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Roommate issues - How to peacefully establish the "head of household"?

Seattle_Stranger

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I'll try to make this as short as possible. I put this thread in relationships, because it pertains to my relationship with my friends/roommates, but feel free to move it if it needs to be.

To make a long story short, I'm 26, I moved to Seattle when I was 20, on my own, absolutely no family, friends, I've never been here, I didn't know my way around, wasn't even old enough to get into bars yet, so I had almost no way to meet peers. I moved here better my own life and become something bigger and better than what was available to me at the time in New York City. So, fast forward about 4 years, I established a good life, a social circle of good friends, a serious relationship with an amazing girl (still together!), saved up my money, got into 2 awesome bands and now performing on stage, successful career in software, and most relevantly to this conversation, a nice big house.

I've had a couple apartments and even another house that I had before this one, all of which I lived alone at, and maintained 100% on my own time, dollar and effort. Save for all the details, I've been through a bit in the past 6 years and definitely have a good idea what this whole adult thing is all about. So, I saved up my money, worked my ass off, and finally had enough money to rent a really sweet, newer house, lots of bedrooms, sweet basement, garage, just a perfect bachelor pad. So I sign all the paperwork, do all the leg work, put down all the money upfront (it was A LOT), put everything in my name, all the utilities, the lease, everything is through me. I decided to rent a couple of the bedrooms out to my friends, so I invite a couple to live with me. I decide we will all split the rent and bills evenly, but will I pay all the bills through my accounts, I deal with all the landlord situations, I'll deal with ALL the things that encompass maintaining and running a house, I even pay for the small repairs and such that need to be done, for example buying and installing new weatherstripping on the door, I handled it all and my roomies never even knew about it. All my roommates need to do is pay rent to me and simply do their part around the house, there are no set rules or schedule or anything like that, we're all adults, we know what we need to do. If you don't, and you need rules, then you probably shouldn't live here. I also should note that I NEVER tell anyone what to do, or to be quiet, or to clean their mess, or anything like that, I never bother anyone about anything, even if it bothers me. All in all, I'd say I make it pretty easy and fair for my friends. I even took one of the smallest rooms as my own simply to give my friends the better living quarters!

So, fast forward another couple years, a couple roommates moved in and out, all situations dealt with, I'm still here doing my thing as always. A friend of a friend was invited to move in because a previous roommate just moved out. He's a little younger than me, was living in his mom and dad's house, grew up in a nice neighborhood all his life, basically your run of the mill suburban momma's boy. Whatever, he seems smart, has a good job, good references through good friends of mine, and best of all he didn't seem like he had any kind of ego or douchebaggery or anything. I should also note that this good job he has is a "work" from home job, which really means he needs to check his email every couple hours, make sure there's no exploding servers, and just go back to masturbating or whatever it was you were doing while "working" from home. He goes snowboarding during "work" hours nearly every day. It works out well for a while, we're friends, we hang out, all that.

However as of recently, he seems to have some kind of misconception that he can tell me what to do. I don't know where it came from, maybe it's because he just recently got a girlfriend and has been acting different ever since. It started when one day, after an EXTREMELY stressful week at a new stressful position at work, I finally had a couple minutes to sit down and relax with my girlfriend. He gets home from vacation, and decides to come bother me while I'm with my girl to say that I need to do my dishes because "he came home from vacation and saw the same few dishes in there that were there when he left". 8o I almost lost it on him.... First and foremost, when I told him that I've been cooking little dinners for myself all week after my LONG ass days, and reusing the same dishes. I cook, put it in the sink, wash it to cook again, back in sink, wash to use again, etc.. When I told him this he was all "Ohh, I didn't realize..." Yeah FUCK YOU! This is MY fucking house, who the fuck is this kid to come and tell me I need to do my dishes? I EARNED the right to leave my fuckin' dish in the sink overnight if I fuckin' feel like it!! All factors considered, how I earned the house, what I do to maintain it, how long I've been here, what I go through at work and how he snowboards all day, and goes on vacation, then comes home and whines at me....I simply cannot stop letting this bother me!! WHO THE FUCK does he think he is??

Then, to add insult to injury, again another LONG and STRESSFUL week, he's gone snowboarding and fucking his girlfriend all day, getting drunk every night again, I come home from work at 5:30PM on a Friday, I turn on my amp and start to play my bass guitar. This mother fucker comes upstairs (his room is all the way in the basement, mine's way upstairs) and tells me that I need to turn it down because he's trying to take a nap. At 5:30pm on a Friday. I swear I almost decked him in the face. What a little punk!!!!!!!! :X:X:X:X:X


UGH!!! Ok so having said all that, sorry if it seems like a rant, but I do need advice. This is clearly MY house, I earned it and earned the status of head of household. I also do not think there is any question about this, because regarding most other things, both of my roommates seem to have the understanding that I run shit around here. However, he still feels like he can come and tell me what to do, I should turn my shit down on friday night because he's tired from snowboarding all day when I've been busting my ass all week, I need to do my dishes, etc.. This angers me beyond belief, and quite frankly I don't care if anyone agrees with me how I run my house....but it's still my fucking house and I'll run it how I fucking please, I earned the right to do so. If they don't like it, they know where the door is... :)

How do I deal with this peacefully? I'm extremely bitter towards my roommate, when he says these things I make every effort in my ability to not just crack him in the mouth. I just feel like he's being a punk and being disrespectful, has absolutely NO business telling me what to do in MY house, and now that he's finally having sex regularly he thinks he's some kind of chesty tough guy or something.... Even if he;s not trying to do anything like that on purpose, he still needs to know that this is NOT ok and needs to stop NOW before things get real sour. Again, I NEVER whine at my roommates about anything ever, I could totally be that douchebag authority-complexed head of household roommate that is constantly pushing people around, making lists, giving orders, etc.....but I don't. The simple fact that he feels he needs to come and tell me to do my dishes is offensive and disrespectful to me and makes him out to be a fucking little punk trying to prove something.

Please help me not get all Brooklyn on this poor cul-de-sac kid. :|
 
Just don't take his shit, remind him that he is renting from you, not the other way around and you can tell him to fuck off at any point. He needs to be put in his place, there is no "peaceful" solution, of course you can calmly inform him of these points which I guess is somewhat peaceful..
 
Just don't take his shit, remind him that he is renting from you, not the other way around and you can tell him to fuck off at any point. He needs to be put in his place, there is no "peaceful" solution, of course you can calmly inform him of these points which I guess is somewhat peaceful..

That's pretty much all I have been thinking I can do. The best solution I feel would be to ask to talk to him, calmly, when things are at normal. I'll start by saying to him that I'm not trying to be a dick or anything like that, however I really feel there is a misunderstanding on his part and it has been bothering me a lot, and I would simply like to straighten things out in the most peaceful way possible...

Only problem is I don't know how else to say "My house, I call the shots, not you, you don't like it then move out" without sounding dickish on some level, and I wouldn't blame him if he gets defensive. However, he will have to understand that he has already offended me, and this is the only way for me to talk about it, and that I truly have the very best interest of the house and all it's occupants in mind. Perhaps he's simply just not thinking when he approaches me with such comments, and isn't really considering what he's saying, and has no idea why it's offensive or that it's actually bothering me this much. Maybe I just need to make him understand that these little comments he's making are making my living situation unpleasant. I truly want nothing but peace in the end, I don't want him to move out because he is a good guy, pays on time, is clean, all that. He's just a little punk... :p
 
Approach it like that then? "I want you to stay but your new, post-coital attitude needs to take a hike". If your roommates don't know the stuff you do to keep the house in order then how can you expect them to understand?
 
just say- if i want to leave my dishes in the sink i will, if i want to play bass guitar in the afternoon i will, its your choice to live here, you dont have to. its all in my name, i maintain the place and dont need someone telling me what to do.

he's been living with parents who tolerate his spoiled attitude for years, how would he know any different

which bothers you more- coping withoput his share of the rent OR taking shit. you decide
 
OH, OP. I feel for you. First, I have to say mad respect for you for doing what you did. I've often thought of up and moving to a new city to start over, and I haven't had the balls to do it. Good for you, and you should be proud of yourself.

I read your story and can relate although in a different respect. I let someone move in with me, and I thought at 37 and someone who went to law school, he'd understand the dynamics of living on your own and having responsibility. I was so wrong. He works from home too, but we both lost income streams and I got my ass up and got a real job while he just tells me "he has ideas in the pipeline." I know he'll be in the same place in 3 months, which is how long I gave him to show me some kind of cash money from these "ideas in the pipeline."

I think there is a huge divide between people who have mommy and daddy to live off of if things go sour and people like you and me who have just ourselves to rely on and the true stress of living on your own and surviving without any help. The momma's boy roommate has nothing to lose if things don't work out for him, which is similar to my roomie. Granted, things are a little different for me, because we dated for a while and I've officially made him move out of my room, but still he has 0 clue about responsibility, because he has that safety net of mommy and daddy. I'm utterly amazed that people can age this much and have no idea what it is like to run a household and live on your own.

I've had a couple of people use me as a safety net, and some move in, pay their share and it's all good, but there is always some point where I have to remind them who owns the place and who is the HBIC. It's your house, you are on the lease, and at the end of the day, he can jump ship and you are ultimately responsible.

TBH, I've never been able to nicely remind people in these situations. The only way I've been able to rein in the situation is to pull out my inner bitch. You're like me: I don't want to do it either. I hate doing it. I wish people would just pay rent, respect my space and my house, and we can live peacefully, but it never fails where I have to make threats and be a huge bitch about it.
 
After reading your post and the responses, Seattle_Stranger, the only peaceful situation I can think of is to find a time when everybody is available for a meeting. Put a note in the bathroom or kitchen, or wherever everyone will see it, and announce that there will be a "meeting for all tenants", held by the "landlord." Once the meeting happens, explain that you are the only one on the lease and that, without getting too dickish, that they can be kicked out at any time if they fail to respect some rules while living in the house. Watch your terminology as there is no need to refer to the house as "your house"--Establishing yourself as the landlord was enough salt in the wound so to speak.

Then I would suggest some rules be laid down. A big one from what it sounds would be for "quiet hours." Have everyone say when they would like the quiet hours to be, and then decide on a happy medium. Most quiet hours are from 9p until 9a. Another biggie would be on the dishes. Establish that everyone is responsible for doing their own dishes in a timely fashion, and since "timely fashion" can be very subjective, maybe put a time-frame on it. As long as the dishes aren't disgustingly dirty, I see no problem (aside from laziness :P) with "dirty" dishes sitting for upwards of 18 hours. Shit happens. Sometimes you just don't feel like doing the dishes after the long work week and want to leave Friday night's dishes to be done Saturday morning/evening. I hear ya there.

Pretty much unless you want to be a dick about it, which you said you really didn't want to have to do, holding a peaceful meeting like this where everyone can air their grievances is pretty much the only solution I see. :-/
 
Sometimes, you have to be a mother to those who try to both suck up to you or try to take advantage of you. I agree with all of the responses here to be both upfront and subtle about you owning the house and nothing being in their name, then laying down the ground rules (which you must follow, I may add). Make sure to end it on a positive note that you appreciate everyone being there and you like living with them.

Moreover, address everyone in the house, if possible, like addi mentioned. Even your girlfriend, whom I'm sure will appreciate you taking authority over rudeness.

Good luck and let us know how it goes!
 
Maybe start by making rules.
I like rules in a household, with roommates. I don't mind a few dishes in the sink but when it becomes a habit and large amounts, okay that's enough. With my past roommates, we knew not to leave dishes out for more than a day.

Honestly though, I'd give him the two months or whatever you need and kick him out!
 
Thank you all for your kind replies!!

I think many of you hit the nail on the head, stating how he's the kind of person who has known nothing else besides growing up and living within a mile from mom and dad, knowing that if things go south he can always move down the block back in with them, etc.. His ONLY other self-sufficient experience is living in an apartment with his friend a few years ago for barely a year, again barely a mile from mom and dad's house. It makes sense and I can't hold it against him TOO much, however I do agree that it's my responsibility as the HOH to make it clear who calls the shots. I'm very fair with the way I run this house, I don't impose rules on anyone, I never whine at anyone for how they live their lives, and I'd also like to think I'm pretty easy to live with.

The other night, he, my girlfriend and I all hung out for a long time on Saturday, very peaceful and enjoyable, no bitterness, awkwardness or anything. From his words and actions while we hung out, it's pretty evident that he still understands that I'm in charge around here. So, in conclusion, I think the problem is simply that he's just too naive and inexperienced to really understand why he has no business telling me what to do. So, what I might simply do is just live life normally, and next time he oversteps his boundary, I will simply say "Alright man, I think now is as good a time as any. We need to have a talk because it seems there is a misunderstanding between us." I will calmly and fairly explain why I feel the way I feel, I'll ask his opinion, and perhaps we can reach a compromise.

There's still a small part of me that's like "Fuck compromise bitch! My house, my rules, you don't like it, move the fuck out!" :p I think I need to move away from that though and be a little more diplomatic about it, while still not backing down, being a (the) man about it and maintaining firm authority and demanding respect.

Thanks again everyone, I must say I feel much better about it today than I did when I posted. :)
 
^ Glad to hear you're feeling better about it. :) And that you're going to be a bit more diplomatic. There are ways, like you described, of going with your way of things yet still hearing the other person out and possibly compromising. ;)
 
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