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Scared about DXM

Timothy Leary

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I have only used DXM 6 times they have all been under 400 mg, and all but 2 under 250 . Once I dosed two days in a row.

My real question is (being that I dosed 6 hours ago) will the effects go away with time, if so how long?

Oh and My DXM had Guaifenesin in it, but I had assumed it was safe, Its LD50 is really high.
 
If you dosed under 400mg 6 hours ago the effects should be diminishing pretty quickly. Maybe another hour or two.

AFAIK guaif is pretty safe but leads to nausea for many people.
 
Don't drink DXM that has Guaifenesin in it. It's not good in large doses and there's no reason to do it. Get something that just has DXM in it.

Also 400 is a light dose. I doubt you'll have any problems.
 
Yeah, guaif won't kill you but it can leave you nauseous and feeling like shit. Next time, get something with no other active ingredients besides DXM.

You should be on the way down, or close to it at least, if it's been 6 hours. You may not feel 100% back to baseline until you sleep it off.
 
I experimented with DXM numerous times, during the late 1990's and early 2000's. One of the things about DXM is that it eventually wears off, but it takes a while. As one person stated, you might not totally feel like yourself again until you get some good rest afterward.

Guaifenesin may, indeed, cause some gastrointestinal discomfort, as I would occasionally experience this a little while after dosing, before coming up to the peak of the experience. I always found that this could be resolved by laying down for a little while after dosing, if you experience any onset of dizziness or nausea. It all depends on you as an individual, and of course, how much you were to dose. After all of this settles, it's a lot of fun to walk around on DXM.

I once went to the mall with a friend of mine (who knew that I was into DXM), and we had a ball trying to get this book store employee to give him cash back when using a bank check pay for 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'.

I would advise, if possible, and easily and legally obtainable (and with a minimum of trouble to yourself, as I got in trouble as a teenager for experimenting with this substance), that you would obtain DXM without the Guaifenesin. Be careful when calculating your doses.

There was (and probably still is) one or several different DXM dosage calculators on the Internet. You would probably find it if you looked for it in an Internet search. It is still wise to go with what you feel works best and feels the nicest. "What if I..." and "What do I have to lose?" are usually famous last words, even if it's nothing fatal. You don't want to do anything you regret, for yourself or for anyone else. You have your own life to live, so be careful.
 
Oh my god. I am just so terrified. I am never doing that shit ever again. I am just so scared that I am not going to feel "normal" again. I still feel a bit strange. Last night I had some disassociation and was hearing notes and piano chords that weren't there they felt "off" not quite real. this was when closing my eyes. I guess its consistent with disassociation from lack of stimulation. I don't feel as strange now.

I get my eyes not quite focusing right and drifting upwards. I had that when I was on an anti-psychotic, it got worse. I was sticking my tongue out and couldn't help it. That was a few years back, I just got prescribed seroquel, a weaker anti-psychotropic. I am not sure if it is due to that or not. It has been a bit more than 24 hours and I am absolutely scared shitless. I think it might be psychosomatic but those erowid reports claiming permanent damage scare me. Of course I have considered the possibility that it might be some anti-drug zealot. But that is just a theory. I wouldn't put it past them.

I know people have done it a lot more with no apparent damage. I am just petrified though. I know it is a bit irrational but it still doesn't reassure me. I'm sorry I am just spouting off like an idiot on here.
 
Why were you on anti-psychotics? Surely you know of the implications psychedelics/dissociatives can have on mental illness I assume. HPPD can be common among psychedelic users but those who suffer from certain mental conditions may be at a higher risk. But no one I know has suffered permanent damage from occasional dxm use. And I know ALOT of dxm users, and many heavy users.

As far as the auditory hallucinations go, I've never heard sounds that werent there on dxm but thats not to say it doesnt happen. It strikes me as odd seeing that you werent venturing into really high dosage. Were you lacking sleep or something?
 
most people forget to mention the 'afterglow', but it's more like a hangover.
usually lasts 3-4 days for me until i am feeling back to normal at a dose similar to yours (400mg). you'll be fine mate,
 
DXM generally doesn't mix well with other drugs. Tricyclics, SSRIs and stims almost always cause dysphoria (at least) when mixed with DXM, and MAOI/DXM can be fatal.

That being said, the most likely reason that your trip is so long and unpleasant is the addition of Seroquel, because quetiapine is a dopamine, seratonin, and adrenergic antagonist, all three of which present certain complications when mixed with DXM. However, add to this the anticholinergic properties and I can easily understand why you feel so bad.

That being said, the doses you described are fairly benign, assuming you are not enzyme deficient with regard to DXM/DXO conversion (which I assume you aren't, given your past DXM history), so the risk of any substantial harm is pretty low. You could conceivably experience seratonin syndrome from this combination, though in the doses cited I would imagine it would be a low grade manifestation of aid condition. Seratonin storm can be fatal, but it's rare (I've had it more than once, went to the ER twice with it and found out both times that my fears were wildly disproportionate to the actual risk, though the dysphoria was quite intense), and while it must be taken seriously, I sometimes feel that the actual risk of death from SS gets overstated in some of the threads dealing with it. In the spirit of harm prevention, I would recommend that you immediately acquire a sitter at the very minimum, and if you are really battling with yourself, do not hesitate to check into the ER. Remember, there is no legal problem that remotely compares with serious injury or death, not to mention that what you have taken is most likely legal to begin with.

I have also experienced bad DXM/some other drug combinations, including seroquel, so I do understand exactly how intimidating it can be. Indeed, I have been downright terrified for hours on end in such situations. I understand, and its no joke.

That being said, the most important thing you need to do is acquire your wits and apply your mental discipline to AVOID PANIC and APPLY LOGIC. Panic can lead to bad decisions, such as adding a benzo to take the edge off the fear -- bad idea -- point of fact, adding any drug right now is a bad idea, and will not make you feel better. What you need now is the most rapid and safe method of detoxifying, not increasing the amount of drugs in your system.

Remember, at the end of the day there is no shame whatsoever in rushing to the ER, and if you find yourself unable to control your fears, or if the symptoms of dangerous conditions increase, by all means go in.

I don't want to minimize the importance of this, but I have been through this combo with a much, much higher dose of both and survived, though it was quite scary for a whole day, and it took another couple days to "feel normal".

If you are already feeling better, just remember that in all likelihood you're fine, try to chill physically and focus on something mentally challenging, like solving a Rubik's cube (works for me in tough psychedelic situations) to refocus your mind on something other than how negative things are. Please keep us updated so we know you're okay, and remember to keep your DXM days separate from your other drug days!

Hope this helped!

ADDENDUM: As for the risk of permanent damage to your brain from this - very very unlikely. DXM has a way of really biting when it goes bad, and that feeling of "never coming back" is common in any negative psychedelic experience. So as far as that aspect goes, rest assured that you will absolutely feel normal again, most likely within the next day or two, and you won't even feel as bad as you have for the rest of the experience. It will let up gradually, and in fact could even become pleasant once you realize that you are out of harm's way. And no, there are no lesions or holes in your brain from this!
 
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Oh man, re-reading my post I sound so retarded, I must have still been a bit fucked up. Yes, I was on antipschotics for a while. I never had any bad problems with pschosis, I could always tell what was real or what was not, no real delusions such as "there is a guy with a sniper rifle on our neighbors roof". I could always distinguish mild psychotic symptoms from reality. After I got off of the antipschotics my problems cleared up and I might only have very mild problems every six months or so when I had too much caffiene and not enough sleep occasionally. Ironically after I tried psilocybin mushrooms I seem to be pretty much cured. It has been more than 3 years without any symptoms whatsoever, Of course it could be just circumstantial and I probably sound like some hippy saying "Yeah man, Its all good for you. Like the acid makes you smarter man". I cant say for sure but I think that my use of 5-HT-2A agonists has helped, I take mushrooms every six months or so and I generally am a happier person.

Also HPPD is on shakey ground at best, many of the people that claim to have had it are antidrug zealots and could be exaggerating, not to mention that the surveys and studies done on it found it to be very rare. I could conceive of it if you constantly used X or DXM everyday for years, which has been documented.

I dont think my fears when on it were delusional, but I think they were very exaggerated and unfounded. I think that taking it two days in a row played a big part, but of course reading the trainwrecks section of erowid isnt a good idea while your high either :). I am curious if I had mild serotonin syndrome, although wouldn't the combination of a seratonin antagonist make it harder develop? I read on wiki that 5HT2A agonism reduces neurotoxicity, would an antagonist have the opposite effect? Of course the seroquel and promethazine especially are potent anticholinergics and inhibition of choline receptors is said to reduce neurotoxicity.

The dysphoria fits in with SS but it is also an effect of the seroquel and DXM sometimes. It seems very similar to what I had experienced on diphenylhydramine (I was really bored one day, no serious effects, just disphoria, NEVER AGAIN) and matches the physically subduedness and mental fear that accompanies the thorazine shuffle. Although even if I did have SS if it was mild enough where I can barely tell it was there it was probably not anywhere near dangerous enough to cause excitotoxicity of seratonergic neurons.
 
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