Speedy
Bluelighter
Sending drugs through the mail is a stupid idea and the other point why would you bother ???
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Shipping Drugs?
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HomeWrecker
Bluelighter
Originally posted by Speedy:
Sending drugs through the mail is a stupid idea and the other point why would you bother ???
I can think of a few possible reasons
-Getting drugs that are hard to find and unavailable to you otherwise
-Getting cheaper drugs because of high prices in your area
-Getting purer drugs because of sketchy characters in your area (unlikely, but possible)
-It's a good way to stay in touch with friends
VoodooChick
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i'm trying to get my friend to send me some acid through the mail coz i cant get any where i'm at.
but she's a little paranoid about it getting stopped at customs or something like that.
i think some blotters in a greeting card should get through without a hitch right?
any opinions?
but she's a little paranoid about it getting stopped at customs or something like that.
i think some blotters in a greeting card should get through without a hitch right?
any opinions?
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
Why does it feel like I answered this a million times before?
1) CAN THE DOGS SMELL IT? - And to answer that, ONLY IF THEY ARE TRAINED TO ALERT TO THAT SCENT .. dongs are not trained to smell "drugs" but rather SPECIFIC SUBSTANCES... you could have a paper bag packed with the smelliest marijuana inthe world, well, if the dog isn't SPECIFICALLY trained to smell marijuaua, that dog wont alert (the thing is, just about ALL drug dogs are trained to alert to weed) .. as for MDMA - we are seeing more and more dogs trained to detect ecstasy, but still, there are many that can't ... most drug dogs are trained to smell cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and SOME can pickup amphetamines (which doesn't actually entail MDMA)
2) You REALLY can't mask the scent if the package comes in contact with a dog trained to smell whatever it is thats in there ... you CAN seal it in such a way where the scent is contained, but shit like "throw in black pepper" or "cover it with alcohol" wont work...
3) If mailing within the US you're really rather safe .. of course the less number of people that handle it the better, so sending it express or overnight is better ...
4) In terms of who so ship with - it's really all about the same... yes, it's true the post office needsa warrant to search mail, but honestly, if they want to open it it can happen, and if a dog alerts thats all the probable cause they need .. as for the private guys - they are in the business of shipping packages - the more packages they ship, they more money they make.. they dont have time to pay any more attention to a package then ittakes to get it where it needs to go... now it it's leaking white powder thats differn't, burt it's not l;ike FedEX has employees that hang around opening packages searching for drugs....
Personally I stick withthe good ole USPS - sure, the charges are heavier if you get caught but it'sthe easiest way to ship...
What SHOULD you do?
1) Use a REAL RETURN ADDRESS - yours if you wish but it doesn't matter, as long as it's legit.. a package WITHOUT a return address may draw attention - anyone shipping any LEGIT package will CERTINLY put a return address on it!
2) Don't use excessive postage - this is another one because of people that want to avoid going into the post office... if you don't want to go in (I always just went in and shipped it as I normally would) then find out EXACTLY HOW MUCH it will cost to send and use that much .. if you're shipping a gram of heroin in an envelope you do NOT NEED $2.00 IN STAMPS!
3) If shipping express or any "special" means then you gotta go in the post office... wthis one IDIOT sent something express, put on one of those $13.00 stamps and tossed it in a mailbox, well, the copy of the shipping reciept was mailed tothe return addresss he used - but c'mon, if yer shipping something express you GO IN THE POST OFFICE and do business like a NORMAL FUCKING PERSON .. this person was not too bring, in fact he was running a scam... well, he wont be scamming anyone else again (lets leave it at that!)
So just don't ship weed or coke and you should be good .. of course ship like its just a NORMAL PACKAGE!
1) CAN THE DOGS SMELL IT? - And to answer that, ONLY IF THEY ARE TRAINED TO ALERT TO THAT SCENT .. dongs are not trained to smell "drugs" but rather SPECIFIC SUBSTANCES... you could have a paper bag packed with the smelliest marijuana inthe world, well, if the dog isn't SPECIFICALLY trained to smell marijuaua, that dog wont alert (the thing is, just about ALL drug dogs are trained to alert to weed) .. as for MDMA - we are seeing more and more dogs trained to detect ecstasy, but still, there are many that can't ... most drug dogs are trained to smell cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and SOME can pickup amphetamines (which doesn't actually entail MDMA)
2) You REALLY can't mask the scent if the package comes in contact with a dog trained to smell whatever it is thats in there ... you CAN seal it in such a way where the scent is contained, but shit like "throw in black pepper" or "cover it with alcohol" wont work...
3) If mailing within the US you're really rather safe .. of course the less number of people that handle it the better, so sending it express or overnight is better ...
4) In terms of who so ship with - it's really all about the same... yes, it's true the post office needsa warrant to search mail, but honestly, if they want to open it it can happen, and if a dog alerts thats all the probable cause they need .. as for the private guys - they are in the business of shipping packages - the more packages they ship, they more money they make.. they dont have time to pay any more attention to a package then ittakes to get it where it needs to go... now it it's leaking white powder thats differn't, burt it's not l;ike FedEX has employees that hang around opening packages searching for drugs....
Personally I stick withthe good ole USPS - sure, the charges are heavier if you get caught but it'sthe easiest way to ship...
What SHOULD you do?
1) Use a REAL RETURN ADDRESS - yours if you wish but it doesn't matter, as long as it's legit.. a package WITHOUT a return address may draw attention - anyone shipping any LEGIT package will CERTINLY put a return address on it!
2) Don't use excessive postage - this is another one because of people that want to avoid going into the post office... if you don't want to go in (I always just went in and shipped it as I normally would) then find out EXACTLY HOW MUCH it will cost to send and use that much .. if you're shipping a gram of heroin in an envelope you do NOT NEED $2.00 IN STAMPS!
3) If shipping express or any "special" means then you gotta go in the post office... wthis one IDIOT sent something express, put on one of those $13.00 stamps and tossed it in a mailbox, well, the copy of the shipping reciept was mailed tothe return addresss he used - but c'mon, if yer shipping something express you GO IN THE POST OFFICE and do business like a NORMAL FUCKING PERSON .. this person was not too bring, in fact he was running a scam... well, he wont be scamming anyone else again (lets leave it at that!)
So just don't ship weed or coke and you should be good .. of course ship like its just a NORMAL PACKAGE!
Aiken Drum
Bluelighter
I´ve heard that the dogs detect drugs because of being addicted & they crave them & that´s why they detect them.
And when they get too dependant, they are killed. Is it true?
And when they get too dependant, they are killed. Is it true?
antEater
Bluelighter
No. That's quite absurd. Are bloodhounds addicted to human scent? No. Are minah birds addicted to gas? No. Do they get dogs addicted to crack so they can stop "terrorists?" No.
They make it a game. And dogs (and their little brains) like games.
They make it a game. And dogs (and their little brains) like games.
Hey actually that sounds like a great idea. They train the dogs by rewarding them for correct detection and perhaps punishing them for false positives. What more influential way to reward them then giving them some coke?
Unfortunately the dogs would have a bad habbit of eating all the evidence. And they wouldn't be able to spot psychedelics (animals in general dont self administer these).
On a related note what are people opinions about the safety of mailing vs. carrying personally on domestic flights?
Unfortunately the dogs would have a bad habbit of eating all the evidence. And they wouldn't be able to spot psychedelics (animals in general dont self administer these).
On a related note what are people opinions about the safety of mailing vs. carrying personally on domestic flights?
badboybrian
Bluelight Crew
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ahkuhstic
Bluelighter
well i was watching this tv show today where some guys friend recieved a little package from teh UK with vials in it.. package was marked as 'battery pack' and the return addy ont he back was to a Radio Shack from leeds..
another tv show i watched a yr ago, this guy knew a guy in austria who grew his own "flowers" and the guy sent 5gs in a REGULAR long envelope with the goods wrapped in black plastic.. it came.. stunk to hell but it came, with a "?" mark on the front.. but it still came..
you should watch more tv
another tv show i watched a yr ago, this guy knew a guy in austria who grew his own "flowers" and the guy sent 5gs in a REGULAR long envelope with the goods wrapped in black plastic.. it came.. stunk to hell but it came, with a "?" mark on the front.. but it still came..
you should watch more tv
I read all of these posts but I never read anywhere about the mailing address.
Say you are getting goodies shipped to you from another country...if the package gets confiscated won't they go to the person that is to receive the package as well? And if so shouldn't you change your mailing address? Perhaps use the same address but a different name? That was if they come knocking on your door you can deny any involvement?
Also as far as mailing it, I came up with an idea. If you were to ship pills I think it would be wise to buy one of those air-tight vacuum's you see on the infomercials...vacuum the bag and put it in a shampoo bottle? Could that be a possibility? I know I read that dogs can sniff anything...but even E out of a shampoo bottle? Could this method ruin the pills even in an airtight bag?
Say you are getting goodies shipped to you from another country...if the package gets confiscated won't they go to the person that is to receive the package as well? And if so shouldn't you change your mailing address? Perhaps use the same address but a different name? That was if they come knocking on your door you can deny any involvement?
Also as far as mailing it, I came up with an idea. If you were to ship pills I think it would be wise to buy one of those air-tight vacuum's you see on the infomercials...vacuum the bag and put it in a shampoo bottle? Could that be a possibility? I know I read that dogs can sniff anything...but even E out of a shampoo bottle? Could this method ruin the pills even in an airtight bag?
Well if Joe Blow (from the U.S.)had a connection in Amsterdam for E, I would assume the person in Amsterdam would be best off by taking the necessary sanitary actions (cleansing hands, changing gloves, etc...), then packing the E in a vacuumed tight bag and concealing it well in a box packaged with other things such as shoes or whatever or sending it in an overnight letter. This is what I would do...then fake the return address and for the mailing address...well...I don't know what would be done here.
[ 12 August 2002: Message edited by: prd_mnky ]
[ 12 August 2002: Message edited by: prd_mnky ]
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
1) Dogs being 'addicited' to the drugs... I had always heard that one method used was to actually get dogs addicited to cocaine but they (obviously) dont do this anymore - don't know if it's an urban ledgend or not, I'm sure someone will have a link ..
I thought this document was usefull: (I apologize to whoever wrote this, it's something I have had forever with no name attached) .. while about pharm's, it gives you an *IDEA* what the seizure process is like.. of course if yer smuggling a few thousand rolls or a few pounds of marijuana, you might get more then the standard form letter..
I wont even go into taking shit on airplanes - WAY to many varriables...
IMPORTING PHARMACEUTICALS
Buying pharmaceuticals from foreign countries is something most of us have considered at one time or another. Foreign suppliers can be found online, through catalogues, or from other means such as foreign contacts. Frequently people shy away from this option because of the risks involved. In fact, people are usually ignorant of what these risks actually are. The truth is that while importing medication is technically illegal, attempting to do so will not get you convicted of a crime. The trouble, then, is in locating a foreign source that minimizes the other obvious risk: that what you pay for will simply never arrive. Understanding import law can be a useful tool in selecting a reliable source for foreign medication.
When something is mailed to you from another country it must first go through Customs. Ideally, your package will elude Customs and be delivered directly to you. If it is not so lucky, it will be set aside for inspection by the Food and Drug Administration. Items are detained by the FDA if they appear to be in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. The first thing the FDA does is check the label of the medication. Items ordered from foreign countries are often not properly labeled. In this case they will be inadmissible unless any errors or omissions are corrected. If the drugs are properly labeled but appear to violate medical standards, the FDA may take a sample for chemical inspection. If they fail the inspection they will be refused entry. In addition, the sender of the medication cannot be a commercial or promotional entity. The FDA compiles lists of foreign corporations whose items it forbids.
When the FDA holds an item, it will contact you in one of several ways. You may receive a Notice of Refusal of Admission. If this is the case you are out of luck, your medicine has either been exported or destroyed by Customs. On the other hand, the FDA’s complaint may be correctible or disputable, in which case you will receive a Notice of Detention and Hearing. It is important to realize that if you receive either notice you are not being accused of a crime. You have five days to reply to the Notice of Detention and Hearing. You may do so in writing, on the phone, or in person. If you reply you will be told the FD&C violations your import has been charged with. Violations are generally selected from an automated list known as the Operational and Administrative System for Import Support. Most violations fall in to one of four categories: adulteration, misbranding, unapproved drug, and importation restricted drug. In some cases of misbranding you may be allowed to pay the cost of relabeling the drug. You will be required to fill out a two-page form (FD-766) detailing how you will have the drug relabeled. The FDA itself will offer you no assistance in this matter, but you may be able to find a company that will. If the violation is not correctable you can choose to have your mail exported to its country of origin, or disposed of by Customs. Either action will be completed with no additional cost to you.
If the drug itself meets standards then the complaint will be regarding your intent for its use. The FDA allows the importation of medication for personal use in some cases. If you have a prescription you’re in the clear, but the amount being imported must be reasonable. If you are buying some drugs with a prescription and some without, it is in your best interests to order them separately. You should have no problem at the hearing if you have a prescription for everything you received. However, having prescriptions for some and not others may cause Customs to refuse the whole shipment. If they refuse part of a shipment, it is possible to fill out form FD-766 and state that you will dispose of the refused part. Of course then you will only get what’s left, but it is better than nothing. Without a prescription you may still be able to work your way around the problem. One useful tactic is to claim you were diagnosed with a condition in a foreign country, and you are continuing treatment for it here.
They may ask you for documentation of this fact, or they may accept it at face value. Keep in mind that the worst thing that can happen is that Customs will refuse to give you your package. You cannot be criminally charge with anything, so taking a little creative license during your hearing is almost a must.
If you ignore the Notice of Detention and Hearing Customs will attempt to export the product. If they are unable to do so, it will be destroyed after 90 days. You should then receive the aforementioned Notice of Refusal of Admission. Depending on who your international source was, this notice may be useful. In all likelihood you have already paid for your medication, and the notice is proof you did not receive it. Some foreign companies claim they will reimburse you if you do not get what you paid for. However, if you show them the notice and they still refuse to give you your money back, there is nothing you can do. Don’t even bother going back to Customs; they will hear no such complaints.
Knowing now what you do, there are certain steps you can take to assure your international business affairs will run smoothly. Learn as much as you can about your source before buying from them. Ideally they offer inconspicuous packaging that will maximize the chances of the package passing through unnoticed. The bottles themselves should be clearly and properly labeled. Labels should include: the common name of the drug, the brand name when applicable, the size of the drug (usually in milligrams), the amount in the container, and any warnings required by U.S. law. Proper labeling will be conducive to the admission of your medication, but it does not ensure it. Most importantly, you will have the best chance of receiving medications that are FDA approved. Once the FDA has spotted a drug that is not approved for use in the states, it will be refused.
If you decided to reply to a Notice of Detention and Hearing, remain calm in the knowledge that you are safe. Learn as much as you can about the medication you are trying to purchase before you attempt to dispute the detention. Let them know that you understand the restrictions on imported pharmaceuticals, and that you complied with them in every way possible. Go into the hearing with a believable story about why you chose to order medication abroad. In many ways buying drugs from foreign countries, and getting those drugs through Customs, is guesswork. But possessing the right knowledge can make your guesses as educated as possible.
I thought this document was usefull: (I apologize to whoever wrote this, it's something I have had forever with no name attached) .. while about pharm's, it gives you an *IDEA* what the seizure process is like.. of course if yer smuggling a few thousand rolls or a few pounds of marijuana, you might get more then the standard form letter..
I wont even go into taking shit on airplanes - WAY to many varriables...
IMPORTING PHARMACEUTICALS
Buying pharmaceuticals from foreign countries is something most of us have considered at one time or another. Foreign suppliers can be found online, through catalogues, or from other means such as foreign contacts. Frequently people shy away from this option because of the risks involved. In fact, people are usually ignorant of what these risks actually are. The truth is that while importing medication is technically illegal, attempting to do so will not get you convicted of a crime. The trouble, then, is in locating a foreign source that minimizes the other obvious risk: that what you pay for will simply never arrive. Understanding import law can be a useful tool in selecting a reliable source for foreign medication.
When something is mailed to you from another country it must first go through Customs. Ideally, your package will elude Customs and be delivered directly to you. If it is not so lucky, it will be set aside for inspection by the Food and Drug Administration. Items are detained by the FDA if they appear to be in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. The first thing the FDA does is check the label of the medication. Items ordered from foreign countries are often not properly labeled. In this case they will be inadmissible unless any errors or omissions are corrected. If the drugs are properly labeled but appear to violate medical standards, the FDA may take a sample for chemical inspection. If they fail the inspection they will be refused entry. In addition, the sender of the medication cannot be a commercial or promotional entity. The FDA compiles lists of foreign corporations whose items it forbids.
When the FDA holds an item, it will contact you in one of several ways. You may receive a Notice of Refusal of Admission. If this is the case you are out of luck, your medicine has either been exported or destroyed by Customs. On the other hand, the FDA’s complaint may be correctible or disputable, in which case you will receive a Notice of Detention and Hearing. It is important to realize that if you receive either notice you are not being accused of a crime. You have five days to reply to the Notice of Detention and Hearing. You may do so in writing, on the phone, or in person. If you reply you will be told the FD&C violations your import has been charged with. Violations are generally selected from an automated list known as the Operational and Administrative System for Import Support. Most violations fall in to one of four categories: adulteration, misbranding, unapproved drug, and importation restricted drug. In some cases of misbranding you may be allowed to pay the cost of relabeling the drug. You will be required to fill out a two-page form (FD-766) detailing how you will have the drug relabeled. The FDA itself will offer you no assistance in this matter, but you may be able to find a company that will. If the violation is not correctable you can choose to have your mail exported to its country of origin, or disposed of by Customs. Either action will be completed with no additional cost to you.
If the drug itself meets standards then the complaint will be regarding your intent for its use. The FDA allows the importation of medication for personal use in some cases. If you have a prescription you’re in the clear, but the amount being imported must be reasonable. If you are buying some drugs with a prescription and some without, it is in your best interests to order them separately. You should have no problem at the hearing if you have a prescription for everything you received. However, having prescriptions for some and not others may cause Customs to refuse the whole shipment. If they refuse part of a shipment, it is possible to fill out form FD-766 and state that you will dispose of the refused part. Of course then you will only get what’s left, but it is better than nothing. Without a prescription you may still be able to work your way around the problem. One useful tactic is to claim you were diagnosed with a condition in a foreign country, and you are continuing treatment for it here.
They may ask you for documentation of this fact, or they may accept it at face value. Keep in mind that the worst thing that can happen is that Customs will refuse to give you your package. You cannot be criminally charge with anything, so taking a little creative license during your hearing is almost a must.
If you ignore the Notice of Detention and Hearing Customs will attempt to export the product. If they are unable to do so, it will be destroyed after 90 days. You should then receive the aforementioned Notice of Refusal of Admission. Depending on who your international source was, this notice may be useful. In all likelihood you have already paid for your medication, and the notice is proof you did not receive it. Some foreign companies claim they will reimburse you if you do not get what you paid for. However, if you show them the notice and they still refuse to give you your money back, there is nothing you can do. Don’t even bother going back to Customs; they will hear no such complaints.
Knowing now what you do, there are certain steps you can take to assure your international business affairs will run smoothly. Learn as much as you can about your source before buying from them. Ideally they offer inconspicuous packaging that will maximize the chances of the package passing through unnoticed. The bottles themselves should be clearly and properly labeled. Labels should include: the common name of the drug, the brand name when applicable, the size of the drug (usually in milligrams), the amount in the container, and any warnings required by U.S. law. Proper labeling will be conducive to the admission of your medication, but it does not ensure it. Most importantly, you will have the best chance of receiving medications that are FDA approved. Once the FDA has spotted a drug that is not approved for use in the states, it will be refused.
If you decided to reply to a Notice of Detention and Hearing, remain calm in the knowledge that you are safe. Learn as much as you can about the medication you are trying to purchase before you attempt to dispute the detention. Let them know that you understand the restrictions on imported pharmaceuticals, and that you complied with them in every way possible. Go into the hearing with a believable story about why you chose to order medication abroad. In many ways buying drugs from foreign countries, and getting those drugs through Customs, is guesswork. But possessing the right knowledge can make your guesses as educated as possible.
