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Sam Nunberg LIVE MELTDOWN on CNN

"Two separate rules for R's and D's, why didn't they ask Hillary's people to produce the emails?" lmao

"Donald didn't collude with Russia. Putin's too smart to collude with Trump."

Fuck, did I die? This would be pretty hilarious post-life outtake footage. This is too rich. I'm going to get diabetes.
 
"It wasn't right how Hillary Clinton was treated by the FBI" oh wow...

"am I allowed to make a living?" "is this about money?" LOL

"Do you know how Donald treated me? I hate the guy!" 2 mins earlier "I'm still a supporter."

"but you were just talking about his 30-ish% approval ratings..."

"I think they should be higher."
 
I saw the MSNBC interview tonight & the only conclusions I can come to is a) he knows that a number of people are guilty & b) he's nuts. He was offered immunity & turned it down! Idiot.
 
Not an idiot. Not at all. At least, not for accepting the immunity deal.

The government will do everything they can to capture as much information as they can passively and actively from you, and then take needles to it to see how many holes they can poke into your story (in order to break the "as long as you are truthful with us" conditional, then they can prosecute you). Never take an immunity deal. Taking it implies you did something wrong, and indeed, often they will just try to yank the rug out from underneath you (something that happens generally in other areas of the law as well, etc.)

Hear no evil, etc.

He definitely seems like his panicking and lying, letting too much go (or is telling an orchestrated series of lies in order to serve Trump).
 
i missed the live meltdown but i've seen some highlights from him calling in to CNN and MSNBC. although this certainly is a subtopic of the mueller investigation, this dude's meltdown is certainly news, because he's openly proclaiming he's willfully and flagrantly ignoring the courts, so what happens next - whether he caves, gets thrown in jail for contempt of court, or if somehow the administration shuts it down somehow and gets him off the hook - is pretty important independent of the investigation. this will basically show is whether we still live in a country that even pretends to respect the rule of law.

allegedly the dude was fuckin sloshed while doing this lol

i'm trying to find an article or video or somethign to link to, but its still all too fresh. just turn on cnn :D
 
Sure why not?

That wasn't even my implication. Trump could have said "Look, try to bail me out, spin a billion lies and I'll pay you big time." Even if he spends a year or two in prison, or at least as long as it takes for Trump's term to be up, he'll eventually get out.

Perhaps I am wrong. He just seemed very enthusiastic to spin up a bunch of lies and tell a bunch of truths in a methodical fashion.
 
holy shit

Facts of the case

In 1920, legal action was taken against Philip Grossman for selling liquor at his place of business in violation of the National Prohibition Act. He violated a federal court injunction by continuing to sell alcoholic beverages. He was found guilty of criminal contempt of court and sentenced to one year in prison and a $1,000 fine. In 1923, President Calvin Coolidge issued a pardon that reduced Grossman's sentence to payment of the fine.

Conclusion
In a unanimous decision, the Court found that a presidential pardon for a criminal contempt of court sentence was within the powers of the executive. There is nothing in the words "offenses against the United States" that excludes criminal contempts in the Constitution. Actions that violate the dignity or authority of the federal courts violate the law of the United States, making these contempts offenses against the United States. The president's pardon authority includes such offenses. Without destroying the deterrent effect of judicial punishment, the president's powers are to act as checks against undue prejudice or needless severity in such sentencing by the judicial branch.
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ugh, this really bothers me now. things could get really really fucking bad from here out.

oh yeah, and he already pardoned sheriff arpaio for contempt of court didnt he? disgusting.
 
tathra said:
holy shit




ugh, this really bothers me now. things could get really really fucking bad from here out.

oh yeah, and he already pardoned sheriff arpaio for contempt of court didnt he? disgusting.
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Why does it bother you? There's no going back in time, and stopping Trump from completing Russiagate and preventing his inauguration. There's no time machine.

What's the end result? Nunberg gets a pardon? Trump will let him serve a week or two, then pardon him. The world will move on.

If we can't nail the queen roach (Trump), it doesn't matter. The rest of the roaches will scurry away and any we step on will quickly be replaced in due time.

What really bothered me is Trump pardoned Shapiro and the whole world just bent over and took it. A president's pardoning power is already heavily abused, and has been by every major president from both parties for the last few decades.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Why does it bother you? There's no going back in time, and stopping Trump from completing Russiagate and preventing his inauguration. There's no time machine.

What's the end result? Nunberg gets a pardon? Trump will let him serve a week or two, then pardon him. The world will move on.

If we can't nail the queen roach (Trump), it doesn't matter. The rest of the roaches will scurry away and any we step on will quickly be replaced in due time.

What really bothered me is Trump pardoned Shapiro and the whole world just bent over and took it. A president's pardoning power is already heavily abused, and has been by every major president from both parties for the last few decades.
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Don't even get me started on Nixons pardon. Presidential pardon is a power that should probably be constrained.

Way I see it, being in a position of power should increase the potential consequences of its misuse. Perhaps the president shouldn't be able to pardon ex presidents and certain other types. Or alternately pardons for certain crimes should require Congressional approval. Not sure. But it probably shouldn't work how it does now.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Why does it bother you? There's no going back in time, and stopping Trump from completing Russiagate and preventing his inauguration. There's no time machine.

What's the end result? Nunberg gets a pardon? Trump will let him serve a week or two, then pardon him. The world will move on.

If we can't nail the queen roach (Trump), it doesn't matter. The rest of the roaches will scurry away and any we step on will quickly be replaced in due time.

What really bothered me is Trump pardoned Shapiro and the whole world just bent over and took it. A president's pardoning power is already heavily abused, and has been by every major president from both parties for the last few decades.
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the worrying result of pardoning somebody for contempt of court for failure to comply with a subpoena investigating presidential crimes is the investigation grinding to a halt as everyone stops complying and gets pardoned. ideally trump could cop an obstruction of justice charge if things happen that way but who can say that would go through? the rule of law is what's at stake here, and whether or not America has progressed to a full-blown dictatorship.
 
tathra said:
to anyone paying attention yeah, but too many people are still in full blown denial about it, just like too many people are in denial that the US is a police state.
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The cops aren't so bad out here. It's still a police state for sure, but I don't hear the same horror stories, i.e. "a cop rubbed me a gun point", "a cop took my drugs and threatened me if I said anything", etc. is always an east-coast narrative.
 
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