my intimate, family/very good friend sphere. These people I would trust with my life, would do pretty much anything they ask, and would never intentionally do anything to hurt them. These can become weaker over time due for me mainly to physical distance, but every time I see any of these people I am happier than a pig in mud.

I have my friendly acquaintance sphere where I like the people, but I come first. With these people I am usually seeking a mutual goal, and it is sort of a symbiotic give and take/mutual respect that could be potentially slightly imbalanced. We use each other for support and peer comparison in order to socially climb. I would possibly use these people if the gain was great enough, and I know they would do the same to me. Very seldom..years now for me a person in this sphere will join my intimate sphere. This sphere is for me the most like the one you describe, and is kinda sad that it must be this way, but the world is not all teddy bears and roses.

Then I have the sphere of tolerated dislike. This is pretty much what it sounds like lol.

My lowest sphere is the get the fuck away from me sphere. Can't be around these people for extended periods without bad results.
 
I find that the best way to deal with social climbers is to let off a really stinky but silent fart when they are talking to somebody they want to climb.
Finally, some good advice!

Well you guys wasted your time there, my whole time in high school was based around fucking as much shit up as humanly possible.
At least I wasn't the only one that knew how to handle high school!
 
Well, does anybody have a problem with the term "social skills"? I really don't like it. I find it wrecks the real concept that should take place in social interactions. It just doesn't sound right like I use "social skills" to meet people and get them to like me...sounds very manipulative or mechanical. There's no fucking "heart" in it.

Sure, this is semantic as hell, but it is important to "say what you mean so you can mean what you say."
 
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