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sleep paralysis >>>>> lucid dreaming

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i have been getting into this , ive always suffered from SP. And have been known to be able to lucid dream"
but now its getting to a whole new "spiritual " level

i love it , it can be scary sometimes and i lose about 2 hours a sleep a night from it when i do it...

i can actually lucid dream and pick any girl i would like to have sex with and do it


anyone else have experience with SP or lucid dreaming
 
I don't really get sleep paralysis any more, but I do get a lucid dream every now and then. Used to be more frequent during my teens. I started to get frustrated with myself because the desire for sex tended to infiltrate my motivations during the lucid moments. I'd wake up and be like "for fucks sake, you could try so much and all you did was go for sex". I got far more satisfaction by trying to manipulate elements in the scene, or flying. Strangely though every time I tried to fly I'd go up like 10m or so, and then hit a kind of invisible barrier.. or just fade back into a normal dream.

It's still nice to lucid dream, to break up the drudgery of waking life, but the amazement wore off. In fact now I don't really desire it any more because I think interrupting the normal sleeping pattern is detrimental; I feel dreaming is all about processing data from the waking life, in particular resolving emotions. Best to leave the body/mind to do its thing. Just my opinion though.
 
ya i have been really tired lately

but im wding from subs ,and taking alot of immodium so that might cause more SP and melatonin also

right now i have nothing to do during the day so staying up all night and lucid dreaming is alright for now lol
 
If you're experiencing it frequently I'd recommend trying something more useful than sex. Seriously. Try flying for example. Or.. you could get philosophical and pose a question about yourself that you'd like an answer to. You might get an answer that could help you in your daily life :)
 
I had sleep paralysis all the time as a kid accompanied with a recurring dream. At first it terrified me, but became something of game or challenge to me. I knew it was happening and I would play with the dream until I could break free. As an adult, it happens less frequentl but no dream with the SP. I wiggle all my extremities fighting to wake up and even try to yell for help. Strangely, I can see my actions and hear my screams. The childhood ones I can see as being interpreted as some sort of spirtual event although I was too young to make the connection. The more recent one I feel may be a night terror, or sleep apnea induced. Possibly even a mild seizure. They feel completely physcial in nature.
 
Try creating yourself in the dream world..

Ask yourself meaningful questions.

Apart from that.. flying is fun.. but giving yourself (other) super powers and abusing them is more so (well.. it was when i became lucid during a nightmare involving 99% of people in dream being against me)
 
rickolasnice said:
giving yourself (other) super powers and abusing them is more so
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Yeh. Manifesting objects out of thin air, moving shit around, playing god inside your little corner of dream space.

Thinking about it some more, actually the craziest thing I like to do is what sometimes triggers the lucidity in the first place.. looking into mirror. Reminds me of looking into one on psychedelics.. you see yourself but there's two of you, the image in the mirror that has the appearance of you, and then the real you (the one that is watching that has no form). But yeh.. focus inwardly on yourself and try to locate where "you" are. It will make your head spin!
 
Sleep paralysis is a great opportunity for jumping into other mind states... but it's too tricky and unpredictable. My last SP episode had me thinking somebody was trying to break into the house in an attempt to kill me. Had it been a "ghost" or whatnot, I would've realized that I was in no real danger. Instead, I bought the illusion and struggled until I woke up, and promptly cursed myself for it afterwards :( SP doesn't come often enough, and I keep blowing it!

Lucid dreams in-and-of themselves are useful, but conjuring sex partners, flying and manipulating matter aren't things I wish to be doing during that time. My goal for a while now has been to enter completely different realms, through either lucid dreaming or sleep paralysis. In 2005, through a dream, I entered a very vivid visionary state and got to study a tapestry in the midst of universal static for quite a while. It was amazing, and I still don't know precisely what it represented. The tapestry did not change the whole time I looked at it. I've been trying to get back to the same place ever since, but haven't had any luck. Maybe I'm not meant to go back there right now, lots of other things to see you know ;)
 
Looking at your hands throughout the day is a good tip to get into a lucid dream.. because your hands look messed up in dreams.. so when you look at your hand (as has been programmed into your brain to do by consciously doing so throughout the day) and you have a palm which is stretched 3 times as long and your fingers are all the wrong sizes while merging into others and still making no sense.. you know your dreaming.

Easiest (and only) thing i did to lucid dream was:
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Set alarm 4 - 5 hoursish before you normally wake up (To hopefully wake you up mid-dream). Get up and (in my case) eat a mars bar (but anything dumb will probably do..) and then go back to sleep (from waking to attempting to sleep again would be around 10 minutes). But the most important thing is to repeat (in your head) "This is a dream, I am dreaming" or something very similar for as long as you consciously can.. from the moment you wake to the moment you lose consciousness. This should send you straight back into a dream with the thought / idea that "This is a dream, I'm dreaming!" prompting you to check if it's true.

Although I can't say if it works as well as other methods - It took me around 3 nights of doing this before I achieved a lucid dream state and would easily enter a lucid dream 3 - 4 nights a week.. After a few weeks I stopped the whole ceremony and would still lucid dream around 50% of nights at first.. then it would become less and less frequent to the point i rarely get the anymore.. My dreams aren't vivid enough at the moment for me to bother


A problem I found while lucid dreaming a lot of the time would be when i look for finer detail within the dream, the dream loses detail.. then i start to panic i'm losing it (ruining the dream) until everything is grey and im staring at the back of my eye lids.. I put this down partly due to my technique (in NSFW).. in that I hadn't gotten in a deep dream before becoming lucid, instead coming from a waking state into a lucid dream.

Thoughts?
 
In my dreams people talk but they don't move their lips. Anyone else notice that? I've used it as a recent queue to realize I'm dreaming. Another one is trying to read in dreams. When you try to do it, it's like a spotlight is looking at one word but as soon as you move on to the next you forget what the previous word was. The hand one rick mentioned is also useful. You don't have proper lines on the palms of your hands in the dream time.

I prefer astral projection to dreaming at this point. The dream occurs at a lower level in the causal field. If you can rise above it then you breakthrough to the waking world while in your astral body. If you experience sleep paralysis then all you have to do is get out of your body because you're basically already in the astral, albeit at the lowest level.
 
Now that you mention it Foreigner.. I don't think I dream moving lips to talking people either :\ strange..

What kind of sleep paralysis are you talking about? Most of mine will occur while I am still actually dreaming even though my surroundings seem to perfectly match my surroundings in reality.. or maybe i just have my eyes open.. But either way.. leaving your body in this state would just be dreaming ;)

I've found the best thing to do once becoming lucid is just carry on with the dream.. it obviously alters the dream but i think it stays a lot more vivid and exciting when you let your subconscious mind take the drivers seat while your conscious mind observes.
 
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rickolasnice said:
What kind of sleep paralysis are you talking about? Most of mine will occur while I am still actually dreaming even though my surroundings seem to perfectly match my surroundings in reality.. or maybe i just have my eyes open.. But either way.. leaving your body in this state would just be dreaming
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The kind of sleep paralysis I'm talking about is mind awake, body asleep. Your eyes are closed but you're still seeing the entire room, and there may be qualitative differences such as being able to see 360 degrees. If you can do this, you are effectively "out of body", it's just that you haven't actually stepped out. Trying to get out of your body feels like an electric sensation, which is what a lot of people in SP report when they try to move. It feels like some kind of magnetic field is holding them down. This is the etheric field of the body. Instead of thinking of getting out or how to do it, just think about where you want to go... i.e. my living room. And you'll be there. The same magnetic/electric feelings will be experienced when you eventually get back in. It feels like slipping back into a thick, dense mud.

I think you should try leaving your body and make your own empirical observations in that state before trying to qualify the nature of what is actually happening. It's a really cool experience and if you are friends with anyone else who can do it then you can meet up in that state and have conversations, which I've also done. There are plenty of ways to prove to yourself that the experience is real, but for people who are really attached to their consciousness exclusively being within their organic brain, the astral can be traumatic. So take it slow at first.
 
Sounds interesting.. Are you able to enter this state at will?

If so I'd like to know the technique you use :)
 
At will as in, I sit down in a chair and leave my body? No.

I don't always realize that I'm in a dream. Like anyone else, I often think the dream is real until I happen to run into one of the dream queues I mentioned.

You can use writing techniques before bedtime to trigger out of body experiences, or at least the precursors. For example: "Tonight I will realize I'm dreaming and will decide to leave my body. In tonight's dream, I'll be aware that it's the dream state and will become aware I can leave my body." Just repeat it over and over, but you must hand write it and not type it.

Or you can ingrain a dream queue in the writing, like, "Tonight I will look at my hands in the dream and realize I'm actually asleep."
 
Oh right no i can achieve a lucid dream state just fine i was more talking about astral projection.. perhaps from meditation?
 
Sorry, I didn't clarify... you need the lucid dream state in order to actually leave the dream, because the astral level relies on the same kind of unconsciousness state as dreaming. Some people just skip the dream and go right to the astral, but for people who don't do it naturally, using the dream state is the best approach. The only model I have found that sort of explains it is the theosophic model.

There are many levels to consciousness in this system, but the only ones you need concern yourself with for understanding AP are these: physical, etheric, astral, mental, causal.

Both dreaming and AP take place on the astral level, but the dream state is a lower vibration and more linked to the emotions. People who have a hard time getting control of their dreams have a lot of unresolved emotion turmoil usually. In order to leave your body, you have to raise the vibration, which involves moving beyond the dream state, which involves not being attached to whatever is going on in the dream.

A good example is that recently I was in a dream where I was coming home from a party, and the night sky looked incredibly cosmic and full of stars. In the dream I looked up at the stars and started to rise up, flying toward them gradually. As I did this, I could feel my body tingling, and I realized it was a dream. I broke through and then left my body, standing in the middle of my bedroom.

I've done it by accident too. I've got up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom and fell through the toilet because I didn't go with my body. One time I was napping and the post man knocked at the door, so I went to the door to open it but my hand went through the doorknob. Once I realized I flew back into my body with a whoosh that scared at the hell out of me.

Anyway... just experiment. Setting intentions around bedtime is important.
 
Ok I'm gonna try this every night until i succeed.. Last time i got into lucid dreaming it only took a day or two before i could achieve a lucid dream state.

I'll ask my girlfriend to write a random number on a piece of paper and put it on top of my book shelf (at the end of the bed).. Let's see if i can see what it is.

(Will genuinely do this)
 
^ That's a good experiment, I did something similar with a friend that lived across town. Not only did I see the picture he drew but he was also having sex at the time so I got to see his wang. :P

The most important thing to remember is that if you successfully enter the astral, focus on one location only. If you think of multiple places to go, you will bounce all over the place and it will be very jarring. Sometimes that happens anyway on the first try, but don't let it dissuade you.

Keep trying it every night. Be patient. When I first started doing this I gave up after a week or so, and then at some random point during week two I found myself out of my body without immediately realizing it.
 
rickolasnice said:
A problem I found while lucid dreaming a lot of the time would be when i look for finer detail within the dream, the dream loses detail.. then i start to panic i'm losing it (ruining the dream) until everything is grey and im staring at the back of my eye lids.. I put this down partly due to my technique (in NSFW).. in that I hadn't gotten in a deep dream before becoming lucid, instead coming from a waking state into a lucid dream.

Thoughts?
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Yeh that has happened to me. It's like we have some kind of attention quota, that if you burn it all out quickly on trying to create details in the dream you run out of juice and the whole thing just collapses. I think it also says something about how our minds work too, that like in real life we only have this tiny window of "space" we can pay attention to at any one time. Like when you're reading a book you get lost in that narrow focus and everything else just zones out around you.

I read a book on lucid dreaming some years ago where they would meet up with others, do all this shit, quite interesting. But I'm wondering how they actually managed to maintain their focus enough to do all that! For me it seems the lucid state really doesn't last all that long, and by lucid I mean 5/5 waking life type lucid, not 3/5 semi-lucid.
 
^ I've had a few lucid dreams where i could look at the detail and be amazed.. without this happening..

When things faded to grey it would have been a lucid dream achieved straight from an awake.. meaning i wasn't in a deep sleep.. It's a lot harder to achieve lucid dreaming while still staying in a deep sleep.. that is where the fun really happens
 
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