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I have only ever smoked Heroin on foil and was doing so daily for around 2years. Although when I was smoking I managed to keep my city job I was high most of the time smoking before after and during work but no one really noticed. The only person that did was my mum who swiftly went about looking for treatment for me. I did a subutex detox for one week and then had a naltrexone implant it is a 3 month implant and It has now been 13weeks clean, I am happier now and a lot more engaged with work and life but I still think about smoking. I tried to smoke as soon as I reached 12 weeks and still can't feel a thing. I do it and afterwards I am relieved that I haven't felt anything because I know when I do it is goin to be very easy to slip back into old habits. I feel like im going mad waitin for this thing to wear off and in the meantime sitting in the office thinking about it all day. I don't like NA meetings as I really stick out like a soar thumb and I kept it a secret for so long admitting this to anyone is tough. I tried a counsellor she was clueless and no help. Does any one have any good coping strategies?
 
cisionite said:
I have only ever smoked Heroin on foil and was doing so daily for around 2years. Although when I was smoking I managed to keep my city job I was high most of the time smoking before after and during work but no one really noticed.
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see this is shit that drives me crazy. Cisionite, did you discharge you responsibilites properly? Did you pay your bills, were you a honest person in your relationships (except about the heroin)? Did you prosper in your job and take care of your mind and soul? I would understand if you were failing at these things that you might submit to a program and detox. However if you're a successful young individual then I dare say your not the one with the problem.
 
Well given the prices here, I think you can make a pretty good argument for quitting even with someone who's otherwise perfectly functional, unless they have a moderate - high 6 figure income. In fact, come to think of it, I think the argument for quitting opiates is almost always financial. It's basically a benign drug (unsafe administration practices aside), the problems only come into play when you're choosing between your next dose and the things you need money for (mortage, groceries, gas, etc).

Cisionite, have you considered long term maintenance? It's not for everyone and it's not a silver bullet, but being on suboxone allows me to restrict my opiate use to one or two weekends a month when I have the spare cash instead of blowing every cent on oxy and morphine. It keeps your mood up, helps with pain and reduces cravings.
 
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In fact, come to think of it, I think the argument for quitting opiates is almost always financial. .
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sure if you're running out of money then quitting, maintenance or else earning income through dubious means are really your only three options.

question though Crankinit, I've been told recently that suboxone programs have been restricted and you now have to take your dose under supervision (cracking down on the blackmarket for bupe) and they've also moved from the tablets to a strip. If this is true, how does a functional human with a job, family and other responsbilities some how drive to a clinic every morning for their dose.

I have a relative on the program and they're finding it a massive challenge just getting their every day. Its almost like the programs suppose that your a junkie scumbag living on the dole and has nothing better to do then spend their day going between clinics and centrelink.
 
I haven't been on bupe, but on the methadone program you're entitled to a certain amount of take-home doses per week, depending on how well you can apply yourself (with urine testing as the main qualifier) you get more as time, and abstinence go on.

Most maintenance programs have at least some supervised doses per week - otherwise, you could have opiate naive persons on huge amounts of maintenance drugs just diverting them without even needing the drugs themselves. Supervised dosing is an important part of opiod maintenance which needs to stay. I had to go to a chemist daily for more than 3 months. It was difficult, I hated it. But, doing that as well as passing numerous drug tests, gave my prescribing doctor faith that I wanted to get clean. It showed him that I was trying, not just wanting to up my dose so I could sell it on the street.

Earning trust from your doctor is one of the most important parts of opiod maintenance. If you don't have the trust of your own doctor, how would your family and friends see you?
 
question though Crankinit, I've been told recently that suboxone programs have been restricted and you now have to take your dose under supervision (cracking down on the blackmarket for bupe) and they've also moved from the tablets to a strip. If this is true, how does a functional human with a job, family and other responsbilities some how drive to a clinic every morning for their dose.
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It works much like methadone, you have to dose at a pharmacy every day, and slowly they start giving you take away doses. AFAIK it's always been that way in Australia, we've never had bupe available on a 30 day script the way it is in the US. I don't have to go to a clinic at all, I have my script written by a GP I see once a month for a minimal charge, since they recently loosened restrictions in SA so any doctor could prescribe suboxone to up to 5 patients (probably in reaction to the chronic shortage of methadone funding, there was a good 6 - 8 month period where they weren't taking new methadone patients and didn't even have a waiting list). Not sure if that's the case in other states

It is a huge pain in the ass after a while, imo the rate at which they give you TA's is far too slow and $5 a day adds up when you're a studying full time. I was lucky in that the pharmacy is a 10 minute walk down the road from my house, so it's usually just a case of leaving half an hour early for Uni in the morning or taking a quick walk on the weekends, but if that wasn't the case then yes, it absolutely would be a huge pain in the ass.

I've heard a lot of stories about people who get treated like shit by their doctors/dispensing pharmacists too, but luckily everyone I have to deal with is laid back and friendly.

So yeah, like I said it's not a perfect solution, but it is a good way of getting your use under control if you're in the right circumstance.

Also, the strips are far better than the tablets. They dissolve faster and don't taste quite as foul (though they're still not candy).


Earning trust from your doctor is one of the most important parts of opiod maintenance. If you don't have the trust of your own doctor, how would your family and friends see you?
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I'm sorry if this seems rude and I'm not taking a shot at you personally, but I really hate that attitude. So many doctors give off this vibe that we dirty drug users should be grateful for even the slightest bit of help we get and be willing to lick their shoes in return for every tiny script or referral or appointment, and it's disgusting. If doctors weren't prone to treating patients like lab rats and threatening to cut off any help the moment the patient decides to veer even slightly from their ordained treatment, then patients would be able to be perfectly honest without worrying about losing access to necessarily healthcare. Medicine should be a two way process, the doctor is the expert but it's the patient's body and life, they should have as much to say, if not more, than an outsider.

Sorry, again, not taking a shot at you, it's just an attitude that's so ingrained in our society and it really frustrates me.
 
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^ I don't take it as a shot, nor take any offence to it. I am not an asshole, I agree with what you're saying. But I also understand there are people out there, like, my family, who don't have the same outlook on life that I do. It helps when my doctor is on their side, to them, they feel like I am being treated correctly when I can meet my doctor half way. It is what it is, I am doing as best I can with the system I am given. All I was trying to do was help those in the same situation, you've gotta understand the other side's point of view before you'll get anywhere.
 
I dose with sub thru a dedicated clinic and pharmacy. I'm thinking of switching to a private GP in the hopes of getting more takeaways than I currently receive (3/week).
In anyones experience what's the most takeaways a private prescriber can/will give?
 
opi8 said:
Maybe those people who only use codeine or swallow/snort oxies or whatever don't want to be lumped in as "junkies", but the fact is you are. Footscrazy brought up a good, lengthy discussion on this subject recently. I don't like the term, I think it's derogatory as fuck and implies you are a bad person. But to 50% of Australians who are against drugs and want even pot users to go to jail for life, if you abuse opiates in any manner whatsoever, you are a junky. The lowest of the low. Worse than murderers and rapists. It doesn't matter that you are nothing at all like the stereotypical "junky", nor have ever done anything of the negative connotations which go with the term, it doesn't matter that you are probably a lot better people than these straight Jesus freaks either. To them, we're better off dead.
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Thats fucking ridiculous to compare someone with a codeine "addiction" to someone who loses the plot and bangs smack 5 times a day.

It is abosolutly NOT the same thing.

Codeine iis hardly in the same flinchos as smack,
 
gimpan said:
Thats fucking ridiculous to compare someone with a codeine "addiction" to someone who loses the plot and bangs smack 5 times a day.

It is abosolutly NOT the same thing.

Codeine iis hardly in the same flinchos as smack,
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They're both opiate addictions. Normally a heroin addict will be used to larger amounts and shooting it up. Yeah, heroin has the potential to be far harder to manage, but at it's core they're the same thing. Just because someone takes heroin daily doesn't mean they're a thief, or a 'bad person' - I think this is what he's getting at gimpan.

Pills are more socially acceptable than buying powder herion off the street....it shouldn't be this way but it is.

I hate the term junkie as well. It's a hateful word and kind of implies the addict isn't human, not to be trusted, worthless etc.
 
dont got no smack here, but I just scored some oxy 40mg's from my guy ;>

I usually dose 80mg as my initial dose, but I've had a fair few valiums yesterday, so today just before, I only plugged 60mg.

and oh my, I'm nodding as hell and so itchy! me loves the itch!
 
i don't think occasioanlly railing oxys makes me a junkie, or that this is any different from occasional drinking or smoking weed. i get that a lot of people don't have the self control to 'chip' opiates whether due to their personality or situation, but i don't think that means people that use opiates occasionally (a lot more people than we probably realise) should be labeled as junkies.
 
That's where the definition of junky comes in. To a lot of straight folks, you are just as much a junky as a person who shoots heroin 5 times a day. I really hate the term junky myself. It implies something a lot worse than what many heroin addicts really are. Every "junky" is a person. Usually they have issues. It doesn't help them to label them as scum or treat them like criminals for being addicted to a substance.

If drug users stigmatize other drug users because they choose a different drug or ROA, how the fuck are we going to get the general public to come to their senses on some of (in my opinion) the most important drug issues of today?
 
opi8 said:
That's where the definition of junky comes in. To a lot of straight folks, you are just as much a junky as a person who shoots heroin 5 times a day. I really hate the term junky myself. It implies something a lot worse than what many heroin addicts really are. Every "junky" is a person. Usually they have issues. It doesn't help them to label them as scum or treat them like criminals for being addicted to a substance.

If drug users stigmatize other drug users because they choose a different drug or ROA, how the fuck are we going to get the general public to come to their senses on some of (in my opinion) the most important drug issues of today?
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Agree 100%. Drug users often make these arbitrary decisions to make themselves feel better about their drug use, but the reality is that in the eyes of society there's no huge distinction. Terms like 'junkie' are like any other offensive epithet, they define people by a stereotyped view of one tiny aspect of their personality, robbing them of their essential humanity, usually as a way of justifying treating them as less than other people.
 
^Yay! I have had a few rants against the J word over the last few years - good to see there's a bit more understanding around here these days :)
 
I have two choices. Pick up some shit gear now, or hang out for two days and get the same weight, but of some pure fucking fire. I hate waiting :'(
 
Yeah the wait sucks, but try to keep yourself distracted and think about how much more you'll enjoy it when you do get the good stuff in a few days.

Worst case scenario, you could always grab a little of the shit stuff just to give yourself something to do until the good batch comes around.
 
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