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Hope its a short Vacation we All need you here!
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Hi AutoTripper, never heard of Shilajit is it recent or a traditional medicine used in Ayurveda?
Hi. Sorry to have been so distant from you. I have been distant from everything really. Insane, testing but extraordinary times.

Dunno about Ayurveda but it's as ancient as ancient gets, pure as pure.

Shilajit has profoundly positive effects on brain and mood, energy, cognition.

Like, nootropic except it gives and gives but does not take away.

Well worth knowing about.

Looking into.

Trying. IMO.

Hope you too are good man.
 
Thank you everyone for the support and kind words, it means a lot. I will finish reading all of your lovely words tomorrow. I seem to be coming back to reality after discontinuing the supplement (knock on wood).

My behavior the last few weeks was off, and unfortunately these are only things I can see in retrospect.




I believe Ashwagandha may be the culprit in this episode... even though the internet says it shouldn't exacerbate schizophrenia and I took it for 2 months daily with 0 issues at all... it does raise serotonin levels apparently and my schizophrenia is due to an anomaly in my 5-HT2a/x system.

My current guess is that over time it cumulatively raised my serotonin and eventually it reached a critical point.

If not that, I have no earthly clue. Anxiously awaiting my appointment.
 
Thank you everyone for the support and kind words, it means a lot. I will finish reading all of your lovely words tomorrow. I seem to be coming back to reality after discontinuing the supplement (knock on wood).

My behavior the last few weeks was off, and unfortunately these are only things I can see in retrospect.




I believe Ashwagandha may be the culprit in this episode... even though the internet says it shouldn't exacerbate schizophrenia and I took it for 2 months daily with 0 issues at all... it does raise serotonin levels apparently and my schizophrenia is due to an anomaly in my 5-HT2a/x system.

My current guess is that over time it cumulatively raised my serotonin and eventually it reached a critical point.

If not that, I have no earthly clue. Anxiously awaiting my appointment.
You say so. But, 'lief systems aside lol, I mean in spite, you have always been actually solidly polite, respectful, pleasant to me.

I wanted to thank you for having noticed that awhile ago but you know how things are...🙂
 
Will be glad to have your thread in TDS and am also glad you are gonna stay snaffy negen and not JW.

Hang in there kid. We love ya.
We need to step up you know, I mean we did need to? Perhaps we are?

BL I mean, as a "collection" (-ive) of individuals.

But we accepted I felt the norm of the nightclub ethics.

Lots people here have got very lonely, bitter, feeling alone.

I myself made strong comments, mocking BL asa HR place.

As I personally was finding that it could actually be quite dangerous when in a sensitive and inbalanced frame of mind emotionally.

And it should be the other way round ideally and so many people have really lost touch over time I feel the community culture to not reach out and be soft and understanding enough has definitely been largely responsible there.


If we can just help in any way Negentropic to feel a fresher, peaceful, easier....closure if wished.

But just no pressure. Winding that down.

What's to lose hey? Like, BL account wise etc.

We all could warm up to each other a little bit regardless of our differences maybe an excellent thought to focus on starting the year.
 
I'm now convinced I was experiencing the begging of serotonin syndrome due to several symptoms I was having that I could not attribute to schizophrenia. Racing heart, unexplainable rushes of body sensations/ mild euphoria, agitation, confusion, increased sweating and of course hallucinations. At the time, I thought it was just a panic attack due to being worried about a relapse in schizophrenia.

It's all starting to make sense now.

I was so worried and had convinced myself it was simply a relapse in schizophrenia and could not be anything else.

I was going step by step trying to find the cause. Kratom? can't be... Kava? can't be... Ashwagandha?.... I thought no, I've been taking it every day for weeks... can't be.... but sure enough, it was. I did not do enough research, trusted some anecdotal internet shit, but was dead wrong.

Sometimes I can't see the obvious right in front of me and focus on something else. This could have been easily avoided had I simply stopped taking that supplement.
 
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I'm now convinced I was experiencing the begging of serotonin syndrome due to several symptoms I was having that I could not attribute to schizophrenia. Racing heart, agitation, confusion, increased sweating and of course hallucinations. At the time, I thought it was just a panic attack due to being worried about a relapse in schizophrenia.

It's all starting to make sense now.

I was so worried and had convinced myself it was simply a relapse in schizophrenia and could not be anything else.

I was going step by step trying to find the cause. Kratom? can't be... Kava? can't be... Ashwagandha?.... I thought no, I've been taking it every day for weeks... can't be.... but sure enough, it was. I did not do enough research, trusted some anecdotal internet shit, but was dead wrong.

Sometimes I can't see the obvious right in front of me and focus on something else.
Glad you are better. And nipped it in the bud before it got worse.
 
Glad you are better. And nipped it in the bud before it got worse.
it's been 48 hours since I've discontinued the supplement, and there is definitely a large improvement so far, but I'm still going to the doctor obviously

I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch :)

also I haven't drank in 4-5 days, wooo go me
 
Wow.... every hour that passes I realize this was not a schizophrenic episode at all... this was literally me basically in some kind of low/moderate of level serotonin syndrome for a few weeks and in the last week it started getting pretty serious.

I have to assume that whatever damage I did to my 5-HT2a system (which caused the original schizophrenia symptoms), possibly made me predisposed to such a reaction from ashwagandha. The culminated effect it gave me absolutely brought out past schizo symptoms which I have been recovered from for one or two years now.

It's been about 60 hours since I last took ashwagandha, and I feel pretty much back to normal again.

I can't believe this went on for so long and I continued taking ashwagandha pills... and yet, I could not identify them as the problem...

If I had not had schizophrenia in the past I would have identified this WAY earlier... it was the ashwagandha pills, and the whole time I thought it was me and another episode... which is why I didn't stop taking them... I kept telling myself it couldn't be the ashwagandha pills... I lack common sense sometimes, we all do.

oh well, I feel great now... when you have near death or near psychosis episodes you feel like you have a new lease on life. I actually feel amazing and a huge sense of relief.
 
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I'm now convinced I was experiencing the begging of serotonin syndrome due to several symptoms I was having that I could not attribute to schizophrenia. Racing heart, unexplainable rushes of body sensations/ mild euphoria, agitation, confusion, increased sweating and of course hallucinations. At the time, I thought it was just a panic attack due to being worried about a relapse in schizophrenia.

It's all starting to make sense now.

I was so worried and had convinced myself it was simply a relapse in schizophrenia and could not be anything else.

I was going step by step trying to find the cause. Kratom? can't be... Kava? can't be... Ashwagandha?.... I thought no, I've been taking it every day for weeks... can't be.... but sure enough, it was. I did not do enough research, trusted some anecdotal internet shit, but was dead wrong.

Sometimes I can't see the obvious right in front of me and focus on something else. This could have been easily avoided had I simply stopped taking that supplement.
Were you taking ashwagandha for some sort of pleasurable effect? I've never gotten anything recreational from it. For me the best use for it is if I want to take a break from dexedrine.

However I guess there's a reason why it says on almost all supplements check with your doctor if you're taking prescription medicines.

Glad you're doing better you've helped a lot of people with your experience no matter what you've done when drunk or in the politics thread none of it matters. You got a good heart
 
I'm now convinced I was experiencing the begging of serotonin syndrome due to several symptoms I was having that I could not attribute to schizophrenia. Racing heart, unexplainable rushes of body sensations/ mild euphoria, agitation, confusion, increased sweating and of course hallucinations. At the time, I thought it was just a panic attack due to being worried about a relapse in schizophrenia.

It's all starting to make sense now.

I was so worried and had convinced myself it was simply a relapse in schizophrenia and could not be anything else.

I was going step by step trying to find the cause. Kratom? can't be... Kava? can't be... Ashwagandha?.... I thought no, I've been taking it every day for weeks... can't be.... but sure enough, it was. I did not do enough research, trusted some anecdotal internet shit, but was dead wrong.

Sometimes I can't see the obvious right in front of me and focus on something else. This could have been easily avoided had I simply stopped taking that supplement.
Snap on that my friend, so glad you are seeing light and clarity returning.

That intense hadship when we are forced tightly down the line can have it's blessings too. WHEN it eases up.

I hope you will appreciate feeling calmer and seeing clearer again.

I have inflicted so much harm on myself, trying supplements, drugs, foods last 17 years in desperate bid to recover, comfort, any avenue.

Recently, Sea Moss! Smells heavenly. On paper great stuff.

For my body, destruction.

But it's arrival overlapped with some astonishing personal healing stuff going on.

Bottom line, 12 days thinking drinking sea moss was good for me, put me into one very sorry condition. Total sabotage of internal function.

Kratom does the same to me, most things do so I do walk a tight rope.

But now and then I get brave (or stupid, prob the latter lol) and go trapezing off at angles, as walking that tight line, looking down, L, R, straight ahead the only narrow way to go..

Feeling trapped. I hate that, so I try to hack the situation. Deny the reality, find another way.

A normal body, literally no sweat. Any which way to go. But it's true catch 22. No figure of speech, again these phrases genuinely describe phenomena.

It really is better for me to stay in the frying pan, than jump into the flames. It sounds dramatic but is no exaggeration.

So I'm not jumping out again. I hurt myself this time. Aggravated internal and external haemorrhoids to indescribable burning fire and so inflamed, tonne of digestive blockage and largely related to ongoing herxeimer hence, need access and exit regularly to avoid over toxicity, like rats trying to dig through no gap, sick to hell needing evacuation, sick to hell from fiery pain, no sleep, only time, pain and pain to escape it.

I done it already, lots times last year this specific condition, and all others along the road.

But out of everything I have ever known, I haven't known hardship, pain and horror like that.

Acupuncture was vital, the only treatment I could access. I had to survive that.

Better! Like, 99% better. And still 89% not great, but those experiences show you things.


If I had simply not started drinking sea moss, coinciding with rapid intestinal healing and flushing, I would likely have avoided the situation.
 
Were you taking ashwagandha for some sort of pleasurable effect?
I was taking it for its intended purpose: stress

the first month there was no issues at all and it really works quite well for stress, it also has a nice little drowsy GABA effect for 2-3 hours after taking it, it doesn't get you high or anything but it's definitely more than placebo

I was also taking the recommended amount on the bottle, 2 pills, I wasn't overdoing it or trying to abuse it

it just cumulatively added up too much serotonin in my brain and I kept taking them thinking it couldn't be the problem and it got worse and worse and worse - and I kept thinking it was something else causing it
 
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I was taking it for its intended purpose: stress

the first month there was no issues at all and it really works quite well for stress, it also has a nice little drowsy GABA effect for 2-3 hours after taking it, it doesn't get you high or anything but it's definitely more than placebo

I was also taking the recommended amount on the bottle, 2 pills, I wasn't overdoing it or trying to abuse it

it just cumulatively added up too much serotonin in my brain and I kept taking them thinking it couldn't be the problem and it got worse and worse and worse - and I kept thinking it was something else causing it
Haven't noticed a relaxing effect probably because I take it when not taking stims besides coffee... going to pay attention since I'm exploring ways to stop daily Klonopin
 
Haven't noticed a relaxing effect probably because I take it when not taking stims besides coffee... going to pay attention since I'm exploring ways to stop daily Klonopin
the GABAa effect comes from the fat soluable alkaloids which take time to build up in the system

it took about 7 days of taking it before I really started to notice the GABAa effect

but be wary of this stuff-- I now know why they tell you to cycle it (2 weeks on 1 week off). It's not something you want to take every day for long periods of time

but yeah combined with how it significantly reduces cortisol - I absolutely noticed a strong stress reduction overall while taking it, it's great for that (I generally took it in the morning after my coffee)
 
the GABAa effect comes from the fat soluable alkaloids which take time to build up in the system

it took about 7 days of taking it before I really started to notice the GABAa effect

but be wary of this stuff-- I now know why they tell you to cycle it (2 weeks on 1 week off). It's not something you want to take every day for long periods of time

but yeah combined with how it significantly reduces cortisol - I absolutely noticed a strong stress reduction overall while taking it, it's great for that (I generally took it in the morning after my coffee)
About the only claim that supplement makers make for ashwagandha is it supports adrenal function ... be great if you run across any studies if you would share them and I'll do the same with you... I'm guessing they're not common because it's a natural product that can't be patented
 
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