• 💊 OTHER DRUGS 💊 Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads 1 Notable Threads 2
    Dangerous Combos Addiction Support
    Emergency Services Benzo Guide v.1
    Addiction Stories Scary Case Studies
    Biology, Pharmacology & Drugs 101
  • Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

Misc Sisa 'The Cocaine of the Poor'

Status
Not open for further replies.
M

MrSexypancake

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 16, 2013
Messages
146
Location
Nice Try. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tiO_cj0p8c

Hey Bluelight, so I was watching the above clip from The Young Turks just now. It deals with a new drug being used predominantly in Greece called Sisa. According to them, it's a derivative of meth, but with such potent negatives effects on the body that meth almost looks safe in comparison. They showed briefly some of the chemicals added to make it, but they seemed to be substances I had thought were used to cook meth.

I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about Sisa and what makes it so much worse than meth.

TL;DR: Folks in Greece have made a crazy new drug from meth and I want to know what makes it so much worse.

Thanks for any information on the topic,

S.P.
 
As far as I've read on the internet; it is an altered version of meth.

My opinion is some sort of process is done to Meth that gives it a much bigger yield. Extreme harmful toxins are probably used to do it and are in the end product. who knows though, maybe it's a obscure RC?
 
Yeah, the chems used to cook normally are unnerving, but whatever they put in Sisa must be brutal. They were reporting abscesses all over users and one guy had to have pus pumped out of his stomach. They even made it sound like stim psychosis set in faster on Sisa than on meth.
 
Not to keep bumping my own thread, but I also can find anything that tells the spread or availability of the drug. Is it used outside of Greece?
 
zzz101 said:
As far as I've read on the internet; it is an altered version of meth.
Click to expand...

I have not yet seen a well written story on sisa yet. Meaning that most of them are a little sensationalist and not based heavily on facts.

My personal thought based on some of the "rumors" in this article is that this is methamphetamine made with one of the DIY synthesis methods. This means that it is not "altered" per se, but there is probably a bunch of raw chemicals, solvents, catalysts, etc. in the product (as in the krokodil story, the incomplete / impure synthesis would in part explain for some of the nastier effects).
 
That's why I'm curious to see how far it's usage has spread. I could understand a few people getting really nasty impure meth and having adverse reactions to it, but I wouldn't think that reports from all over the country would be cropping up if this were the case, as I would think different sources would have different methods and that level of terrible quality wouldn't be the case so often. I'm almost beginning to wonder if there's just some new method of cooking meth that produces a product inferior even to shake n' bake.
 
Now, I love Vice, but their research can be at times sloppy and sensationalistic...I mean, if you carefully watch the Krokadil one - for example- you'll notice that no one cooks krokadil or uses it, they're using heroin and one of them injects a bunch of some brand of eyedrop to 'make the junk better' but that's really it. The reporter appears to have been taken in by the first group of heroin addicts who were happy to talk a bit of shit about Krokadil and shoot up on camera for a few rubels.

My gut feeling is this is simply the Greek 'translation' of shake'n'bake meth. In the US it's been all 'SHAKE N' BAKE METHAMP!!1! THE TWEEKERS GOT METH LABS IN THEIR BOXERS11!!!' while the Greek version is all 'SISA IS AN EASY TO MAKE POWERFUL DERIVATIVE OF METHAMP THAT TURNS ITS USERS INTO TWITCHY LEPERS!!!!11!!'. Vice doesn't do the sort of careful research, nor do they have that sort of investigative journalism skill set.

Love it to bits though. Great rag.
 
limonov said:
Now, I love Vice, but their research can be at times sloppy and sensationalistic...I mean, if you carefully watch the Krokadil one - for example- you'll notice that no one cooks krokadil or uses it, they're using heroin and one of them injects a bunch of some brand of eyedrop to 'make the junk better' but that's really it. The reporter appears to have been taken in by the first group of heroin addicts who were happy to talk a bit of shit about Krokadil and shoot up on camera for a few rubels.

My gut feeling is this is simply the Greek 'translation' of shake'n'bake meth. In the US it's been all 'SHAKE N' BAKE METHAMP!!1! THE TWEEKERS GOT METH LABS IN THEIR BOXERS11!!!' while the Greek version is all 'SISA IS AN EASY TO MAKE POWERFUL DERIVATIVE OF METHAMP THAT TURNS ITS USERS INTO TWITCHY LEPERS!!!!11!!'. Vice doesn't do the sort of careful research, nor do they have that sort of investigative journalism skill set.

Love it to bits though. Great rag.
Click to expand...

I concur. When I watched that Krokidil documentary I was left very disappointed at the lack of information about the drug. Even so, the "Krokidil" isn't necessarily the drug itself, but the chemicals used in its synthethis which weren't properly extracted from the final product as a result of lazy chemistry; and I'm sure this so-called "sisa" is a similar case, but with methamphetamine. In general I don't mind Vice, but their overly-casual nature and often intrusive carelessness of some of the journalists really bother me some times. I remember watching one of their documentaries about Datura and "zombification" (another example of sensationalism), and the host continuously brought up irrelevant questions to those being interviewed and he continuously told the audience that he was smoking pot during nearly every interval.

I still like watching those documentaries, because sometimes the sensationalism keeps you far more intrigued than, say, a purely educational documentary.
 
with the budget these media outlets have at their disposal I don't see why they don't just buy a little sample and send it into a local forensics lab. maybe they don't because they can make a more interesting story about a "mystery drug" than about a poorly synthed common stimulant.
 
I love vice, just saw this docu a few days ago or when ever it came out. To me, i think it is just methamphetamine and they call it sisa there. I mean everything about it reminds me of meth , how ever as someone else already mentioned i think they use some harsher chemicals to synthesize it. The effects are probably like meth, except less euphoria and more paranoia / side effects. It is not some magical amphetamine of its own... but who knows, they need to lab test it!
 
This is like the definition of speculation. When someone actually has a credible source for this Sisa Shit, let me know and maybe this thread will be reopened. I see no HR value whatsoever, just ratings-based reporting, leading to unnecessary rumor machine generating more myths, just like they did with Krokodil.

killing this thread.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top