Opioids Should withdrawals continue to get worse after a week?

[pasha]

Not true. They can be very effective for non-maintence if used properly... A short one month taper on either methadone or bupe can be really benifical. The doctors and shit make it sound like those meds can only be used and should only be used for very long periods of time, but that's just because they are greedy bastards and want you to keep paying every month, more so with bupe.

I don't see how switching one opioid with another opioid could provide any benefits. Especially when methadone, buprenorphine and other synthetics sometimes have more severe and more drawn out withdrawal symptoms. Opioids at least IME provide very little relief compared to benzodiazepines when tapered. At least for me, it's just a question of suffering withdrawal now, or suffering it in a month. As you probably know opioids have the highest relapse rates of any drug, so maintenance drugs are there to cater to that.

 

[pasha]

Now there's an interesting thought. I never tried that but it sounds like it could have potential. Can you please tell me what the benefits are of doing it that way? Have you or anyone else you know tried it that way ? I just want to make sure that taking the Oxycodone continuously in small dose through out the day isn't going to end up making me worse. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea but one thing concerns me and thats if I start taking it more regularly, (even though its relatively smaller doses) my body might crave it more often once I give it up.

If there is one thing I've done well over the 5 years of using Oxycodone is that I've kept my dose down to once a day, with the exception of trying to quit where i take an extra secondary dose to get me through as described earlier. So I'm afraid to mess that up, unless off course you say it won't change my frequency of use in the long run. Thanks for your help, I look forward to trying out your method.

The idea of that is to keep steady blood levels of the drug in your system to feel minimal discomfort. Taking X amount at once or taking X amount in divided doses won't have any bearing on the severity of withdrawal. I'm glad you have some tramadol and I hope it's time release, as much like kratom it could provide a lot of relief once you reach the end of your taper.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I don't see how switching one opioid with another opioid could provide any benefits. Especially when methadone, buprenorphine and other synthetics sometimes have more severe and more drawn out withdrawal symptoms. Opioids at least IME provide very little relief compared to benzodiazepines when tapered. At least for me, it's just a question of suffering withdrawal now, or suffering it in a month. As you probably know opioids have the highest relapse rates of any drug, so maintenance drugs are there to cater to that.

The point is to give people an option to just going cold turkey, which a lot of people never fully get through because the severity of symptoms from acute withdrawal from a full agonist like heroin, can get pretty brutal.. especially over time and length of use. You don't have to use them for maintenance.. they are powerful chemicals that don't simply have one use.. Both methadone and bupe, if used for a short period of time and on a continuous taper, can make it so one feels relatively no serious withdrawal symptoms at all, allowing them to get over the psychical hurtle that is so challenging, and then start focusing on the mental aspect.. However, you will never get there if you can't finish a detox. While it is important for people to go through cold turkey withdrawal at least once in their life... years and years of it is very hard on your system and not healthy in the slightest. Tapering with a drug that has a much longer half-life like methadone or bupe can save a lot of people and does so on a daily basis, forgetting about the maintenance aspect that is crammed down our throats.

 

[hefe1313]

it helps because you aren't just jumping ship from a 150mg oxy /day habit. so, if you switch from oxy to methadone, and start methadone at say, 60mg, you can lower this dose to say 5mg then jump ship, this jumping ship will NOT be as bad a withdrawl than jumping from a high dose.
get it now?

I don't see how switching one opioid with another opioid could provide any benefits. Especially when methadone, buprenorphine and other synthetics sometimes have more severe and more drawn out withdrawal symptoms. Opioids at least IME provide very little relief compared to benzodiazepines when tapered. At least for me, it's just a question of suffering withdrawal now, or suffering it in a month. As you probably know opioids have the highest relapse rates of any drug, so maintenance drugs are there to cater to that.

 

[Tommyboy]

The point is to give people an option to just going cold turkey, which a lot of people never fully get through because the severity of symptoms from acute withdrawal from a full agonist like heroin, can get pretty brutal.. especially over time and length of use. You don't have to use them for maintenance.. they are powerful chemicals that don't simply have one use.. Both methadone and bupe, if used for a short period of time and on a continuous taper, can make it so one feels relatively no serious withdrawal symptoms at all, allowing them to get over the psychical hurtle that is so challenging, and then start focusing on the mental aspect.. However, you will never get there if you can't finish a detox. While it is important for people to go through cold turkey withdrawal at least once in their life... years and years of it is very hard on your system and not healthy in the slightest. Tapering with a drug that has a much longer half-life like methadone or bupe can save a lot of people and does so on a daily basis, forgetting about the maintenance aspect that is crammed down our throats.

The other benefit of tapering with these drugs is to give the person a month or so to get away from "the scene" so that when they get off of the subs/methadone it shouldn't be as tempting or easy to just call your oxy, dope, etc, connect up for a high. So even if you are still going to feel these withdrawals a month later, at least you are a little more removed from the daily routine of copping to just give in so easily.

 

[pasha]

a full agonist like heroin, can get pretty brutal.. especially over time and length of use.

Methadone is also a full agonist.

Withdrawal symptoms have shown to be up to twice as severe than those of morphine or heroin at equivalent doses and are significantly more prolonged; methadone withdrawal symptoms can last for several weeks or more.

The track record of opiate replacement therapy, while not perfect, has permitted hundreds of thousands of Americans (and millions more world wide) to achieve a reduction in the number and severity of relapses to illicit opiate use & associated costs to society in terms of criminal activity (burglary, theft, robbery, muggings) necessary to obtain money for drugs

I just don't see the point, however that's not say many people don't benifit from it. Is it good for maintenance, absolutely. Is it effective for dramatically minimizing withdrawal symptoms such as in a benzodiazepine taper, I have my doubts but ill certainly look into it.

Tommyboy in that respect you make a more than valid point.

 

[wvdude]

. Also, going back and forth from being clean and using, makes each withdrawal cycle longer and more painful.

That's what I had experience. I figured out when I was using I was always either in a beginning state of withdrawal or able to use.
Miserable rollercoaster.

 

[potatodaddyHater2]

I used 10 subs to quit a pretty bad opiate habit, like 100-200 a day in about 10 days. This is what I did. Monday-took one sub. tuesday and wed I messed up, then I was determined, tr, f,st,s,m,t, and wednesday I took nothing. The worst day was Day 6, probably due to lack of sleep, but as for the cold turkey WDs I've felt before, this was a better option. Now I am out of subs and actually started feeling decent by day 5, 6 was worse for some reason(I drank on day 5 thats why) and 7 was normal. I also took plenty of immodium, water, alpha acid, milk thistle, not many pain relievers, was never in pain or had a fever. What are PAWS like? What should I expect?

 

[potatodaddyHater2]

I am on day 7 of cold turkey. The previous 2 days, before I started cold turkey I took 50mg once and 20mg once. Today is day 7 of 0.
I still feel a little sick, last night i woke up for the first time all week after 4 hours and sick, whats going on?

 

[potatodaddyHater2]

Using a friends account, I haven't spoken to him in years but I'm sure he won't mind.