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Sensation of "I".

"I" isn't really a thing. It's a label, our sense of self's and egos our really just attempts to cling at life. Think, if there is no real true "I" to die, just the physical body, and no there is no real inherent "self" or "I" to die, what does that mean? I believe being born, as the famous Alan Watts put it is like waking up after never having gone to sleep. There will always be an I sensation because we're all "I". "I" is a hefty trick, or illusion by the brain.
 
I've had the exact same thoughts as you, that the only thing that really dies when one dies is one's idea of themselves, but there will always be an awareness from someplace, sometime, in the universe, thus one never really dies.
 
Storms you literally said exactly what I was thinking but put it in a better way, all that dies is this fictitious, imagined idea of "who" we are. All over the world and the universe, maybe universes, are sentient beings having an experience of an "I" and thinking they are confined to that and that death is being locked up in the dark forever! "I" is "us" or "it" experiencing the world from billions of points of view!
 
^ that is true, we are all manifestations of the universe, experiencing itself and its other manifestations

even though, i like the sense of 'I', having an identity, knowing who you are. i'm not gonna start rambling about that now though.
 
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Yeh, except they are different things. The brain is the physical component, part of the body, to which the mind interfaces with, or sits in like a rider in a chariot.. they both clearly relate to each other and affecting change in one can cause effects in the other. But the mind is not some physical thing like the brain. Thoughts, emotions, these are transcendent things that show up as responses in the brain but they're not in the brain.

Like the ProphettoProfit mentioned about the screen.. our brains receive signals from our sensory apparatus and reconstruct this data. But where are we "seeing" or "hearing"? We're not actually seeing what is there, only a reconstruction. Even if you take reductionist thinking the brain takes in this data and then constructs this world we "see".. but again where do we see? There is no light in the brain, no image in the brain, just electrical activity. So again, where are we seeing this reconstructed world before us?

The same goes for imagination. Right now I can imagine a blue sports car and I can see it pretty clearly. Where is this image taking place? There is surely electrical activity happening in the brain but again there is no light, no image to be found, and yet I can witness this image quite clearly. This image is being projected upon something, from which I can then witness it.

The bit about OBE's/AP.. "nothing more than tricks".. this is "nothing more" than reductionist thinking. It happens, it's real, and it needs more investigation. "Tricks" is not a sufficient explanation.
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http://gizmodo.com/5843117/scientists-reconstruct-video-clips-from-brain-activity

And there's plenty more examples that I cba to dig up of brain activity being decoded. Thoughts, feelings, ideas and everything in between..

The mind is a product of the brain.

The image you "see" when imagining a car is being created by and perceived by the most complex thing known to man.. the human brain.. (That real life physical thing inside your head).. It's only a matter of time before we are able to decode a brain and recreate your imagined images..

And you're right, OBE's are real.. but the idea that "people" actually leave their body and SEE (without their eyes or brains) is.. well.. bullshit.
 
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rickolasnice said:
http://gizmodo.com/5843117/scientists-reconstruct-video-clips-from-brain-activity

And there's plenty more examples that I cba to dig up of brain activity being decoded. Thoughts, feelings, ideas and everything in between..

The mind is a product of the brain.

The image you "see" when imagining a car is being created by and perceived by the most complex thing known to man.. the human brain.. (That real life physical thing inside your head).. It's only a matter of time before we are able to decode a brain and recreate your imagined images..

And you're right, OBE's are real.. but the idea that "people" actually leave their body and SEE (without their eyes or brains) is.. well.. bullshit.
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Yeh but you're missing the point I was making. I'm sure you can decode signals from the brain using algorithms and such, but that doesn't mean that these things are arising in the brain necessarily does it. I understand that's the mainstream view, but I beg to differ. I see the brain as a receiver (and transmitter) to some external field or dimension. Like a TV or radio that shows us something the information does not arise inside those gadgets, it is received from another place. I believe the key to unlocking this mystery lies with the synapses and neurotransmitters functioning in a similar way to the spark plug inside an engine.. the spark/electricity/plasma is the key.. somehow facilitating communication to another state of matter or dimension.

Reductionist and materialist thinking about the brain is outdated. People cling to it out of fear, like most outdated dogma.

As for OBE's.. well, until you experience it directly it's all speculation. But I have. Many times. And since early childhood. It irrevocably shaped who I am and the course my life has taken. Knowing something like that but being told it's bullshit or not possible has caused great confusion to me, because I'm being asked to trust others or trust myself. And I know what I've experienced. It's like when you see a dead body.. you just know what you're seeing. It is direct.

I guarantee you you've had one, you just don't remember. I had one the other night and I only remembered during the day, something triggered the memory. Unfortunately you cling to the reductionist materialist worldview that you see with your eyes, which we know is bullshit anyway! You do not see with your eyes, you see with your mind. Your mind is where the reconstruction takes place and you witness that. But you place this limit on the mind being the brain, when it isn't.. the mind is something else and it is not limited physically to the body, hence why you able to see/perceive beyond the boundaries of the physical body.

I love science and everything, but I trust myself more than I trust other people. I know what I've experienced and it sticks in my mind much more than any other things that have happened in the "real" world.
 
These discussions are difficult to have because in order to delineate things semantically, people have to engage with the very ego that they claim they're reaching beyond. People who really "get" this tend to have a presence about them that projects beyond the mere voice of the subject matter. They simply transmit it, if you will.

My experience at this point is that there is a higher self calling the shots that is partially, but not completely, tied to subconsciousness. Ego can sometimes work with it (and thus mitigate suffering), but other times it simply cannot because the higher self does not typically follow a gratuitous model that ingratiates the ego. Thus they come into conflict. We are all living from the higher self more or less, it's just ego that thinks it has choice in the matter. Those who project into the world as the voice of their higher self are those who have undertaken substantial inner work to deconstruct all good and bad things that have propped up the existence of ego. They are essentially Empty.

I don't really think it's possible to "waste" one's life coming from a mediocre ego without any input from the higher self. All it really comes down to is whether or not mind/body/emotions are able to accept what is happening or not, or whether they are dragged into the evolution on their knees or go willingly. The higher self is still doing whatever it can to further the plan in spite of ego. The only difference between just a bunch of random shit happening and some kind of divinely inspired plan is a matter of perspective, but no perspective is required for the important stuff to really get done. In other words, it's impossible to really fuck this up.
 
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