Sniffer dogs

[Splatt]

I love all animals...except these fuckin' muts! They ruin all the fun! Is this thing about a baggie inside a baggie filled with coffee/curry legit? If so I might have to think about it since the paranoia is at an all time high!

Nope. They're good for tracking movement, thats about it. Their sense of smell is like how we see. We see colours, shapes, objects etc. individually but when it comes down to smells, we smell spaghetti bolognese as what it is.. spaghetti bolognese sauce. A Dog is smelling all these different smells at the same time, but can split them up, it won't just recognise the smell of it all together, it smells beef mince, pasta sauce, every differet vegetable in it, tomato paste and right down to MSG that is inside the beef stock youn put in it.

Masking does nothing to trick a dog, it will just smell coffee, mustard, curry, whatever else, plus one of those chemicals (MDMA or impurities) or tablet binders it was trained to play as a game and rewarded. It will smell all those things just like we can see every colour of the rainbow and tell the colours apart.

Stick a steak down your sock, the dogs will go nuts, just pull the steak out and give it to them. The cops will think you are a dickhead but at least the dogs will be too busy to notice the pills.

I remember the chaser doing this stunt at an enchanted festival I think it was.

Yeah that was gold, they did it at the XXXX. Doing that kind of stuff could get you a charge for obstructing police operations though, same as walking around the entry the night before and dropping sassafras oil all over the ground right around the venue in a dark hoodie and trackies at 3am...

[EDIT: No event names. hoptis]

 

[flipthecandy]

Yeah that was gold, they did it at the big day out. Doing that kind of stuff could get you a charge for obstructing police operations though, same as walking around the entry the night before and dropping sassafras oil all over the ground right around the venue in a dark hoodie and trackies at 3am...

Oh c'mon as if you'd get arrested for carrying steak in your pants!

"Well officer, the steak wouldn't fit in my pocket. And yes I do carry raw steak around a lot. It...uh....feels nice on my skin

 

[phase_dancer]

Oh c'mon as if you'd get arrested for carrying steak in your pants!

"Well officer, the steak wouldn't fit in my pocket. And yes I do carry raw steak around a lot. It...uh....feels nice on my skin

It takes very little to be charged for obstruction. This includes running from police, failing to open a door quick enough, resisting arrest (also broadly defined) or interferring in any way with police operations.

Sniffer dogs are regarded the same as police officers. A steak down the pants, or any attempt to confuse a dog or prevent it from carry out it's job would definitely constitute obstruction in this state (Qld)

 

[Bent Mk2]

So has anyone seen any dogs so far at the races? I know there's been a big police presence cracking down on drunks and underages, but has anyone noticed any dogs?

 

[Misterwize2]

Saw a load of Police and dogs go through a recently redeveloped Oxford St spot last weekend and the dogs were being led around with the occasional sniff rather than actively melling everyone. They did however drag one guy out by about 7 Policeman and women but I wasn't sure why.

They then shut the venue and lined up about 30 Police and 4 dogs right outside the door and caught no-one. They did however stop and search people who crossed the road conveniently - which makes me think that they have a difficulty actually smell very small amounts of drugs on the person in a smelly club/bar environment.

Funnily the dogs even had a flourescent coat on to draw attraction to it so they could see changes in peoples behaviour and stop them. The labrador I saw was panting and just being taken for a walk. One of the dogs also looked more like a mongrel than a pedigree Police dog!

There was also an undercover lesbian copper stopping girls who is also a regular at some of the gay nights around Oxford St. Crafty b ut what a waste of time. Go and catch some murderers, rapists and violent criminals instead.......

 

[Tresca]

sniffer dogs question

Can sniffer dogs detect one or two pills if theyre up your arse in a condom? Also what about if they are wrapped in cling wrap and in your mouth?
Just curious as to how effective sniffer dogs really are and what the smallest amount they can sniff is? Also do they have to be very close to the person carrying or can they detect from far away?

 

[lil angel15]

Threads merged.

 

[Luchia]

from what Ive heard a sniffer dog can smell 1 part per 100 000, So if you have 1 grain of hammer in a jar with 100 000 grains of coffee you're gunna get busted!

 

[sydkiwi]

Can sniffer dogs detect one or two pills if theyre up your arse in a condom? Also what about if they are wrapped in cling wrap and in your mouth?
Just curious as to how effective sniffer dogs really are and what the smallest amount they can sniff is? Also do they have to be very close to the person carrying or can they detect from far away?

I refer to earlier posts Ive made on this subject - carry lots of weed.

on a more serious note, stick it down your bra and you'll be fine we've walked past those dogs for the past 6yrs. Police handlers watch for reaction too.

 

[sydkiwi]

Is there anyone else here who has little confidence in doggys? IMO the dog's are more for show, the handler will look for dodgey looking people and use the dog as a reason to search.

the official statistic in Sydney is in 10,000 searches, only something like 17 people charged.

 

[Bent Mk2]

Hmmmm so what right do police have to search you WITHOUT the reasonable suspicion that a sniffer dog sitting down next to you gives them?

I was at a big event in Melbourne over the weekend, when I walked towards the gate I didn't see any police or dogs and was rather relieved. I wandered up to the box office to pick up some tickets (the box office was hidden from the main sight of the gate), I waited 10 minutes in line, got my ticket, walked back out and saw at least a dozen people getting searched by pairs of cops. They literally seemed to swoop in from no where, but with all the trees that wouldn't have been hard.

What bothered (and scared) me was that there were only a couple of dogs around, and the cops were approaching people in pairs without the dog. They were also so far from the gate that anyone using the park could have been approached, not just punters lining up.

I had (clearly incorrectly?) assumed that police needed a reason to be allowed to search you, and the dog identifying you gave them that reason. Are they now allowed to basically stop anyone in the street and demand that you allow them to search you/your belongings?

 

[hoptis]

That's the problem with a term like "reasonable suspicion", it gives police such a wide pretext for which to search people. Today, going to a music festival is evidence enough apparently that you're carrying drugs.

 

[Splatt]

hoptis, you can fight it in court easily enough.

its when you conscent to a search you're fucked.
i dont need to tell you what gets you in trouble, but be calm and cool with police during illegal searching errors and you will get away with it. being a cunt back or anything will just get them proof you need to be charged.

 

[Bent Mk2]

Today, going to a music festival is evidence enough apparently that you're carrying drugs.

Well this particular Festival was in the middle of a rather large park area of Melbourne's inner city. Indeed I'd suggest they were so far away from the gates in some parts that people walking/using the paths around the area on at Saturday afternoon were in the firing line.

hoptis, you can fight it in court easily enough.

That's what I was wondering. What are the steps to take in a case like this. What do you have to do (not do) or say (not say) to ensure that if you are charged you can get to court and get it thrown out?

 

[scattered_raver]

One rave i went to in Brissy, there where a pair of cops "randomly searching" anyone who walked past them in phat pants. (This was a fair way down from the venue)
This seemed sorta illegal to me, but once again, 'resonable suspicion' pops up...the way i see it, is if they wanna do it, unless its something majorly illegal...they can do it and get away with it >.<

 

[hoptis]

That's what I was wondering. What are the steps to take in a case like this. What do you have to do (not do) or say (not say) to ensure that if you are charged you can get to court and get it thrown out?

You can refuse to be search and have that refusal noted by the officer, I'm not sure how much that helps you later on but Australia doesn't have the Fourth Amendment protections afforded to Americans where a police officer has to have probable cause to search you.

 

[Splatt]

I've been arrested with over a tenpack of pills before, because a girl dobbed me in for doing whatever i was doing. The police took her word, pushed me against a wall and searched me.

Back in the police office they interviewed me and I said you illegally searched me, you cant take me to court even if you did find the pills. They said, yeah we know that but the girl is going to come forward and make a statement and testify. We will release you but you will get a summons to appear in court when she comes back. She obviously never returned.

 

[andyturbo]

so in conclusion if we are illegally serched is it best to just let them do it and get out of it later in court, or do we say "i do not concent to this search" and if they continue to do so say what happend to ur lawyer?

 

[Splatt]

yeah if they havent used dogs, and they just say "empty your pockets", they should actually be asking a question at that point. cops are trained to use this question to sound like a statement, example "Lets check your pockets ok?" but not use a up-tone at the end of the question to symbolise a question. This way on paper it is read out by the prosecutor in court as a question, and it will say you conscented to a search.

if they use this you can ask why, have i done something wrong? if they say your eyes look huge, you can then say "probably the anti depressants im on". dont say your drunk even if your eyes do dialate when you're drunk because cops can use a torch to easily see if its drugs or alcohol. different dialation and undialation times and different nystamigus. with anti depressants theres heaps out there and they wont know the side effects of medications.

if they then still say theyre going to search you, ask if you're under arrest. if they still forcebly search you and they find something. then you can argue later in court how the search was conducted, or even at the station, mention that from what you've read about rights, in a calm way ofcourse, the search they conducted wasn't right and ask if you can talk to a lawyer. never say anything on tape. all you have to say is your name, agree to a time and agree you were arrested, that is all.

 

[madmick19]

Report Summary
The power to use drug detection dogs to aid police officers in the detection of drug offences, particularly drug supply, was clarified and expanded by the Police Powers (Drug Detection Dogs) Act 2001 ('the Drug Dogs Act'), which commenced on 22 February 2002. The Drug Dogs Act required the Ombudsman to monitor the use of drug detection dogs for a period of two years.Our review of the police use of drug detection dogs attracted unprecedented community interest, as evidenced by the number of telephone enquiries, complaints and submissions that we received. Our review found that despite the best efforts of police officers, the use of drug detection dogs has proven to be an ineffective tool for detecting drug dealers. Overwhelmingly, the use of drug detection dogs has led to public searches of individuals in which no drugs were found, or to the detection of (mostly young) adults in possession of very small amounts of cannabis for personal use.These findings have led us to question whether the Drug Dogs Act will ever provide a fair, efficacious and cost effective tool to target drug supply. Given this, we have recommended that the starting point, when considering this report, is to review whether the Drug Dogs Act should be retained at all.
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