Seroquel question

[Sublimit]

Yeah dude, they're available on the PBS, for 3 reasons. 1. Schizophrenia. 2. Bipolar disorder, used in conjunction with Lithium. 3. Bi-polar disorder. If you're poor like me, well then they can cost the Concession Card rate [snip].

hey thanks for that but it doesn't matter for me now as that same guy that gave me the 4x100 tablets just gave an almost full box of 90x100mg seroquel tablets

he said he wasn't taking them any more and i was at his house today and asked for some and he opened the fridge and handed me the box and said take it

Thats a lot of seroquel and i'm a bit scared i might abuse it... i know its something i shouldn't be taking regularly, i am already taking between 15 and 30 of mirtazapine at night and i know it can be prescribed together for different indications. I mean mirtapapine doesn't make me drowsy and help me sleep that much, would it bee feesable for a psychiatrist to indicate seroquel for sleep/insomnia related issues whilst mirtazipine acts as my mood stabilizer.... i googled it and found that some had been on both for that reason, but didn't read in to it that much.

I guess the best thing to do is to talk to a shrink and get a professional opinion, i wonder if 100mg at night with mirtazapine would fuck the status quo. I'm reluctant to take 100-200mg for a 3rd might running, and i definitely know it has a fast build-up of tolerance.... so maybe psych's only would indicate it for that short term? anyway thats a lot of seroquel.... can come in handy used as a tool for now i guess... i just don't want to disrespect it.... haven't dosed over 200mg except for the time with the CAT team dude.

whats the deal with keeping them in the fridge... was that guy just trippin or are you supposed to?

can the person with the most experience with seroquel please stand up, please stand up

 

[Sublimit]

Sorry my bold text offended. I was on Seroquel XR and IR daily for around 8 months, Invega for a while before that and was on Zyprexa for a while before that again. No, thats hardly all the antipsychotics out there, you're right. I don't take them anymore though because I really hated what happened after using them for a while. Anti-psychs are heavy-duty psychiatric drugs that have a host of negative side effects and should only really be taken by people with psychotic illnesses, they're not a happy pill.

Whatever though, thats just my opinion, I'm going to go snort some prozac 8)

Nah mate its alright. Didn't take offence to that at all i guess i've been coming across sharp and sarcastic towards you and stubborn in this thread. Sometimes i have to remind myself to be humble and sometimes step back and concede no matter how strongly you feel about something. i'm probably making a fuss over nothing, just felt a bit unfair when i bumped the thread, with what has turned out to be valid + an antidote(i try) all relatively applicable to the op and all i did was share my experience and ended up summing it up in a nutshell and then being told not to post like that. 2 NA meetings in one day i'm knackered i don't think i need a seroquel, but a lot of people were saying 25 50mg were good doses for sleep, i doubt that do shit for me because of 200 last 2 nites, 50mg wouldn't hurt i guess?

anyway OP has anyone been able to come up with a bioavalability for dif ROA'a for seroquel. I seldom plug and am used to only a tramadol plug experience. i think the effects would come on quite a lot harder.... i'm so wondering if i should plug 200mg rite now... i'll google it and see what i get, either way nite BL

well the oral BA is only 9%..... this has some full on crazy info on it http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/2845659.page and i found this inyeresting seeing what it says about the shite quality of the online seroquel near the bottom of the artical

NSFW:

Not according to my doctor, she told me FDA only requires drug companies to use 80% of the actual drug in generics. Not saying they all do that but i'm sure alot of them due. I can take 2 generic ambien and get nothing but alittle buzz feeling, but if i take one name brand i'm out like a light in a 1/2hr.

-JJ-

Thats not true. What can affect the efficacy of generic drugs are the inert fillers used and the sources which they use to produce the drugs. Bioequivalence and Bioavailability are factors when considering a generic drug. Formulating a drug in a different manner using different inert fillers can cause it to be utilized by the body at different rates, levels, and blood plasma concentrations. Also, the FDA only requires that the drug be within +/- 7% of the stated concentration. Meaning a 100mg tab could be 93mg's or 107mg's. There is not however any provision allowing them to only include 80% of the active ingredient. Additionally some generics are produced in other countries where the standards for manufacturing them may not be as stringent as a company like GSK, Phyzer, or AstraZeneca...The standards for production in third world countries is often lackadaisical.

fuck it i'm eating 100 and crashing,,..,. later


PSN, if i've pissed you off i'm sorry... I know i PM'd you and maybe was not the right way to go about things. I think you're a good mod and maybe you would write to me about being a better Blighter. what i'm doing wrong and how to be a better poster.. if you want

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

You haven't pissed me off at all, I just have better things to do than bitch and moan in this thread.

We're all entitled to our own opinions.

You never PM'd me either...

Sorry for coming down hard on you earlier in the thread, but I think you know as well as I do, that this medication, although it may be slightly recreational for you, is not a truly recreational drug and I don't believe it should be touted as such to other BLers. I think this is the point that most people are trying to get across in the thread. It may not be fact and yes a small percentage of people use it and get some recreational value, but as a whole, it is not and will never be, widely recognized as a recreational substance.

 

[S.M.F.G]

I got perscribed this once and bined it after a few days, 50 mg and total memory loss of that night, a solid sleep although i always seem to get up early morning to take a piss, but cant remember on that occasion, and fuck did it put me in a depressive state.... but maybe these r worth it if ur as said many times crashing offa stims n shit.

 

[Lolie]

Exactly and it's why i couldn't understand why a mod would feel the need to oppress this very concept of being entitled to an opinion on a public forum and justified it by putting my words out of context relative to my post.

arn't they under the PBS? if its indicated for something else then it would be a private script. but i don't see it being expensive. what would you call expensive? i know they have next to no value on the street.

Yah its action on dopamine alone is enough reason for me to only use it vary scarcely. I think once a week wouldn't hurt if it was for sleep, but i've been thinking of some melatonin for long term sleep regulation

It's an authority drug which PBS only covers for certain conditions. I have bipolar disorder so I pay the PBS price but my 90 x 100mg tablets (22 days supply) would cost someone with a private script (no prices) (the reason I don't take Lamictal is that it's not PBS approved for bipolar disorder and would cost me (no prices) per month on a private script).

As has already been mentioned, Seroquel acts as an antihistamine at low doses causing a sedating effect. It acts by different mechanisms at higher doses. It can have a dissociative effect, especially when you first start taking it or step up your dose - that was a feeling I kind of liked so I guess that's a possible recreational use if you like that feeling.

I find that I rarely get the vivid dreams I got when I first started taking it anymore and I kind of miss them.

I like its rapid onset and short half-life - it allows me to manipulate my mood to an extent that the XR version wouldn't but again that's more a therapeutic use than a recreational one.

The reason it's popular in prison is the same reason that benzos are popular in prison - it allows people to sleep the time away.

 

[wazza]

I've recently been taking seroquel, I've been a "3/4 insomniac" past 4 odd years of having nerve damage pain + pain med usage, that is I don't sleep 3/4 of the time or I get 1-2 hours sleep. It could be a side effect of hardly sleeping for past 22-23 years of stimulant usage but more than likely it's the pain + pain meds as I always slept "ok" when I wanted to until the motorbike accident + subsequent nerve damage + pain.

Anyway, I've been taking 25mg which is a good 6-8 hours sleep and a bit of hang over for an hour or so once I woke so I had the 25mg in half (on GPs advice from talking to him) and that was a nicer 6-7 hour sleep without the hang over. Past couple days, I've been "ugh" from pain as it's been cold + wet compared to the sunny weather we've had and I react 'worse' in cold weather for my pain, so I had a 25mg tablet each night the past 2 nights. WOW to the dreams I had last night, I was dreaming of the "old days" of the stimulant usage I used to do and complaining to a couple bl'ers (1 old, BigTrancer and 1 new, MrIbis - both whom I know away from the net) about how drugs these days 'suck' compared to the old days, even though I'm not really a "user" anymore, heh. I also got the 2 guys from mythbusters to join up and I gave them their tagline of "20 years in movies experience" or whatever it was and plus also had dreams of spending time in outerspace whilst talking to Ibis about life.

I couldn't imagine taking more than 25mg yet, I've probably had 10-12 nights usage of it in the 3 weeks for sleep. I think it's regulated me to a almost normal sleeping pattern, just not liking the COLD nights of the past 2-3 days with regards to pain, hence the usage again from stopping for like 4-5 days because I was feeling 'right' and sleeping 5-7 hour nights without waking up! 25-50mg should be enough to knock you out for ages for people without tolerance for sure.

 

[bergle]

^ I hardly ever use it to knock myself out and even the 25mg tablets do the trick for me. I suggest starting with less than half of the 200mg pill macca676

this. 200mg his a huge dose (for those that do not use it for it's real purposes), you'll be sleeping for a long time.

 

[Paulycodone]

Ok guys I have to step in here as the seroquel expert haha. I was on it for 4 years, 1200mg at night for 3, and 1600mg at night for 1.

The max FDA approved daily dose is 900mg or 1000mg.

Also, it can make some people have a seizure, and most people willl have seizure-like symptoms if they take too much or not used to it. Benedryl and benzodiazepines help with those side effects in case that happens to you. Other things help but you probably don't have anything like cogentin or artane.

Don't snort it, that's too much crap to put in your nose. If you swallow it yes you will be heavily sedated for awhile.

They do make seroquel XR or XL, I've taken that before and it's a slow release so is good for anxiety during the day etc, and not so sedating.

I got myself off of seroquel about 6 months ago with the help of medical marijuana, because I would not sleep or eat for like a week at a time for months, it took me like 4 months for the physical withdrawal to lessen lol.

Seroquel is an anti-psychotic, and is primarily for people who are schizophrenic, schizoaffective, or bi-polar. It decreases the levels of seratonin and dopamine, because people with a schizo-type disorder usually have way too much of those which causes them to hear voices and/or suffer hallucinations.

The starting dose is like 50mg, and it gets slowly increased. Some people will get to a level where they take 200mg in the morning and 400mg at night. I was having to take 600mg seroquel XL in the morning and 1600-2000mg at night. I slept sooo much, all the time, it was ridiculous lol.

Seroquel is very closely related to Zyprexa, but causes much less weight gain, but more sedation. It works for sleep reallly well if you don't have side effects, but you may get stuck on it and have a nightmare of a time getting off of it like I did

-Paul

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Technically antipsychotics actually increase extracellular dopamine and serotonin levels in the prefontal coretex and nucleus accumbens; they antagonize the receptors though so you do not feel that effect. The increased levels are a result of the antagonism I believe.

Don't mind my nit picking though.

I see some people are saying they don't like the antipsychotics for ending trips, that it just sedates you and doesn't make the trip go away. I can't speak for LSD, but when I was accidentally dosed with a large amount of DOx, risperidone really killed the trip for me and also brought down the very, very intense vasoconstriction that was scaring the hell out of me thanks to it's serotonin antagonist effects. I consider myself lucky I had it with me at the time.

 

[Slain]

Seroquel is the bomb for stopping or reaaaaally muffling an uneasy trip. You'll most likely sleep until the next night. Shit is serious lol.