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Should people be allowed to have sex with animals?

Having a moral dilemma?;)

No it shouldnt be legal.....

If confused, read the gay marriage thread about how the above rebuttal is rediculous.....

DD has explained it several times(in several gay marriage arguements. Where u rebut that if gay marriage is allowed then 50 yrs down the line john will fight for his right to marry his dog spot) and i dont think he'll give much of an explanation of why he closed this thread...
 
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^No as in "no it shouldnt be allowed", or, no as in "no it shouldnt be illegal"?

Edit: I am not sure what you are talking about regarding DD and closing a thread. I am just curious of what you and everyone else thinks. Should it be legal or illegal?
 
I won't close the thread, it's a legit discussion about morality and ethics.

Some, I promise you.. will jump in this thread and promote a "zoophilia" attitude. This is seperate from beastiality. The difference being.. is who initiates the sex. With zoophilia, it's the animal showing a common affection and/or confusion. Normally seen when animals are in heat. Beastiality is when you rape an animal.

Do i think such a thing should be legal on the books? No. This behavior i do not wish to promote, and the line between zoophilia and beasiality is so thin, it would be easy to cross it, and never be able to distinguish in a court room really. An animal can't testify. An animal can't really defend itself physically either.. especially when you're talking about smaller animals.

When i hear of rodents, gerbils especially, being declawed in order to be inserted into someone's ass (more common than you think)... or even women luring dogs to lick them by smearing their genitalia with peanut butter or honey, i think it's flat out wrong. No the latter really does not hurt anyone, but still... i don't think any legislation should EVER be placed to support this type of behavior.

Whether its animal cruelty or not ( but usual it is), i would never support such a thing.

On said note, I don't think this has anything to do with homosexuality. Like i said, an animal cannot consent.
 
well uhm
i'm not sure why you're asking ;)
but...
(heh, j/k)

i think "zoophilia" (as described above) should be legal
why not...?
but yea, i agree with the rest of what DD said
and i don't think many cases of zoophilia go on...ya know...
hmm
but yea
i don't see why not, i guess
that's kind of a weird concept...
hmm
whoa
well
i don't think i'll be doing it anytime soon...
 
No It should not be legal, I hear it's legal in florida though... or at least there are no laws against it.

It's kinda sad that we need these laws in place...

Ahem, declining values and morals.
 
I don't think morals and values are declining by any means. People have doing things to animals for hundreds of years. It now is just far more publicized.
 
DigitalDuality said:

When i hear of rodents, gerbils especially, being declawed in order to be inserted into someone's ass (more common than you think)...
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Can u support this claim?;)
 
If so, then animals should have the right (be allowed) to bite/scratch/claw/maul/kill humans.

How else would you treat your rapist?
 
Zoophilia and Beastiality are two different things, is what I'm hearing here. And this distinction is based on consent?

As far as I can tell, the only thing "zoophilia" means is an erotic fixation directed towards non-humans. If someone acts upon these feelings, why shouldn't it be completely legal?

PS: My personal belief is that we don't need laws to govern our behaviour

Also, anyone who claims that sex with an animal should be illegal (due to lack of consent) better be a damn strict vegan.
 
Why polarize an issue?

I can support eating meat of farm animals, and stand against being cruel to them.. and push for a more and more comfortable way for them to be put to rest. I'm not about to deny our nature are omnivores, but i'm not going to advocate torturing animals as some of these places do.

Take.. Circuses and pets for example. I don't think we should be bringing animals in from the wild. I have no problem in domesticated animals.. or animals being bred for this purpose. Elephants for instance have always been in circuses. They should breed those elephants specifically for that instead on getting more of them from the wild.

Why should a human be allowed to rape an animal? Beyond ethics, do you know how many diseases this could spread into the human population that's not present currently?

And if you don't think laws should govern us, then what about murder? rape? theft? assault and battery? You don't think laws should be in place for that?
 
^^^ Right, I see what you are saying, but it's just my personal belief, based on my own convictions. I don't have any desire to murder anyone, steal from anyone, assault anyone, or rape anyone. And I ESPECIALLY have no desire to rape an animal. It's just my personal code, and my political views reflect that.

But about the legality of zoophilia related behaviours, don't just assume that it is "rape" when someone engages in a sex act with an animal. There are a small number of people out there with a healthy respect towards animals, along with a sexual attraction. Visit any zoophilia forum, and you'll see that, just like any fetish, the vast majority of adherents are respectable people...while a few do bad things. You can't attack zoophilic desires by calling it "rape."

And I still don't agree about the diet thing. If you think it is wrong to have sex with a pig...and you are a rational, consistent moral being...then you had better not be eating pigs. That's just common sense to me. It is way less harmful to have sex with something than it is to kill it. I don't know, that just strikes me as a big DUH.

But what is up with this: "Elephants have always been in circuses. They should breed those elephants specifically for that instead of getting more of them from the wild."

Are you advocating that we specifically create life in order to enslave it for our own juvenile entertainment? And are you claiming that this is somehow more ethical than say...getting it on with a couple sheep out on the farm?

Come on :)
 
protovack said:
But about the legality of zoophilia related behaviours, don't just assume that it is "rape" when someone engages in a sex act with an animal. There are a small number of people out there with a healthy respect towards animals, along with a sexual attraction. Visit any zoophilia forum, and you'll see that, just like any fetish, the vast majority of adherents are respectable people...while a few do bad things. You can't attack zoophilic desires by calling it "rape."
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I'm not attacking zoophilia. It's not my thing, i think it's sick. But immoral? no. What i was saying was of a legal nature. The line between consent and non-consent is a thin line. If zoophilia being acted upon is legal, and beastiality not.. who's going to make that distinction is a court room to whether an animal was raped or not. The first post asked if it should be legal, and i say no. Also, due to the fact that animals are or can be at the will of human control.. the likiliness of someone that consentually has animals come on to them will go out and rape said animal.. or another animal.. is probably pretty high. The population of people that actually do this is so incredibily miniscule, i do not think it should be an issue for legalization.


And I still don't agree about the diet thing. If you think it is wrong to have sex with a pig...and you are a rational, consistent moral being...then you had better not be eating pigs. That's just common sense to me. It is way less harmful to have sex with something than it is to kill it. I don't know, that just strikes me as a big DUH.
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There's a difference between a swift death.. and what could be percieved as torture. There's far worse things than death, unfortunately.

But what is up with this: "Elephants have always been in circuses. They should breed those elephants specifically for that instead of getting more of them from the wild."

Are you advocating that we specifically create life in order to enslave it for our own juvenile entertainment? And are you claiming that this is somehow more ethical than say...getting it on with a couple sheep out on the farm?

Come on :)
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Advocating? No. But taking a middle ground for the sake of society? yes. People are not going to give up their pets, circuses, or even meat products. I'm advocating that the "least" we could do, is not rape the animal kingdom or natural world around us any further than we already have.

And when it comes to domesticated animals.. such as dogs and cats, it would be more cruel to release them back into the wild. Their instincts have been atrophied over the centuries, their hunting and self defense abilities have are included into this.
 
In answer to the first question, the current situation in most places is that people should not have sex with animals. Society won't allow it on moral and legal grounds.

However people go ahead and do it anyway and we can't watch every farm owner and gerbil owner all the time to make sure they don't take advantage of their animals.

So if you are asking what I personally think about people having sex with animals, then I would say that I think it is revolting and just another form of animal cruelty. People found abusing animals this way should be punished using the full extent of the law. However i know that this is a problem that will be with us until animal "lovers" drop dead by some mutated form of foot and mouth.

Aren't there theories out there that this is the way AIDS started?
 
ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL

and I am surprised at you SoHi to even be asking - ecch, if anyone says yes it should be legal to this is going to make my blood boil.
 
Oh and the other thing I was going to say - is it would be for this and this reason only that I would kill without remorse - cruelty of any kind to animals - you blow your j smoke in a cats face, I am going to smack you upside the head, you look lustfully at the dog, you better run, you harm any animal unnecessarily and hurtfully, take the gun out of my hand or run away erratically (I am a good shot)


However, flies you can do what you like to and I for one am about to splat this big bugger dancing around my desk!
 
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