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So I’m detoxing

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pnillyg

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Doing an ata home detox with a nurse so they switched me from 300mg oxy to 16mg bupe, dropping 2mg per day

They’re not giving me enough benzos but I finally got them to up it to 60 of diazepam cause I was taking 20 diazepam and 1-2mg xanax a day and the were only giving me 30 diazepam a day so I had to get them to up that to 60

I’m thinking to do the detox off subs and the benzos slowly taper after they I’m out of the detox setting

Also they make me stop doing ketamine which is probably a good thing

Anyways, any recommendations?

I’m definitely gonna go back to ketamine afterwards to help me get off the benzos and the gabapentin and the methocarbamol that they have me on.

Just want them to get me off these opiates/buprenorphine and then I can do the rest myself.

They want me to go to outpatient, but there’s just no way because I’ve been. There’s so many times and it never works. I got it myself. I’ve been working out and have good discipline these days. I’m also older so I understand. I’m the consequences.

I just wanna get off these damn subs because as much as they’re helping, I don’t wanna get depending on them

That being sad I’d be open to do a sublicade or brixadi shot. Any recommendations?

My opiate cravings are bad.
 
If this is the direction your going, I would not plan to far ahead regarding what your going to take. What your going through is hard to do by yourself. It truly is a day by day ordeal. There is not safe way out of it, there is no passage below the dungeon. The doctor will say "you have to do your own living" and the pastor will say "sorry son come back later some time after judgement day."

When we get off these drugs without a long-taper and therapy, the brain does not understand. It will continue to crave and crave. When we get off these drugs all the things we have not dealt with come rushing back at all at once. It is kinda like a head full of lies awaits tied to our waists. It is the "instant gratification" and the "justification & rationalization" that breaks drug dependent people down into giving in to cravings.

In order to change we have find a way to download the shit in our brains to make room to upload new information. Taming the character defects we all have inside and that we act out on. When the drugs are removed reality hits hard and from using and taking drugs puts us behind in some many ways -- "coping skills, new perspectives, taming the beast"

Our brains have to learn how to catch up and it takes time. During this difficult time through hell and high water, we have to find a port in the storm to ride it out. If we do not replace the old with the new, the old will always direct us. I would hate to see anyone get off 470MME and lose the battle returning to the horrors of the current street dope situation.

Doing this alone is risky, meaning accepting that we all need help learning how to live again not dependent drugs. It is like not walking for 3 months and trying to walk for the first time. The brain completely forgets how to walk and does not know how to send the proper signals to the legs. The brain goes through the same things when we remove the drugs from our life. Like the computer program has a virus. It takes either professional help (medical field), a sponsor/meetings/working steps, and/or staying out in the open with everything going on. What I am getting at is flying the surrender flag up and then taking it back down only fuels shame and guilt within one's self.

I know this much, if I were to remove myself from from all my prescriptions, I would want to be hospitalized for 2-4 weeks wherever I can to stabilize myself and focus on rebooting my brain. I wish you the best and I hope I helped in some way. What I learned from my NA sponsors is what still works for me 20 years later. It helps me keep myself in check and I understand my character defects better, and I am able to get honest easier. Still to this day, I always remembers that a large percentage of my thinking is fucked up and it needs to be ran by someone else who either has a lot of clean time or has a extended period off prescription drugs.

"The Lion behind the tree" is waiting for the moment we stray off the path. Developing a plans ex. handing over our debt card to someone, only leaving the house with the exact amount of money needed to go from A to B, working some kind of personal program daily, finding a life coach, seeking self-help groups (NA or whatever), deleting any contact information of people that have access to drugs (love them from a distance)... I can go on about this.

I am not trying to sound "cult-ish." I am simply sharing what my sponsor taught me. Like every day I stay clean, get smarter... the addiction & dependence demon gets another day smarter. The more we strive for good the bad in life comes after us that much harder. We will pick up where we left off if we get back on the drugs and the demon will want to make up for lost time. My sponsor used to say "while your in this meeting the disease is outside in the parking lot doing push ups."

The other thing he used to say was "who am I to stand in the way of you getting all the pain you need in order to change" and "when the pain of remaining the same is greater than the pain of change then someone will fully change." Drugs are so tricky to the brain. In a way getting our life back on track, getting some money saved up, getting our car back, etc can all of a sudden trigger "oh I need a reward, I can afford a little binge & I can get right back on track" -- that is the Lion behind the tree.

The first 4-6 months without the drugs is the "make it or break it period." The brain is trying to reboot and we are learning how to live again without drugs. Again somehow we have to find a port in the storm and hang on for dear life. But during this time if we are not working a solid "recovery", almost every time we will repeat our ways.
 
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My first post was what my sponsor would have said in order to jolt the soul possessions to shake the ball and chain. I 100% believe best thing for an dependent/addict/taper person is the therapeutic value of the same person helping another. The dependent, stoners, junkies, and freaks are an elite race of their own.

The fact your making a change is awesome man. My first post was intended to display how drugs set us back. It was life saving information IMO. This is a time of decision. Try to keep your mind occupied as best as you can. Even if you have to turn on a movie, get on the internet, music, comedy, water, hot shower, sleep, food. Routine is everything for people like us.


This is how "TODAY" I will start in my skin :
1) wake, wait for meds to work. entertainment, watch the Sopranos or Deadwood HBO Series ($15 per month)
2) Write a gratitude list (10 items), pray, reflect, write, plan for the day, music, send nice-grams to friends & family, spread love somehow, god's work
3) Keep working on my routine progress, fine tuning, light exercises, chores, work on the car, forums, selling items I do not need, anything to not sit in one spot and watch seasons go by
4) take a break, music, weed (a big help while detoxing), weed breaks the mental unbalance some while dope sick

5) hot shower, go over some of my daily duties from today, plan tomorrow's car work, read the service manual, take notes, keeping myself busy, might be tired but I advanced today and can't wait to get back at handling my affairs, fell good about myself, the brain learned it does not need drugs to stimulate the feelings of accomplishments, self-esteem, encourage others to set their feet down and start running in the direction their inner voice tells them to do

6) Stretch, do the back-roller exercise, do basic exercise minus "jumping-jacks", body is physically tired, helps with sleeping, do self-work writing at the end of the day (reflection), tell those I love goodnight, rest up
7) wake repeat, stay on the routine

You got this. This a time of decision. Routine is everything for people like us, each day gets better
 
pnillyg said:
Doing an ata home detox with a nurse so they switched me from 300mg oxy to 16mg bupe, dropping 2mg per day

They’re not giving me enough benzos but I finally got them to up it to 60 of diazepam cause I was taking 20 diazepam and 1-2mg xanax a day and the were only giving me 30 diazepam a day so I had to get them to up that to 60

I’m thinking to do the detox off subs and the benzos slowly taper after they I’m out of the detox setting

Also they make me stop doing ketamine which is probably a good thing

Anyways, any recommendations?

I’m definitely gonna go back to ketamine afterwards to help me get off the benzos and the gabapentin and the methocarbamol that they have me on.

Just want them to get me off these opiates/buprenorphine and then I can do the rest myself.

They want me to go to outpatient, but there’s just no way because I’ve been. There’s so many times and it never works. I got it myself. I’ve been working out and have good discipline these days. I’m also older so I understand. I’m the consequences.

I just wanna get off these damn subs because as much as they’re helping, I don’t wanna get depending on them

That being sad I’d be open to do a sublicade or brixadi shot. Any recommendations?

My opiate cravings are bad.
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It is a gain, not a sacrifice to get cleaned up. You lose nothing, you lack nothing, you are perfect, created by a perfect Creator, and you will always be this. Your cravings are an illusion. Be still and know this. You’re just as perfect now as you ever were, no matter what your silly ego makes you believe. Have a nice day, and congratulations
 
Them Witches said:
Routine is everything for people like us.
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Wise words. Keeping a healthy routine can be boring and we might think that it does nothing for us, but it does.
As hard as Detoxing, it's only the begining. The hard thing comes later: not "retoxing" months later when paws get you. This whole process is an actual samurai's path, and the routines help you to walk it throw it.

So, at what point are you now? How many bupe mg are you currently on?
Personally, I wouldn't taper the bupe to zero, I would jump at some point (but that's me)
Anyway, you should have three meds in mind:
Pregabalin often works in opi wds, much more than gabapetin.
Clonidine helps with anxiety and goosebumps, but you can't overdo it nor stop it suddenly. 0,2 or 0,3 mg day could be ok, but look for profesional advise
Loperamide is useful during the worst days, it helps you with the shits. Another med that can't be heavily abused as it can cause heart issues.
I don't really want to tell about loperamide dosages, as it can be tricky.

Take my words for what they are: layman's advises and try to get profesional opinions on the subject

pnillyg said:
I’m thinking to do the detox off subs and the benzos slowly taper after they I’m out of the detox setting
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Yes, I think that's a good idea, I mean first detoxing from opis and then benzos. But the " out of detox setting" I don't know, benzo detox often is more dangerous than from opiates. If you decide to taper benzos at home, please do it slowly, very slowly, and get some medical supervision if you can
 
Keep the Buprenorphine (Suboxone) as low as possible. Doses lower than 2mg Buprenorphine will likely make the cravings less severe. You're in a tough spot and enduring pain. Please, use what you get from this experience. Don't let the pain be for nothing. I'm not telling you that you have to immediately be clean, but don't fuck up. Don't "adjust" your dosages.

You will likely experience Post-Acute Withdrawal Syndrome. It will likely last for a few months. My advice is to not make any rash decisions. Go to meetings or whatever you do for yourself. Get your head straight. Get a foundation. Then you can think about getting off of everything

It sounds like you enjoy Ketamine. If they get you off it, I wouldn't go back. It's one of those drugs that is just too unpredictable to be used in the manner you're describing. People K-hole, forgot they did Ketamine, do more... it's like Benzodiazepines in its unpredictability, but worse. I can see it working for a very short while until the first mistake. In recovery, with cravings, who knows what the fuck you're gonna do without inhibitions.

Go slow. There is no rush. We can live for 100 years, yet people act as if spending a single year tapering is just crazy. They wanna do it in a long-weekend. Then they relapse, despite the best intentions. Go slow. You will likely need volumetric dosing when you get into the lower dosages of Buprenorphine. We got you there.

Do not misuse anything. 1% progress every day. That is my motto, my mantra. 1% better, that's all you need. You'll be at 100% in a few months at that rate.
 
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