Science, not politics must decide fate of safe injection site

You know I bet costs to society would be lowered even more by putting these homeless drug addicts with no sense of self preservation into some kind of cheap housing with hot and cold running drugs, even with free needles they will still get the cops and legal system involved because of the realities of their lifestyle and will still get free medical care when they show up at the ER with abscesses and frostbite. At what point do we say fuck off to someone with no sense of self preservation? Or do we coddle them their whole damn lives like 200 pound children?

I am all for legalizing all drugs and everything needed for their use, I'm not for providing for free dirt cheap health items. Where are my free condoms? Bet the state pays a lot to take care of the kids of indigent single moms. Where is my free toothbrush? Think of how much tooth decay costs society!
 
They ARE 200 pound children, who btw didn't choose to be severely traumatized.
Which is the one and only reason those people live the way they do.
I think everyone agrees that a drug addict's life is easy nor pleasant.
 
Ptah said:
They ARE 200 pound children, who btw didn't choose to be severely traumatized.
Which is the one and only reason those people live the way they do.
I think everyone agrees that a drug addict's life is easy nor pleasant.
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But they did make the choice to do drugs and to not save a few bucks for some needles. Why should my life me any less easy or pleasant because some guy doesn't have the brains in his head to buy a needle before shooting up?

And I'll say it again, if you think their life is so crappy and want to help them out then do so.
 
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If it weren't for the dope addicts I'd have to search long and far for other people, less fortunate than me by their own choice, to despise (which I'll be the first to admit, makes me feel oooh sooo good about my righteous self).
Those stupid enough to choose to sleep with one of those lowlifes have only themselves to blame if they get AIDS or hepatitis.
And their stupid parents and friends should have chosen to properly school, indoctrinate or force those involved so they only have themselves to blame as well.
More despicables! Great!

=D =D =D

(Perhaps it's a good idea to start a rightwing thought complex addict forum?)

I'm outta here. Bye.
 
Broshious said:
But they did make the choice to do drugs and to not save a few bucks for some needles. Why should my life me any less easy or pleasant because some guy doesn't have the brains in his head to buy a needle before shooting up?

And I'll say it again, if you think their life is so crappy and want to help them out then do so.
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The point is you HAVE to pay taxes and thier going towards healthcare whether you like it or not. Would you rather pay for less by providing these services, or pay more to deal with the higher rate of HIV/Hep.

Theres no getting around the fact that you have to pay taxes, whether you agree with healthcare or not. You supporting this would actually cost you less in the end of something you have no choice to pay.

or.. you could stop paying taxes all together and build a cabin somewhere and live off the land.
 
Is saving a humans life not worth the few dollars it would cost each tax payer? Those fortunate enough to be able to afford this have a duty to help those in need, regardless of how reckless their actions may have been. You can't just say "I dont care, and only those who care should pay". The few that would pay would need to contribute massive amount of funds. When everyone contributes, the price required from each individual is trivial. We aren't simply alone in our (repsected) countries, we are a part of a larger society that lives there, and thus we have a responsibility to contribute back to the community that has provided the opportunities for us in the first place.

Besides, lower levels of HIV/Hep benefits the whole of society, not just the drug users. After all, sharing needles is not the only way HIV/Hep is spread - its not only the drug users that are at risk of it.
 
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peaked said:
You can't just say "I dont care, and only those who care should pay".
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I sure can and will. I am more than willing to help someone I know, but I refuse to help some faceless person. It is not my duty to give anyone anything I earn EVER. You may feel that, but I do not. Just because someone NEEDS something doesn't mean they DESERVE it. The mere fact that you are alive gives you no right whatsoever to demand a thing from me simply because you want to have it and you feel that I don't need it. Need means nothing. Basing everything on need leads you down a bad bad road. What you must base law on is what is EARNED through mutual agreements(i.e. wages from your job or payment for services rendered). Otherwise any loser can tell me to give him my money because he's too much of a fuck up to earn it for himself.

Oh, and I'm afraid I don't have the figures in front of me but I remember reading online that the amount that the American people donated was far greater than the amount of aid the government gave in, I THINK it was that big tsunami, but it could've been another major natural disaster. So that puts the lie to your idea that people won't be charitable. Not to mention it's beside the point because I'm sure you'd like to call it "forced giving" or something like that, but forcing someone to give something to someone else has another name, that's right, STEALING.
 
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Broshious, you seem to be avoiding the other point - you have to pay taxes, so it's a simple decision. Do you want to pay less taxes, or more? Aren't the consequences on some "faceless person" irrelevant to you?
 
mepat1111 said:
Here in Canberra (Australia) you can get injection kits with multiple needles and everything you need for injection for $2 at a vending machine. Or you can go to the needle exchange type thingo and it's free. It's one of the best harm reduction schemes I've seen or heard of.

Long live Harm Reduction!
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Yeah same in Brisbane, it's fucking sweet man. Something done right.
 
Splatter said:
Broshious, you seem to be avoiding the other point - you have to pay taxes, so it's a simple decision. Do you want to pay less taxes, or more? Aren't the consequences on some "faceless person" irrelevant to you?
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I'm confused. I said earlier that I sort of agree from the standpoint of it saving you money in the long run, but as I have a problem with government provided health care in general...
 
Yes you did - my mistake. I live in Canada, so government provided health care is somewhat non-optional.
 
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