Olorin
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Searching for Vinyl? I can get you ANY SONG ON VINYL!
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nudestreak
Bluelighter
actually something u might try is putting force on the record i noticed that in my box o records the back and the front record often get alot of force put on them by the rest of the records i have fixed the problem but u know just for the hell of it like if you bend it does it snap back does it ward at all ect
w33k4p4u9
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ummm, no
NecroTrance
Bluelighter
Just to add a lil something about the cost...I can't imagine that any Dj wouldn't pay a bit extra for your srvice....I know, as far as I'm concerned, if the quality of the vinyl, and the ease of getting it was above par(i.e. the rekkid's quality/level will sound just as good, or close, as a pressed vinyl so that I'm not struggling to hear one record over aother or boosting my gains to an extreme)then I would surely pay about 50% more, possibly even 75% more...Simply because so many vinyls will never be released again, and if they're out there, they're too difficult to locate, let alone the price I'd have to pay for their rarity. So, yes, man...As far as price is concerned, charge more, because in all acutality, you can eliminate the price of a rare record and just replace it with your service prices, which, I would imagine to be a lot less than the cost of a rarity.
Mystic Styles
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.NecroTrance said:
after thinking about this, i wouldn't use this service. I dont care what the brochure says, that vinyl cutter isn't going to have good sound quality. If it did, everyone would cut their own records at home instead of trying to shop them to labels who have access to good presses with knowledgeable people running them. Any record he can find, you can find on Gemm. I know i personally would pay the extra for a copy off gemm that i know is gonna be good quality. If he only charges 10 or so bucks a record (i dont feel like reading back through the thread to see what he'd say he'd charge), then he would never make any money with the costs of blank records, etc. Plus with the CDJs becoming increasingly better and more affordable, if some dj who wanted this record found an mp3 of it (probably off soulseek), then why wouldn't they just invest in a CD player. Its a lot more quick, inexpensive (in the long run), and just easier than having someone (who doesn't know anything at all about running a press really) making a record that might be average at best sound quality. But if you play songs you download off soulseek, you should be castrated anyway for not showing respect to the artists' who's work you feel is good enough to play out (and possibly earn praise for YOU), yet not good enough to pay for. Also, you dont want a bad pressing of a good record, trust me. I've gotten a few records before that were great tracks, but such poor quality that i wouldn't even play them out (and never have)
/end rant
geoff gulley
Bluelighter
Mystic Styles said:
Thank you.........I spend over two hours everyday on soulseek tracking down morons who share tracks that haven't even been properly released yet and asking them to remove them from their shared folders. It's one thing to like a track that you heard in a set, download it and listen to it in your ipod, it's quite another not to pay for it and then spin some crap ass compressed mp3 out like your the next Sasha.....this goes for putting these tracks on mix cd's as well. I truely doubt people actually have an idea how much file sharing has hurt producers in their pocketbooks and the vibe of a new track. Nor do I think they care. They see absolutely nothing wrong with it and it's a shame. I could go on and on about this and the moral decay of DJ's spending money to copy a licenced track to bootleg vinyl that will sound like shite but no one cares.
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Not to start this again, in this thread, but I'm just fucking sick of this shit.
I'm trying to figure out where do all these people get off at saying that producers lose money over this. Have you looked at the numbers? Are you even a producer? Saying final scratch or cd players makes producers lose money is like saying that the radio makes producers lose money. Its promotion. You're getting heard by a DJ who wouldn't play your track otherwise. Thats 1 more dj playing your track. How could any producer complain? I just dont get it. I'd say in the long run, products like final scratch might even increase record sales if anything.
Also, there aren't too many djs retarded enough to spin shitty low quality mp3s at a party. If they are that retarded people will know right away and they will lose their credibility with the crowd, so theres no worries.
To get back to the original topic.........
PhreeX,
I wouldn't reccomend doing this. I think if you want to press vinyl you're better off getting a press and then dealing in bulk only, simply because that way, you'll actually get enough business if you're good to make some money.
Otherwise dont even bother. No serious DJ will pay you for that service that you're providing. I know I wouldn't. Why would I give you 40 bucks to cut a vinyl which is going to be lower quality then the recording of what I'm sending you. If I allready have the higher quality recoding then what you're going to give me, why would I care about getting a lower quality on vinyl if I could just use final scratch and save myself the money + the inconvenience of dealing with a service that sounds this shady(no offense).
On top of that no matter how good this new vinyl cutter it is, the records are going to wear out quick. They might not wear out AS quick as they would from one of the other mentioned cutters, but it will still be quick, and the quality will still be lower.
I'd go to somebody else who has a press and get them to cut 100 or more copies of the vinyl I need if anything and just split the cost with a couple of my friends and we'd all have like 20 copies for when one runs out, or to just hand out to other DJs if they like the track. This would probably cost me the same price if not cheaper if were to get 20 cuts from you and it would have been done on a press.
No person who really knows what they're talking about when it comes to this issue would use your service and you'd be assed out since those people are the only clients worth having since they will want bulk and they will want it repeatedly.
So, save yourself, the money + time and effort and seriuosly reconsider this whole idea. (I'm not saying dont do it, just seriously consider what a lot of us are telling you.) If you really want to do this, I would suggest that you get a press and deal with bulk only.
You could advertise anywhere there is anything music related. Send letters to record labels with a nice pitch, newspapers, record stores(flyers), parties, websites, anywhere people who deal with music will see what you're offering. It would be a much better idea to register yourself as a legit business and have a lawyer write up a good disclaimer(or at least have one look at one that you wrote) to address the copyright issue. You could also have them do this electronically, where everybody would be purchasing your services over the web and they would have to check a lil "agree to terms and conditions" checkbox or button before they could complete the purchase. The terms and conditions would simply be a disclaimer to avoid legal trouble.
Anyway... good luck ... and I hope that whatever you do works out in the long run. .
peace
Not to start this again, in this thread, but I'm just fucking sick of this shit.
I'm trying to figure out where do all these people get off at saying that producers lose money over this. Have you looked at the numbers? Are you even a producer? Saying final scratch or cd players makes producers lose money is like saying that the radio makes producers lose money. Its promotion. You're getting heard by a DJ who wouldn't play your track otherwise. Thats 1 more dj playing your track. How could any producer complain? I just dont get it. I'd say in the long run, products like final scratch might even increase record sales if anything.
Also, there aren't too many djs retarded enough to spin shitty low quality mp3s at a party. If they are that retarded people will know right away and they will lose their credibility with the crowd, so theres no worries.
To get back to the original topic.........
PhreeX,
I wouldn't reccomend doing this. I think if you want to press vinyl you're better off getting a press and then dealing in bulk only, simply because that way, you'll actually get enough business if you're good to make some money.
Otherwise dont even bother. No serious DJ will pay you for that service that you're providing. I know I wouldn't. Why would I give you 40 bucks to cut a vinyl which is going to be lower quality then the recording of what I'm sending you. If I allready have the higher quality recoding then what you're going to give me, why would I care about getting a lower quality on vinyl if I could just use final scratch and save myself the money + the inconvenience of dealing with a service that sounds this shady(no offense).
On top of that no matter how good this new vinyl cutter it is, the records are going to wear out quick. They might not wear out AS quick as they would from one of the other mentioned cutters, but it will still be quick, and the quality will still be lower.
I'd go to somebody else who has a press and get them to cut 100 or more copies of the vinyl I need if anything and just split the cost with a couple of my friends and we'd all have like 20 copies for when one runs out, or to just hand out to other DJs if they like the track. This would probably cost me the same price if not cheaper if were to get 20 cuts from you and it would have been done on a press.
No person who really knows what they're talking about when it comes to this issue would use your service and you'd be assed out since those people are the only clients worth having since they will want bulk and they will want it repeatedly.
So, save yourself, the money + time and effort and seriuosly reconsider this whole idea. (I'm not saying dont do it, just seriously consider what a lot of us are telling you.) If you really want to do this, I would suggest that you get a press and deal with bulk only.
You could advertise anywhere there is anything music related. Send letters to record labels with a nice pitch, newspapers, record stores(flyers), parties, websites, anywhere people who deal with music will see what you're offering. It would be a much better idea to register yourself as a legit business and have a lawyer write up a good disclaimer(or at least have one look at one that you wrote) to address the copyright issue. You could also have them do this electronically, where everybody would be purchasing your services over the web and they would have to check a lil "agree to terms and conditions" checkbox or button before they could complete the purchase. The terms and conditions would simply be a disclaimer to avoid legal trouble.
Anyway... good luck ... and I hope that whatever you do works out in the long run. .
peace
geoff gulley
Bluelighter
"Not to start this again, in this thread, but I'm just fucking sick of this shit.
I'm trying to figure out where do all these people get off at saying that producers lose money over this. Have you looked at the numbers? Are you even a producer? Saying final scratch or cd players makes producers lose money is like saying that the radio makes producers lose money. Its promotion. You're getting heard by a DJ who wouldn't play your track otherwise. Thats 1 more dj playing your track. How could any producer complain? I just dont get it. I'd say in the long run, products like final scratch might even increase record sales if anything."
Yes, I am a producer. Yes, I have looked at the numbers. No, this has nothing to do with "final scratch/cd players". This isn't about some established mainstream artist who's music is everywhere from radio to MTV. This is about electronic producers who may put out two or three tracks a year on a small label. Jesus....You seriously don't get it do you??? If you were a producer or a known DJ this would and should seriously piss you the fuck off like it does any other serious producer/DJ who does this for a fucking living.......What you see as pushing the music is simply "stealing". PERIOD. If you don't fucking get that then there's no hope for you. Do we make promo's? Yes. Do we give them away? Yes. Does that give you the right to make copies and pass them out to friends or over the internet to anyone....NO. Twit. Get a clue and then come back here after you've busted your ass for years as an established DJ and then as a producer and talk to me about what a crime it is you can't make copies of licenced tracks.
And FYI moron.....Legit radio stations pay licencing fees to play the tracks they play. It's called ASCAP, BMI, SESAC and the like............
Sorry to hear your "sick of this shit". Sorry if this somehow negatively effects your day as much as it does mine and the rest of my friends in this industry. And sorry if I come across as being some total asshole.....I'm really not. But when it comes to this topic, my job, my livelyhood......I have a right to defend myself, my product and that of my fellow producers who get ripped off on a daily basis from file sharing dickheads, programs and shady promoters........
I'm trying to figure out where do all these people get off at saying that producers lose money over this. Have you looked at the numbers? Are you even a producer? Saying final scratch or cd players makes producers lose money is like saying that the radio makes producers lose money. Its promotion. You're getting heard by a DJ who wouldn't play your track otherwise. Thats 1 more dj playing your track. How could any producer complain? I just dont get it. I'd say in the long run, products like final scratch might even increase record sales if anything."
Yes, I am a producer. Yes, I have looked at the numbers. No, this has nothing to do with "final scratch/cd players". This isn't about some established mainstream artist who's music is everywhere from radio to MTV. This is about electronic producers who may put out two or three tracks a year on a small label. Jesus....You seriously don't get it do you??? If you were a producer or a known DJ this would and should seriously piss you the fuck off like it does any other serious producer/DJ who does this for a fucking living.......What you see as pushing the music is simply "stealing". PERIOD. If you don't fucking get that then there's no hope for you. Do we make promo's? Yes. Do we give them away? Yes. Does that give you the right to make copies and pass them out to friends or over the internet to anyone....NO. Twit. Get a clue and then come back here after you've busted your ass for years as an established DJ and then as a producer and talk to me about what a crime it is you can't make copies of licenced tracks.
And FYI moron.....Legit radio stations pay licencing fees to play the tracks they play. It's called ASCAP, BMI, SESAC and the like............
Sorry to hear your "sick of this shit". Sorry if this somehow negatively effects your day as much as it does mine and the rest of my friends in this industry. And sorry if I come across as being some total asshole.....I'm really not. But when it comes to this topic, my job, my livelyhood......I have a right to defend myself, my product and that of my fellow producers who get ripped off on a daily basis from file sharing dickheads, programs and shady promoters........
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geoff gulley said:
Hah. Thats really rather sad.
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Mystic Styles said:
Artists seek respect in the form of appreciation. Someone who seeks respect in the form of money is a businessman.
geoff gulley
Bluelighter
Motherslug said:
Yeah, it is......and not for the reason/s you posted your reply. You may think its a joke, not important, a waste of time, whatever.....Its not. Go do it for a living........for more than five years, actually acheive some level of success outside of spinning at local clubs and parties, produce some tracks, have them signed and then spun out by other DJ's, used in a commercial or on a compilation and then come back here and see if you have the same view of this. If you still do, get out of the business.
Mystic Styles
Bluelighter
Motherslug said:
yeah but if your favorite producers cannot make a living off what they do, they have to get other jobs. you think they are still gonna be able to be as prolific and write quality material still? i think not
Motherslug
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Many of my favourite artists work 9-5 style jobs.
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