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"Sin: The Path to Excellence"

paltatomate said:
well, i don't
the world (nature) is pretty capable of ruling itself, so why do something that's already being done?
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Our nature is destroying our eco system.
We are in time of a major extinction event of human origin that might include a drastic change from the peace we have enjoyed to continuous war, as peoples become dislocated thanks to our collective ecological abuse.

Stupid is as stupid does.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Our nature is destroying our eco system.
We are in time of a major extinction event of human origin that might include a drastic change from the peace we have enjoyed to continuous war, as peoples become dislocated thanks to our collective ecological abuse.

Stupid is as stupid does.
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but whatever humans do, some part of nature will survive.
it always has, and that's what i mean with 'nature is capable of ruling itself'.
there is balance in nature.
but humans are arrogant, so it will be humanity that will eventually fall off the scales.
good riddance.

but until then i choose to exist as an individual, and to set my own values and ethic codes.
and for me there is no sin, and only very little regret.
only mistakes to learn from.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Our nature is destroying our eco system.
We are in time of a major extinction event of human origin that might include a drastic change from the peace we have enjoyed to continuous war, as peoples become dislocated thanks to our collective ecological abuse.

Stupid is as stupid does.
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how do you define when an ecosystem is destroyed? the great oxygenation event killed off many species yet the change allowed for different life to fluorish
 
someguyontheinternet said:
how do you define when an ecosystem is destroyed? the great oxygenation event killed off many species yet the change allowed for different life to fluorish
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I leave the definitions to the experts. That is there job.

My job and duty is to listen to them and act against the human nature that is having us be too self centered and ignoring our poor direction.

You are right that life will flourish regardless of us humans being here or not.

We are forgetting to think of the future of our children.

This is not good for humans.
 
Sin is a product of faith. Before faith came into existence sin was not even a word. Religions particularly Christianity embrace sin as a necessary means for redemption. Without so called character flaws such as sin Christianity would be meaningless.
Sin is defined a transgression against god. According to Christianity humans are born into sin inherited from original sin of Adam. Faith and sin go hand in hand there is not one without the other.
You may perceive murder, lust, covertness, lying etc as acts of sin but you cannot prove sin exists beyond your belief system.
Humans are capable of terrible things, religions such as Christianity have capitalized on the notion of sin to ensure growth and prosperity.from believers. I believe in myself to be accountable for my thoughts and actions. If I wrong someone I make it right and forgive myself for harm caused. I have only one life and.I do not intend to screw it by behaving badly.
Sin has no chains on me. I do as I do without regret.
 
M1sterEd said:
Sin is a product of faith. Before faith came into existence sin was not even a word. Religions particularly Christianity embrace sin as a necessary means for redemption. Without so called character flaws such as sin Christianity would be meaningless.
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Character flaw?
That is hardly what Christianity thinks as it sings of Adam's sin as a happy fault that is necessary to God's plan.

The flaw is if you do not sin, miss the mark, and try to improve.
 
Sin is about guilt, regret and remorse. It is possible to come to a place in life where you forgive yourself for wrongdoings. Sin is a product of religion it has no bearing on the human condition unless you are a victim of religious belief.
I do not sin, first of all I do not believe in sin therefore I do not need to be forgiven by god or anyone except myself.
 
Wow. I have never met one who never sins or misses a mark of excellence.

Yours must be quite the boring life, when all you do is the best in all areas.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.
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this is a thought-provoking thread. thank you.

to better understand can you define some of your terms?

what's your definition on "sin"?

what is sinning in "the best way possible"?

Jnowhere said:
Before an Angel grabs you and throws you in the Lake of Fire to be Alone and tormented day and night in the Black Fires of Hell for all eternity.

You have been warned. Repent and accept Christ as your Lord and Savior or that's exactly what will happen.
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what does it say about a religion if it has to try to scare people into getting on board?

Jnowhere said:
You have no authority to judge anyone.
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and yet you do it numerous times in this post and thread. including in the very next sentence!

if it annoys you that people judge people, don't do it. be the change?

alasdair
 
Jnowhere said:
More like the road to Hell. But we are all sinners. Especially me, and everyone else to varying degrees and it is not what you like to call it, it is what ALMIGHTY GOD calls it.

You have Opana313 too thank for the encouragement. Wow, negative feedback is great encouragement for a person like me. Besides this is the correct forum or thread.
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Say what?
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Sin, I define as an attempt to reach an ideal and failing to do so.
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This is not "sin" by common definition since one does not "choose to actually fail". It is falling short of one's goals, and "from the ashes of disaster grow the roses of success." Making your definition known is generally a good idea if one wishes to exchange ideas.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
This is not "sin" by common definition since one does not "choose to actually fail". It is falling short of one's goals, and "from the ashes of disaster grow the roses of success." Making your definition known is generally a good idea if one wishes to exchange ideas.
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I think I defined my position quite clearly. That aside.,

Who said anything about choosing to fail?

Why would one seek such a situation?
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
I think I defined my position quite clearly. That aside.,

Who said anything about choosing to fail?

Why would one seek such a situation?
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The most common definition of "sin" inherently and by definition involves choice. Even the common Christian concept of sin in Genesis shows that. The sin was not eating the fruit itself, but doing so after being told not to.
It's fine that you have your own definition, but for the sake of discussion it helps to let others know what that definition is. How else can we have "good faith" discussions?
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
The most common definition of "sin" inherently and by definition involves choice.
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True, and I asked you to show why anyone would choose to miss a mark?

Good faith discussion involves answering question to your comments.

As to A & E, did they miss the mark of growing mentally when their eyes were opened?

Would we be here if they had not learned the knowledge of reproduction? Should they have remained blind and dumb?
 
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