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Rolling Tips

Brisgirl

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I've been rolling fairly regularly for a couple of years now. My friends and I have all gone through periods of time where each of us has "trouble" rolling and even though we take a great pill, we have a bad roll, or no roll as the case may be.
After much scientific analysis I've come to the following conclusions:
1. When a pill hits others in your group but not you, it is not the pills fault - it is yours. I'm really sick of people saying they've got a bung pill when clearly it isn't. (purple EZ test, affects everyone else, they've got huge pupils, sweating etc... but they say it's not working...)
2. You can hold off the strongest pill in the world, without even trying if the situation you're in isn't right. This has happened to me quite a bit. Eg. take a pill, hits everyone else in 30mins. 2 hours later, my pupils still tiny, feeling not much but a bit dopey. Changed my scenery (went outside) and all of a sudden, BANG! Pupils dilated, blew up in about 10 seconds flat. If you're not in the right place (physically or mentally) it won't work.
3. Especially with MDEA the pill often won't come on well because it makes you feel dopey and all fucked up. This is not a particularly comfortable feeling, and once again your body fights it even without you thinking about it.
4. If you have a headache it's almost impossible to actually roll.
5. Less is more!! Yes I know it sounds bizarre. I've spent two years trying to recreate my first blow up, which was mind-fuckingly intense. I thought that by taking a big dose (usually 1.5) it would hit me. What often happened was that for some reason it didn't.
I've finally figured out this: Your first roll, although fucking brilliant is actually a bit scary. That feeling of going over the edge of a cliff isn't exactly natural and a bit of apprehension is understandable. When you have a big dose, sometimes it works. But sometimes, the feeling of apprehension appears and holds the roll at bay.
Sometimes a roll "sneaking up on you" works best. I've found that about 3/4 of a good pill (with about a quarter of whizz to get you in a receptive mood) comes on more strongly than twice as much because your body doesn't fight it. Then, as soon as you feel it, and you are REALLY, REALLY relaxed, have the rest and you will roll big time - because you are very receptive and can't possibly feel anxiety at this point.
I dare you all to try it (the less is more thing I mean).
I know I'm babbling, but has anyone else actually noticed the things I'm talking about? Or is the "more is more" approach the dominant theory out there?
 
In answer to point 1. i agree 100% the probable cause is no seatonin or they have been drinking earlier on etc, The only way to come close to emulating that 1st roll is with
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and this goes along with the less is more theory.
Plenty more info here
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:) I am the Klone of cruise_e - may he R.I.P - age 74posts :(
 
i totally agree. after all MDMA is only allowing ur brain to release serotonin and lots of it. if ur not in a good mood, not happy, have little serotonin for a host of reasons ur exp with be dulled or non-existant.
Defnitely people that wait for the pill to kick in are silly. I think the best thing is to almost try and forget u had a pill at all, get into the night, find something/someone to distract u and then suddenly bang. i once was at this b'day party in a club, we played pass the parcel around the bar. i was conentrating on that talking etc then all of a sudden pill smacked me big time and i kind slid against the bar and EVERYONE knew i had just got totally wrecked.
And the worst is the inexp fools who start getting stressed etc when the pill wheres off. they don't realise that u've still got a lot of serotonin lying around, and this will taper off slowly if u keep having fun and forget about coming down, the after effects if u keep a +ve vibe going can literally last for hrs.
 
ahh great thread, i will add my 0.02c later but for now
Brisgirl Please Email Me!!
i'll explain if you'd please send me an e-addy where you can be contacted...
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thumbs up...I completely agree...it's not the quantity it's the mood and the state of mind...although quantity does the trick as well...hihihi...
...um BrisGirl...I think what JB is trying to say is that...well...ummm...uhhh...how can I put this...well...you see...he has a crush on you...hihihi...joking JB...
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P.S. I decided to get rid of the plur in my signature...people give me too much crap for it...
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If only Pills where like Sex.....The more you do it the better it gets the Older you get the better you do it!!!
Unfortunately with Pills it is usually the opposite .
Enjoy your first pill and think of it as your first love because you will never forget it after that with pills you will just be searching for excuses for why the Pill went wrong....Music was shit....Pill was speed bomb...crowd was shit....Water cost too much ..... the list goes on ....
As for your first "Good Pill" you could of sat in a Pile of dog shit when chilling out and still think "Wow this is just fucking amazing"
Chill
 
Pills (dont) get better as you get older etc.
After years of taking them, you do know what to expect and the suprise is there no longer. Also alot of people say they are not as strong after many years, including myself until recently...
5-htp preloading has changed all that!
Now that I do this simple techinique, they seem to be just as good as my first about 12 years (gasp!) ago.
Maybe serotonin levels change with age, not the effect of the pills themselves?
 
Back to the topic - Rolling tips.
Things to avoid before rolling (that WILL stop the euphoric sensation):
*Stress
*Alcohol
*Large meals
*Spicy meals
*Meals with lots of rice or pasta
*No sleep
*A cold - even if unoticeable, slight flu symptoms can cancel out the effect completely (maybe this is linked with depresed seratonin levels)
 
we have half-pill strategies... we always do pills in halves. why? because if they're MDE based (we only take black/purple tested pills) they won't slap you around too much.. and if they are MDMA pills then the smaller amount sneaks up on you... we're usually so pysched anyway which all adds to the excitement :-]
then you mix and match your next couple of halves...
lovely :-]
 
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