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Silk Road: Can an eBay for meth, smack and pot prevail?

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ATLANTA — Senator Chuck Schumer called it "a certifiable one-stop shop" for meth, heroin and cocaine, "the most brazen attempt to peddle drugs online that we have ever seen."

That was in June 2011, just days after Gawker writer Adrian Chen outed the site, known as Silk Road.

Schumer's outrage was palpable. He commanded Attorney General Eric Holder to shut down the clandestine marketplace.

But in the nearly two years that have passed, that apparently hasn't happened.

The site mysteriously disappeared for two weeks in November 2012, and its proprietor, alias Dread Pirate Roberts, went incommunicado from online forums. That led some to speculate that law enforcement had shut it down.

But the opposite now appears to be true.

Due to an explosion in popularity, Silk Road's infrastructure had to be rebuilt to accommodate new customers and security, Dread Pirate Roberts said in a post following his return. And performance measures were added to better protect users.

Rather than getting busted, Silk Road appears to be getting more robust.

In early 2012 the site was carrying out "slightly over $1.2 million per month" in transactions, according to a study by Carnegie Mellon professor Nicholas Christin, who conducted "daily crawls of the marketplace for nearly six months in 2012." And business was growing steadily, albeit not "exponentially, as reported in forums," Christin reports, resulting in commissions of $92,000 a month for the site itself.

That, of course, is pocket change in the world of transnational drug trafficking, where hundreds of billions of dollars change hands every year. But as Schumer's comment reveals, Silk Road's overt flouting of the law raises heckles.

Silk Road is by no means the first online marketplace for illicit drugs. Others have included Black Market, The Armory, Reloaded and General Store.

Law enforcement agencies around the world are fighting an arduous battle with these sites, albeit with some success.

Eight individuals were arrested in the US last year in connection with online drug trafficking, although none involved Silk Road. Australia nabbed the first Silk Road-related conviction in February 2013, when a Melbourne court found Paul Leslie Howard guilty of selling cocaine, MDMA, amphetamines, LSD and marijuana. He faces three to five years in prison.

While law enforcement authorities are eager to shutter Silk Road, knowledgeable sources say doing so will be challenging, thanks to the elaborate measures the site has taken to protect its clients.

"Silk Road is something we are aware of," said US Drug Enforcement Administration spokesperson Rusty Payne.

"Internet drug trafficking is really difficult to enforce. There are a lot of challenges, and a lot of technology that makes it difficult for law enforcement," Payne said. "Many times, it's easy to hide behind a server."

Hiding from authorities, while making itself available to those in the know, is precisely what Silk Road is all about.

For starters, you can't find it through Google, nor is a visit as simple as typing silkroad.com. To maintain customer anonymity, the site is only accessible through TOR, a decentralized server network that lets users mask their online identities and encrypt their internet connections. Once you get on TOR, Silk Road's web address is not very viral: ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion.

While TOR's strength means there's little chance that authorities can identify dealers and customers on the site, another potential choke point involves the currency used to conduct the transactions.

To avoid the easily-tracked trail left by credit cards, customers must make purchases using bitcoin — a digital currency championed as a way of maintaining online privacy. Bitcoin is not completely anonymous on its own, but it can be customized to obscure a user's identity.

"I call it user defined anonymity because it's not anonymous out of the box. It's anonymous only for careful users," said Jon Matonis, an e-money researcher, former Hushmail CEO and member of the bitcoin foundation. "Just like you practice safe sex, you have to practice safe bitcoin."

Increasingly, law enforcement agencies are hostile to bitcoin, regarding it as a black market currency.

"Bitcoin will likely continue to attract cyber criminals who view it as a means to move or steal funds as well as a means of making donations to illicit groups," read a report released by the FBI last year. "If bitcoin stabilizes and grows in popularity, it will become an increasingly useful tool for various illegal activities beyond the cyber realm."

Still, law enforcement agencies are thought to be devising strategies to take down online offenders using vulnerabilities posed by bitcoin.

And banning the service would come with its own collateral impact. For example, bloggers in places like Saudi Arabia and Vietnam can use bitcoin to pay for hosting services on WordPress, reducing the likelihood that local authorities could discover their identities.

"In the long run [law enforcement] will be looking for some regulatory choke points and they're going to be disappointed," Matonis said. "Bitcoin is not illegal in any country but it's also not currency. You're trading a math puzzle."

For now, Bitcoin remains a relatively minor concern; its value in circulation amounts to "only about $130 million in total," added Matonis, and drug trafficking is thought to account for a small fraction.

"That's like money that falls into the drug dealer's sofa," Matonis said.

But in spite of law enforcement's struggles in policing the online drug trade, Silk Road user anonymity may not be as ironclad as customers believe.

While internet denizens widely trust that the TOR network will maintain anonymity, that confidence may be misplaced.

"It is not impossible to crack TOR network. It's notoriously bad from a security perspective," said Richard Stiennon, author of "Surviving Cyberwar" and chief research analyst at IT-Harvest, a digital security firm. Stiennon also noted that he had personally witnessed the TOR network being cracked and exploited.

Law enforcement has already shown itself able to breach online "anonymizers." In 2012, for instance, there were a number of arrests of hackers involved in online collectives like Anonymous.

"I've seen in the last two years a rapid learning curve [that law enforcement] has climbed. They're able to infiltrate networks, pose as members of the community, interact and get enough information to identify people," Stiennon said.

While there are a plethora of anonymizers available to users, the level of trust placed in organizations and developers behind the software is in many cases unjustified. Companies often claim that server logs and other user information are not kept on file but such claims are virtually impossible to confirm.

"A lot of anonymizers claim they don't keep logs but how do you know that's the truth?" Stiennon said.

To stem the flow of drugs into the online market, law enforcement may need to rely on the skills acquired in policing hacker collectives rather than regulating a burgeoning market for online currency. In spite of bitcoin's use for illegal online purchases, the transaction is not dissimilar from a typical cash purchase of drugs in the real world illicit marketplace.

"With paper cash, you have privacy. You can go out and buy whatever you want with cash anonymously and it's untraceable. If a woman wants to pay for an abortion anonymously but she doesn't want to have her credit card used in the transaction, she can still go and pay with cash," Matonis said. "We already use paper cash anonymously and untraceably in our lives today. The only thing bitcoin does is retain that same privacy in the digital environment."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...icking-emerging-markets-technology-innovation
 
Man do I love intelligent people who belive in and promote freedom... this war just isn't just getting started but it becoming more and more interesting as the world is begining to to think for themselves and is increasingly fed up with the abysmal positive results and saddened over all the lives sacrificed or ruined buy the drug war. didn't you greedy fuckers hear.. "where hundreds of billions of dollars change hands every year" ha hundreds of billions.. and the same thing that you have been unable to stop will guarantee it success.. yeah we are good and intelligent people and dont need you violence causing protection.
 
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The thing about paper money and privacy, at least in the context of drugs and abortion is correct. The law doesn't make any difference to whether or not it's going to happen or not, because it's going to happen regardless of legality.

But abortion is different to drug use, enormously different and we all know that. Ironically it's legal (and demonstrably harmful to most women even if they want to deny it which they often do) and drug use (most of which is harmless eg. cannabis) isn't legal.
 
If the TOR system is getting cracked why is not 100 percent of that work going to stop child porn?
 
I guess the Silk Roads survival depends on both the tor network, and the bitcoin currency. I believe there was a recent crash or devaluation of bitcoin? (Could be wrong, though).

I've never used Silk Road myself, but it seems preferable to buying drugs from the street.
 
the only thing that bugs me is they got rid of the gun section on SR. Other than that they are pure freedom patriots.
 
If the TOR system is getting cracked why is not 100 percent of that work going to stop child porn?

Or into rape prevention, etc.
Absolutely agree.
But I think that we know the answer, unfortunate as it is...

 
Thank you so much slim.. "reality is a beautiful place.. everyone should visit!"

I think i know what yours and simons heart looks like..

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i've known people who have gotten drugs successfully from that site but i would never risk it
 
I admit, I have been tempted by the whole concept.....

Any successful Silk Road users out there?
 
i've known people who have gotten drugs successfully from that site but i would never risk it

It's safer than driving home from a dealer's house. Assuming you mean legal risk. Rip off risk may be higher. There is no way the police are going to stake out your house for a long period of time and wait for you to open a package of a small amount of drugs.
 
To whoever uses SR, afaik, "ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion" is not the real address. Unless they changed it recently or my memory is completely shot.

Be careful because these fake addresses are created as a means of tracking or scamming buyers and sellers.

Obviously I will not divulge the real address, but as a means of harm reduction (in this case, avoiding possible scamming or jail time), I felt I had to say something.

Be safe.
 
the only thing that bugs me is they got rid of the gun section on SR. Other than that they are pure freedom patriots.

drug use = more or less victim-less "crimes"

gun crime = can harm innocent people

where do you draw the line then? people would be selling chemical weapons for bitcoins, you dont think that wouldn't make it jump up a few defcon levels?

true "freedom" is technically just anarchy, fuck all that
 
To whoever uses SR, afaik, "ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion" is not the real address. Unless they changed it recently or my memory is completely shot.

Be careful because these fake addresses are created as a means of tracking or scamming buyers and sellers.

Obviously I will not divulge the real address, but as a means of harm reduction (in this case, avoiding possible scamming or jail time), I felt I had to say something.

Be safe.
That's not the address not even close.
 
drug use = more or less victim-less "crimes"

gun crime = can harm innocent people

where do you draw the line then? people would be selling chemical weapons for bitcoins, you dont think that wouldn't make it jump up a few defcon levels?

true "freedom" is technically just anarchy, fuck all that

Drugs can just as easily be used against innocent people. Neither drugs nor guns are dangerous; they are inanimate objects.
 
this is such ignorant bs. drugs impose huge costs on society. the health care system, the criminal justice system, on citizens affected by property crime or other drug-related crime. children born as drug addicts. etc. the list is endless.

There are different ways to look at this.. but if it wasn't a criminal matter it wouldn't tax the criminal justice system so heavily. I feel that drug related crime and property crime would go down as the price of drugs would go down and availability of drugs would become easier to get if the black market was removed. The black market promotes a cost to society and the world that much higher than actual drug use would cause and with the legalization of the drugs you would have a large source of income to develop and implement policies that work. With the taxation of these substances there would undoubtedly be a large source of revenue to pay for associated costs. With "dealers" who are also responsible for monitoring their clients it should be possible to address issues and stay on top of them.

Unfortunately there will and have always been children who are caught up in situations where they born to drug addicted parents.. this is sad, but continuing the stigmatism against drug addiction and maintaining a system where quality drug therapy, mental health, and other health care in a place where it is inaccessible for most will only promote and continue this problem.. If these people are required to buy their drugs from a person educated in these fields I think the actual harm will go down. How do you feel that the current system protects against or deals with this problem that is so beneficial?

Also since the health care system is one of the biggest promoters of drug addiction and one of its greatest beneficiary I cant see how it costs them money.. its making them rich!! Don't forget to to make the realization that if it is said to impose huge costs there is also someone making huge money. And with legalization and the money made through taxation the addicts and users will be able to pay for all their needs plus i'm sure allot of the non users.. still waiting to see some of the taxes on cigarettes in the us go for what those insane taxes were ment.. always seems to get appropriated for some other use doesn't it.
 
Also since the health care system is one of the biggest promoters of drug addiction and one of its greatest beneficiary I cant see how it costs them money.. its making them rich!!

exactly

mdea im not going to sit here and argue about politics or even morality with anyone because I don't really give a fuck about your morals but agree to disagree I guess
 
I'm a little surprised the article explains exactly how to access silk road. Talk about making it easy for people who can't figure it out themselves...
 
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