Should Barack Obama and Cindy McCain be in Jail?

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On January 20th 2009, either the president of the United States will be a man who used to snort coke to ease his blues, or the First Lady will be a former drug addict who stole from charity to get her next fix. In this presidential campaign, there are dozens of issues that have failed to flicker into the debate, but the most striking is the failing, flailing 'War on Drugs.' Isn't it a sign of how unwinnable this 'war' is that, if it was actually enforced evenly, either Barack Obama or Cindy McCain would have to skip the inauguration -- because they'd be in jail?

At least their time in the slammer would feature some familiar faces: they could share a cell with Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and some 46 percent of the U.S. population.

The prohibition of drugs is perhaps the most disastrous policy currently pursued by the U.S. government. It hands a vast industry to armed criminal gangs, who proceed to kill at least excess 10,000 citizens a year to protect their patches. It exports this program of mass slaughter to Mexico, Colombia and beyond. It has been a key factor in reviving the Taliban in Afghanistan. It squanders tens of billions of dollars on prisons at home, ensuring that one in 31 adults in the U.S. now in prison or on supervised release at any one time. And it has destroyed an entire generation of black men, who are now more likely to go to prison for drug offenses than to go to university.

And for what? Prohibition doesn't stop people using drugs. Between 1972 and 1978, eleven U.S. states decriminalized marijuana possession. So did hundreds of thousands of people rush out to smoke the now-legal weed? The National Research Council found that it had no effect on the number of dope-smokers. None. The people who had always liked it carried on; the people who didn't felt no sudden urge to start.

So where's the debate? The candidates have spent more time discussing froth and fancies -- how much air is in your tires? -- than this $40 billion-a-year 'war."

They should be forced to listen to Michael Levine, who had a thirty year career as one of America's most distinguished federal narcotics agents. In his time, he infiltrated some of the biggest drugs cartels in the world -- and he now explains, in sad tones, that he wasted his time. In the early 1990s, he was assigned to eradicate drug-dealing from one New York street corner -- an easy enough task, surely? But he quickly learned that even this was physically impossible, given the huge demand for drugs. He calculated that he would need one thousand officers to be working on that corner for six months to make an impact -- and there were only 250 drugs agents in the whole city. One of the residents asked him, "If all these cops and agents couldn't get this one corner clean, what's the point of this whole damned drug war?"

When Levine penetrated to the very top of la Mafia Cruenza, one of the biggest drug-dealing gangs in the world, he learned, as he puts it, "that not only did they not fear our war on drugs, they actually counted on it… On one undercover tape-recorded conversation, a top cartel chief, Jorge Roman, expressed his gratitude for the drug war, calling it 'a sham put on the American tax-payer' that was 'actually good for business'." He was right -- prohibition is the dealer's friend. They depend on it. They thrive on it, just as Al Capone thrived on alcohol prohibition. When Levine recounted these comments to his boss -- the officer in command of the paramilitary operation attacking South America -- he replied, "Yeah, we know [the police and military battles against drug gangs] don't work, but we sold the plan up and down the Potomac."

Yet virtually no politicians are exposing this scandal. A rare and heroic exception is Jim Webb, Senator for Virginia. In his brilliant new book Born Fighting, he says "the hugely expensive antidrug campaigns we are waging around the world are basically futile." He even goes further, and exposes how this intersects with racism to create a monstrous injustice. The ACLU found in 2006 that although the races use drugs at the same rate, black Americans -- who comprise 12 percent of the population -- make up 74 percent of all drug offenders sentenced to prison.

Webb shows the human cost: "Even as I write these words, it is virtually certain that somewhere on the streets of Washington D.C. an eighteen year-old white kid from the Maryland or North Virginia suburbs is buying a stash of drugs from an eighteen year-old black kid. The white kid is going to take that stash back to the suburbs and make some quick money by selling it to other kids." He will grow up and grow out of it, and one day -- as a wealthy professional -- he will "look back on his drug use just as recreational and joke about it … just one more little rebellion on the way to adulthood."

But the black kid "will enter a hell from which he may never recover." He is likely to be arrested, and to go to prison. "Prison life will change the black kid, harden him, mess up his mind, and redefine his self-image. And after he is released from prison, the black kid will be dragging an invisible ball and chain behind him for the rest of his life … By the time the white kid reaches fifty years of age, he may well be a judge. By the time the black kid reaches fifty, he will likely be permanently unemployable, will be ineligible for many government assistance programs, and will not even be able to vote." Barack Obama only narrowly missed this fate. He would not be the Great Black Hope he deserves to be; he wouldn't even be allowed to cast a ballot in 2008.

Of course, ending drug prohibition may seem impossible now. But in 1924, even as vociferous a wet as Clarence Darrow was in despair, writing that it would require "a political revolution" to legalize alcohol in the U.S. Within a decade, it was done.

Before this campaign is out, Obama needs to be asked: do you really think you should be in jail? McCain needs to be asked: do you really think your wife should be in jail? Both need to be asked: do you really think 46 percent of Americans should be criminalized? And if not, what are you going to do to begin ending this mad, unwinnable 'war on drugs'?

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Should Barack Obama and Cindy McCain be in Jail?
Johann Hari
Alternet
8.13.08
 
If they were caught doing drugs today, yeah, they should get the same punishment. But you know it doesn't matter which candidate wins the election, they will use their experiences to strengthen US drug policy. They will say how they learned what drugs did to them at that time and how the US should make policies in favor of enforcing current laws concerning the "War on Drugs". I have struggled with my own beliefs on current drug policies. Obviously, I am a user (an addict) and know how harmful drugs are (they can be useful, but as much as I love my drug of choice, it has ruined my life) Im not sure I'd be in favor legalizing drugs. I might loosen penalties on certain substances (weed, mushrooms and make penalties for crack and powder the same) but drugs in general would remain illegal. As much as we devote our lives to them and enjoy them, they are destructive, not only to ourselves, but also to our loved ones. The war on drugs may not be working, but it's what we have now and that's better than nothing, IMO.

--John McCain 08
 
StaffWriter said:
Obviously, I am a user (an addict) and know how harmful drugs are (they can be useful, but as much as I love my drug of choice, it has ruined my life) Im not sure I'd be in favor legalizing drugs. I might loosen penalties on certain substances (weed, mushrooms and make penalties for crack and powder the same) but drugs in general would remain illegal. (...) The war on drugs may not be working, but it's what we have now and that's better than nothing, IMO.

Are you kidding?

Did the drug war make it any less hard for you to get your "drug of choice" whatever that might be? Whatever your drug is, IT'S ILLEGAL. And yet you have it. And yet it destroyed your life. And yet it hurt your loved ones.

And you can bet at least somewhere up the supply chain from you, it ruined lives. Not because the drug was harmful, but because someone was risking their ass to bring you "your drug of choice." You appear to be a free citizen who isn't afraid that their parole might be broken by visiting a drug bulletin board. Do you believe everyone up your supply chain is also still free and walking around outside of prison walls?

It's this kind of logic that keeps this wasteful war on drugs going. "If we make drugs illegal, we can protect our citizens." ..... well, you're still a junkie. Fat lot of good making your drug illegal did for society.
 
StaffWriter said:
If they were caught doing drugs today, yeah, they should get the same punishment. But you know it doesn't matter which candidate wins the election, they will use their experiences to strengthen US drug policy. They will say how they learned what drugs did to them at that time and how the US should make policies in favor of enforcing current laws concerning the "War on Drugs". I have struggled with my own beliefs on current drug policies. Obviously, I am a user (an addict) and know how harmful drugs are (they can be useful, but as much as I love my drug of choice, it has ruined my life) Im not sure I'd be in favor legalizing drugs. I might loosen penalties on certain substances (weed, mushrooms and make penalties for crack and powder the same) but drugs in general would remain illegal. As much as we devote our lives to them and enjoy them, they are destructive, not only to ourselves, but also to our loved ones. The war on drugs may not be working, but it's what we have now and that's better than nothing, IMO.

--John McCain 08

From what you said right there,no personal attacks. Did you even read the article? Have you even done any research on this subject? edited.
 
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StaffWriter said:
Obviously, I am a user (an addict) and know how harmful drugs are (they can be useful, but as much as I love my drug of choice, it has ruined my life) Im not sure I'd be in favor legalizing drugs. I might loosen penalties on certain substances (weed, mushrooms and make penalties for crack and powder the same) but drugs in general would remain illegal. As much as we devote our lives to them and enjoy them, they are destructive, not only to ourselves, but also to our loved ones. The war on drugs may not be working, but it's what we have now and that's better than nothing, IMO.

--John McCain 08

Alcohol nearly ruined my life several times, and used to be my drug of choice, and is to many Americans. But I dont believe it should be illegal, and I seriously doubt Americans in general would approve alcohol prohibition again.

Many things are destructive to ourselves and our loved ones, and as unfortunate and unpleasant as these things in life are, they are obviously a fact of life. The hard times are what we learn and grow from. The addictions we develop due to a deep seated psychological discontent need to be addressed by mental health professionals, not police with chains, guns, and unending fines. Occasional users definitely don't need to have their lives ruined as examples in this cultural war.

If the War on Drugs is not working, then we shouldn't just keep funneling billions of dollars into it because its 'better than nothing'. The practical thing to do would be to change policy to something that works.
Unfortunately, the current policy is working, very well in fact, for the black market sales of drugs and increasing the money, power, and influence of local and international organized crime. Are these organizations perhaps using their influence to make sure their money keeps coming in? Who knows. But what we do know is that those making and sustaining the laws regarding drugs are either willfully ignorant, or they are in the pockets of those who benefit from our current drug policy.
 
Beenhead said:
that article is a tad ridiculous


The whole 'debate' is ridiculus IMO. I think just about everyone knows it isn't working. We should be debating how to change things so we come up with something a bit more socially proactive IMO.
 
It is a little over the top, but it does raise some good points; the disparity between arrest rates, the fact that neither are mentioning the War on Drugs, and how it's an utter failure.


Before this campaign is out, Obama needs to be asked: do you really think you should be in jail? McCain needs to be asked: do you really think your wife should be in jail?
And I'd especially like to hear them answer those questions. =D
 
At least their time in the slammer would feature some familiar faces: they could share a cell with Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and some 46 percent of the U.S. population.

I think that shows how absurd the war on drugs is. If we locked up everyone that is "eligible" you couldn't afford to keep them all locked and to what ends exactly? What does it achieve?
 
That is a fantastic article. I think it is stupid some of the laws in the US, they will never win the war on drugs don't they understand that! The sooner they do the sooner things will get brighter...
 
The War on Drugs has to be the thickest wool cloth ever pulled over our eyes. These things were implemented for a reason, and they continue to be enforced for more reasons. All of which revolve around taxation, and secret connections involving the CIA and other agencies being intertwined with the drug lords. Those pockets are getting lined, and to think anything to damper this will happen is insane.
 
The war on drugs may not be working said:
Like others have said, you seem to have missed a lot of the points. THe most important being, IT'S FUCKING EXPENSIVE, and we are paying for it. Expensive, and completely non-effective. Sounds like I'd rather have NOTHING. IMO
 
I think the War on Drugs is working too well because the only street drugs that I can get with any ease are pot, cocaine, and maybe ecstasy.
 
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Fuck Mc Cain... He Should Be Put Behind Bars For Smoking A Fuck"n Joint Or Having Some Coke<< Or Some Pills.... Fuck You Mccain Drop Dead Of Painful Cancer!!!! Obama 08 The Only Hope For America!!!
 
i awoke to read this article this morning and found it to be a fucking excelent read.... all i can really say as comment is well.........
America: a savage hypocricy:|
so so testament to the world in which we live... and so verry true, the proabition thing was interesting,, i live 4 the day of the political revolution that would win so called war on drugs (4 us that is):D but something tells me theres a lot and i mean a FUCKING lot of work to be done so as much as id like to im not holding my breath:|
 
FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE who are thinking they should be punished... Calling America a savage hypocrisy...

The majority of this site is in favor of legalization or decriminalization of some sort. We all bitch about how terrible the drug laws are, how meaningless and futile the drug war is, myself included. So by this logic, why is past drug use by the the (fully powerless) potential firt lady such a big deal. Even Obama- who cares if he used drugs.

That is the point those of us who oppose the drug war are trying to make- going to jail or prison with violent/ sex offenders is just not right- Alternative rehabilition, or something.. its complex, but PRISON is simply not the answer for a good percentage of drug users.

I think its bullshit we want to end the war on drugs and some of y'all want to throw these people in prison.. the exact thing we are fighting to put an end to.

Get a grip guys! if it was your close friend or relative, who had cleaned up, turned their life around and now live a successful life (much less devoting themselves to helping our country) it is not right to throw him in jail or even criticize him for past drug use.

Besides, the prosecution window shattered yrs ago..
 
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