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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Sleeping pill suggestions

The point I was trying to make was that zopiclone might be covered by his insurance and/or might be cheaper than lunesta.
He did say that Lunesta worked, so he should see if he is covered for zopiclone.

i was just tryna explain the names and what it was basically, i havent had to get my own script of those so i wouldnt know which ones have generics.
and to op, my critisim wasnt pointed at you, i was just saying in gerenal. but i also thought from the op that you only took 1 ambien and sleptwalked and shit haha\
 
Librium is pure shit, the LOWEST and WEAKEST benzodiazepine out there, hands down. Diazepam is far superior to Librium. Also, I don't know why people take seroquel, its a fucking antipsychotic for fuck sake, and unless you are psychotic, or have schizophrenia, I would stay the fuck away. I know it is prescribed off label for sleep, but at the same its a dangerous drug as I've seen it drop people's white blood cell counts, cause infections, and also cause diabetes. 50-100mg of Trazodone FTW if you need sleep, and don't want the addiction potential of benzodiazepines. If you are going to go with a Benzo for sleep, probably Lorazepam or Diazepam would be your best bet. Alprazolam is good as well, but far harsher rebound anxiety/insomnia with Alprazolam compared to Lorazepam. Diazepam has a really long half life so you should not experience any rebound anxiety, only thing is you might still feel the effects into the next day.
 
I've been prescribed seroqul for ahile, 300mgs for sleep nightly it helps decently, but lately I've been waking up atleast 5 times, something 7 or 8 times, so I thought i'd try some of my mom's zopilcone I took around 37.5mgs tonight just cause I was stressed and wanted to see what would happen but so far not much for it being hard to walk and some dizziness, and I don't even seem that tired. Reading the comments for seroquel though I think i'm gonna go off it.
 
Depends whether you're wanting a OTC sleep aid or you're looking for your doctor to prescribe you something.
30mg of Ambien (Zolpidem here in the UK), does the job for me, with no sleep walking or any of the unusual side effects, but it just doesn't give me the quality of sleep I'm after. Plus my Psychiatrist won't prescribe me over 20mg per night. So I slowly eat into my prescription and I'm left with hardly any at the end of the month. Bad times. But as you say, you've tried that and its not you're cup of tea.

As someones mentioned Zopiclones a good prescribed sleeping tab, but again in the UK, they don't tend to prescribe over 15mg per night (2 x 7.5mg) and for me, that just doesn't do the trick. Plus I hate the metallic taste it leaves me with. Constantly makes everything taste like shit. It's not really any different to eszopiclone, so if your insurance covers it, give it ago.

Depending on where abouts your from, there's a wide variety of benzodiazepines available under different compounds.
Someone mentioned lorazepam, but in my personal opinion, I've tried it and it isn't that special. Plus, if you take to much, you will lose a whole day (serious black-out).
Temazepam is a good choice for sleep and a lot of Drs will recommend it.

There's a whole variety of different drugs, anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, anti-histamines, which are all known for there sedating effects. Though compared to Z-drugs and benzos, if one the 3 above doesn't work, your unlikely another will. So your best bet seems a benzo since you've tried eszopiclone and zolpidem.

Others have mentioned trazadone, which agreeably is quite sedating, I was on 400mg for a while, but it just messed my head up too much for me to carry on.

Also melatonin, which is worth a shot, but its hit an miss whether it will work for you.
Your best bet is to consult your Doctor and just tell him your thoughts. If hes a cunt, he will be against prescribing, though if hes understanding an quite lax, he won't have any concerns.

Good luck,

HMR
 
Hi

Have you tried Flurazepam, very long lasting benzo it really strong and i was an addict i(Heroin IV, KetamineIM/IV,MethIV,MidazolamIV) im clean for 8 months but still on meds , now to sleep i take 30mg Morfex (flurazepam) and Tercian 100mg (Cyamemazine)(the only anti-psycotic I took that I love very hypnotic and dissociative easy for sleep) and in sos i take 15 some time 30mg midazolam when ketamine and meth craving attacks .
Also taking clonazepam 3 times a day7,5 mg.

this are my doses i use to IV 150, 200mg midazolam a day and more al the other stuff , don t try this doses

But for not very hard addicts just flurazepam or tercian should be put you sleeping

Greetings
 
Seroquel at low doses (like 25mg) works as an antihistamine instead of beta blocker - so i think that was what my doctor was thinking as well. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me.

I've heard a lot about melatonin but i have yet to try it due to the fact that it's a hormone. I'd rather try something else that doesnt have the possibility of decreasing my already lacking natural production of it.

I haven't seen any documentation that demonstrates melatonin supplementation will diminish production; it's been theorized but never been shown to produce clinically significant effects on production.

Seroquel (quetiapine fumarate) is not a beta blocker or resembling beta blockers in any fashion. Beta blockers are used for high blood pressure and they block the effects of epinephrine and norepinephrine on beta-adrenergic receptors. Seroquel is an atypical antipsychotic that has diverse pharmacological activity involving dopamine, serotonin, histamine, muscarinic acetylchlone receptors and alpha receptors but not any targets of beta blockers.

try pregabalin or gabapentin. they work well for sleep and dont inhibit REM sleep

These are not terrible options but with regular use can produce some undesirable side effects such as substantial weight gain if used regularly. Also, insomnia is not an FDA-approved indication so some doctors won't be as willing to prescribe these, especially the former since it's scheduled (at least in the US).

Doxlyamine succinate or something like that,
75-100mg will help me sleep through the night.
Otherwise
zopiclone is just as effective as eszopiclone at 2x the dosage. (eszopiclone is the active in zopIclone)

whenever i hear bad stories about ambien , the first thought that comes to mind is "what a pussy", no offence op. Those are my go-to, could take 3 and not have any fear of sleepwalking.

Doxylamine, in my opinion, is the most effective OTC sedative with the fewest side effects but for someone without a tolerance, those doses are far too high. For sleep-induction, the usual starting dose is 25mg. It's the sedative in Nyquil and most preparations recommend 12.5mg/dose.

I heard 20mg of lunesta is the equivalent to one dose of vicodin? If this is true, i'm familiar with the effects so to speak.
Ativan is a strange pill for me. I don't feel much of anything when i take it before bed.

See below...

Apples and oranges.
Opiates and Benzos (z-drugs) are completely different.
Don't compare different classes of drugs, it's just a frivolous exercise.

This.

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Answering this is very difficult because it depends on what you are looking for exactly. When it comes to sleep issues, the first thing to look at is what they term 'sleep hygiene'. Do you do other activities in the area you sleep? Do you do mentally engaging activities right before bed such as reading, studying, etc? Do you have television or anything that may distract you while you are trying to sleep? Do you consume caffeine or other stimulants in the afternoon or evenings? Do you exercise?

These are all very important factors that if most people addressed, wouldn't need pills to help them sleep but of course, most people prefer short cuts. Very few people would need sleeping medication if they exercised, appropriately managed stress and had good 'sleep hygiene'. Making changes in those realms can be very beneficial but are not practical for everyone, hence why there are SO many options available!

Melatonin is a fantastic supplement because it helps regulate your circadian rythms and 'set' your biological clock. If you are attempting to go to sleep and get up at very disparate times, it is going to make getting sufficient sleep very difficult. Getting to sleep at the same time every night and waking up at the same time helps condition your body to do these things naturally and with time, becomes much easier.

So as to not make this untenably lengthy, I'll say just one last thing - if you are planning to use anything with regularity, I can not recommend against benzodiazepines strongly enough. They may work better than anything else and have the least side effects in the short-term but dependence on them to sleep and how horrible the discontinuation can be should discourage anyone from using them for this purpose beyond the odd occasion.
 
Hi

Have you tried Flurazepam, very long lasting benzo it really strong and i was an addict i(Heroin IV, KetamineIM/IV,MethIV,MidazolamIV) im clean for 8 months but still on meds , now to sleep i take 30mg Morfex (flurazepam) and Tercian 100mg (Cyamemazine)(the only anti-psycotic I took that I love very hypnotic and dissociative easy for sleep) and in sos i take 15 some time 30mg midazolam when ketamine and meth craving attacks .
Also taking clonazepam 3 times a day7,5 mg.

this are my doses i use to IV 150, 200mg midazolam a day and more al the other stuff , don t try this doses

But for not very hard addicts just flurazepam or tercian should be put you sleeping

Greetings

^ Seconded on the Flurazepam. Awesome Benzodiazepine, probably the best Benzo you can get for a good quality sleep. Really long half life on Flurazepam, which also makes me like it, because it doesn't leave me with much rebound anxiety or insomnia at all.
 
I read your follow up post, indicating you do take 60 mg Adderall daily, which is, frankly, a fairly large dose of amphetamines, especially to dose daily. I am not saying whether or not it is worth taking as you are, because I do not know your personal situation, but I can say that amphetamines can, quite obviously, cause issues with sleep. Adderall, containing about a quarter levoamphetamine, and about three-quarters dextroamphetamine, has the potential to cause insomnia more so than other amphetamines, as the levoamphetamine has a bit longer half-life than the dextroamphetamine, and while it does not do much with the CNS, it does a lot with the PNS (peripheral nervous system) by keeping it stimulated. The PNS stimulation can be felt, and some find it unplesant, but some find it helpful in assisting the dextroamphetamine to stimulate the body and mind by giving an extra "umph" if you will of energy. It is worth considering, perhaps, switching to Dexedrine IR or Dexedrine Spansule, or Vyvanse. If you find that you need the Adderall for "energy" more than anything, and you are often fatigued, it might be wise to stay on the Adderall. If it simply helps you with troubles you have with mood, concentration of focus, attention etc., a pure dextroamphetamine choice might be better, or Vyvanse which metabolizes into dextroamphetamine and can yield good results. It might leave you with very similar therapeutic effects, but if there are any side-effects, they would likely diminish. This is just an idea, not necessarily what I think would definitely be best. For example, I would not want to switch from Adderall XR, because I like the levoamphetamine's effects which are sort of "wiring" for lack of a better word. For me, it helps with my fatigue and energy levels in a way I don't think pure dextroamphetamine could as well. But, this varies, and depends on why one is using amphetamines.

Back to hypnotics, though, I would suggest you do try melatonin. There is little reason not to do so, and it really can be of help for those with insomnia. I might also suggest you look into what I mentioned in my first post. I am beginning to think Xanax (alprazolam) might be not such a bad idea, but to use this as a hypnotic with success varies from person to person. It does hit quickly and "hard" with good anxiolysis (anxiety relief), and is very good for panic attacks, too. It's half-life and duration of action are relatively fairly short, a bit shorter than lorazepam's, for example. I have known people, firsthand, who have said it does help with sleep and have taken it nightly for insomnia. If you do suffer PTSD, this might be a good option for you to take at night for sleep, but dose carefully, for you don't want to jack up your tolerance to unwanted levels. I would say start with maybe 0.5 mg + melatonin (probably 3 mg), and if you feel the need to up the dose, don't just jump to 1 mg nightly, but go to 0.75 mg first. I still think Doral (quazepam) should be explored, though. I see it having potential, especially due to the effects increasing with chronic dosing as the levels of the drug and its metabolites grow higher through the first few days to about a week, exerting its strongest effect after several days. This might also very well help your daytime anxiety related to the PTSD, or just ease out the Adderall's effects (not cancel out, of course - ease out). The thing with quazepam is that there will be that steady level that will be obtained through the nightly dosing, so it will exert effect day and night. It also is absorbed quite quickly, so you could take a little extra on particularly bad nights, of course having a script that allows that so you don't run out. I am beginning to think this is really the best option, with nightly melatonin, too. But, I do not know. Just ideas.

Oh, and Vicodin contains hydrocodone, an opiate, which as stated above, cannot really be compared against a z-drug like Lunesta.
 
If you look towards benzodiazepine-like drugs, I would suggest going for one of the thienodiazepines. They don't have a lot of negative effect on NREM sleep which is where you get most of your "restful" sleep. Examples include Clotiazepam, Brotizolam, Etizolam, and the atypical anti-psychotic olanzapine (but this will work more like seroquel than a hypnotic benzo).
 
If you take adderall, you'll never get any rest. Especially large doses of extended release... wow i can't even imagine trying to sleep without benzos. But that is like a poor mans speedball youll end up doomed.
 
Anyways, I would still recommend the best as in terms the OP is guessing "the strongest" benzodiazepine sleep aid is Flurazepam by far. (Especially if you need sleep, and your benzo tolerance is through the roof even).
 
the best downers ever are barbs(nembutal seconal tuinal) but they've been replaced with benzos (diazepam temazepam) And docs will not hand them out like they used to-and they don't like to give out nonbenzodiazepams or so called z-drugs (zopiclone zaleplon) - thats british drug laws for you! anyway the drugs you've been given would most likely work for most people-have you tried zopiclone,you may know them as imovane/zimavane i think.if they dont work you should ask for benzos temazepam/nitrazepam -good for the short term but you can't take them forever(i could be wrong but i think the most potent benzo is britizolam).Now for some constructive help-1. etizolam or pyrazolam r the only good benzos that arent controlled -but the best stuff (second only to barbs) is something called methaqualone -or mandrax.its a controlled drug-but the analogue Elaqualone is'nt...
 
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Wow, I'd completely forgotten about barbiturates untill you mentioned them. Ah, those lost Tuinal weekends.......
 
yeah a older friend of mine told me that back in the day-70s benzos were nothing-u couldn't give em away not when u could get barbs-also what about mandrax when 2days generation talks about downers -it's all just benzos and z drugs even diphenhydramine haha -i think once you've tried barbiturates thats it nothing else even comes close!
 
from personal epirience sleeping pills are a short term solution, OTC sedating anti-histamnes might work for a certain amount of time, for some reasone doctors here are hge Alimenazine pushers, personally i find them very little use apart from giving you a dry mouth..

thee other anti-histamines all have nasty side effects IME and won't help you sleep in te long run

hypnotic benzos again are a "solution" to insomnia, but are "meant" for short term treatment (4 weeks), allthough IME they will be effective far longer, but it then becomes a uestion of do you want accept to be hooked to benzos and whatever that might entrail on your social professional and psychoological health long term

z-drugs might knock you out but won't keep you asleep

melatonin and other more "natural" sleeping "helpers" i don't now much about... exept it's mostly placebo, not entirely, but mostly, nothing wrong with that (again i havn't done my research so..)

one important thng, ask yourself why you need sleeping pills before swallowing whatevers "suggested"
 
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