Rivotril 2 mg

[ezpzlemonsqueezy]

Hi all,

I recently acquired some Rivotril/Clonazepam made by Galenika in Serbia I believe. It's 2 mg. Has anyone tried this particular one before? Have there been any fakes or anything to watch out for? It's a sealed blister pack in a box and looks legit but hey, you never know.

 

[Bleaney]

This has been one of the main topics of conversation in the benzo thread, over the last several months, maybe longer.

https://www.bluelight.org/community...waking-up-in-a-wakefield-skip.798761/page-105

You will find a lot of relevant comments, experiences, and findings in that thread.

The summary of the consensus right now is that genuine stocks of the brand have completely reversed in recent months. It used to be the most reliable brand and type of benzo available on the clearnet, it was always genuine for years, but now it is one of the most faked.

Judging by submissions to Wedinos and the test results they publish. Which is somewhat of a scientifically accurate representation of the actual situation on the streets, and for those that buy online.

 

[ezpzlemonsqueezy]

Thanks for your reply. I was told it was genuine and from a Serbian pharmacy, but just in case bought one of those home test kits to be safe. It didn't test to see if they were genuine or even a Benzo but tested for all sorts of other substances and they came out clean. So I tried it and needless to say it was like taking a sugarpill, it did absolutely nothing.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Galenika Rivotril strip you get from the street 99 % some criminal gang press. Might work or not. Few last strips I've got have clearly benzoed me, but I am not convinced of the promised 2 mg/pill.

I don't remember getting completely bunk rivos for ages, but... they ain't worth legit predictable pharma stuff

Getting it in box is promising tho

 

[ezpzlemonsqueezy]

Galenika Rivotril strip you get from the street 99 % some criminal gang press. Might work or not. Few last strips I've got have clearly benzoed me, but I am not convinced of the promised 2 mg/pill.

I don't remember getting completely bunk rivos for ages, but... they ain't worth legit predictable pharma stuff

Getting it in box is promising tho

Thing is I got it in what definitely looked like a legitimate box, albeit an unsealed box that had been a bit creased here and there. And it wasn't from the delivery either as it was well packaged.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

But it didn't work as intended?

 

[ezpzlemonsqueezy]

I was probably exaggerating earlier when I said it was a sugar pill because I guess it worked but just not as it's supposed to. I would know, I've been prescribed clonazepam many times before. I mean there must have been some clonazepam in that 2 mg Rivotril but it's just either not as potent as it should be or it's laced with other crap as well.

 

[fenderjaguar]

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[ezpzlemonsqueezy]

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That's a great guide! It seems as if I have the top ones, or the 'real' ones. They don't have the minty after taste but everything else checks out. Still, they're not as potent or as pure as they once used to be. Oh well.

 

[fenderjaguar]

They don't have the minty after taste. they're not as potent or as pure as they once used to be

well the cool minty aftertaste is very subtle. like you have to go sublingual and then if you get bored of it melting and chew it up at the end, then you get that cool mint. and yeah I feel you on potency. but I also feel the effects of benzos can be subtle too, especially 'classical' non-triazolobenzodiazepines. also, that tolerance is partially cumulative over time. but then again, I never had the ones with the older original packets with red triangles on them.

by the way, I've noticed that the new counterfeit depicts the same way the writing is on those OG strips with red triangles ("1" instead of "jedan", and the "2mg" after "klonazepama" instead of before it). this is the same mistakes they make with the martin dow valium, ie: the counterfeits are based upon the old genuine packaging that isn't produced anymore. it's all very well news sites saying that "it's impossible to tell the difference from packaging and pills" etc, but if you know what you're looking for, the differences are obvious. I've never seen a counterfeit in person, but I can hardly imagine you'd be able to snap them with both forefingers and thumbs like this:

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I also am sceptical that 0.5mg of clonazepam really is equivalent to 10mg of diazepam. some places say 2mg of clonaz = 30mg of diaz, some say 40mg. I am also skeptical that even genuine pharma companies are obligated, by the government/regulatory agency of any particular country, to really put exactly the mg they say with certain drugs. it could be that they are only obliged to put between 1mg-1.9mg, for example. and that if they put exactly 2mg or 2.1mg, they would get tested and incur a large fine, or even loose their license to produce. this is also the problem with wedinos: they never actually specify what "major" and "minor" mean. like could you get away with putting 1mg of real diazepam into a '10mg' tablet and still have them say that's 'major'? I think so. and that also raises the awful can of worms question: is it still possible that, despite wedinos reporting that a tablet contains only clonazepam and that clonazepam is a "major" component of that tablet, that it can still be counterfeit? arghh!

I'm going to ramble here and be further sceptical about this idea that "only the strongest versions of the tablets make it out of the factory into the hands of the drug dealers". what I mean by this is, if you look at the accord/activis diazepam tablets, the (very few) yellow 5mg tablets that have been tested are ALWAYS diazepam. in other words, the counterfeiters would never dream of producing a tablet in anything other than it's strongest variant. it feels like we should have at least some 1mg and 0.5mg clonazepam tablets being churned out, alongside the 2mg versions, but we never see this

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

I imagine that Wedinos don't give the exact mg's either because they're a small operation and don't have the skills and equipment, or they just don't want people taking the piss and using them as a free in-detail drug testing

Re pharma pills, there is a margin of error but I believe it's pretty tight, a 1.5mg clonaz that was meant to be 2mg wouldn't be acceptable, perhaps even a 1.8 or 1.9 wouldn't be

I believe a lot of the pharma products that hit the black market are ones that failed quality control, either too strong or too weak

 

[ezpzlemonsqueezy]

I imagine that Wedinos don't give the exact mg's either because they're a small operation and don't have the skills and equipment, or they just don't want people taking the piss and using them as a free in-detail drug testing

Re pharma pills, there is a margin of error but I believe it's pretty tight, a 1.5mg clonaz that was meant to be 2mg wouldn't be acceptable, perhaps even a 1.8 or 1.9 wouldn't be

I believe a lot of the pharma products that hit the black market are ones that failed quality control, either too strong or too weak

That's what I'm thinking. I think many of these - whether it's Rivotril, Ksalol, Bensedrin and others aren't necessarily the product of some criminal gang pressing them and faking them to their upmost best. Although that definitely does happen as well! I just think many of them fail quality control and end up being hitting the black market as you say.

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

I have Rivotril's accumulated as I don't like to take it but it is in bottle, Cherla Pharm prescribed only I tried also those from Galenika or whoever in Serbia do em those are extremely boring pills I mean bottle and blisters something about them just I don't know they are subtle.



taking like 6mg which is not recommended if you don't have like big tolerance would just put me like 2hr sleep after that would feel like shit for next 6 hrs.

Why boring?, no motivation to do things and also I test it with movies f.e. on pregabalin movies are good great on Phenibut and ket like am in with production or am astral inside the film but clonazepam just make me depressed and not interested though I remember taking them once I must been in one of withdrawals so a bit manic which I like i can do things manic but depressed or anhedonia is a better word.

Its been a while since I seen those blisters and yes both the ones in the bottle take even longer to dissolve but they are heavy minty

 

[Bleaney]

I believe a lot of the pharma products that hit the black market are ones that failed quality control, either too strong or too weak

That would make a lot of sense. Also probably many stocks that have passed their expiry date, probably never quite make it to the incinerator, and instead get "diverted."

How the rest of the genuine pharma products make it to the black market I'm not sure. Production facility or haulage theft and robberies? Police confiscations also getting "diverted"?

It would be an interesting subject for a good journalist or youtuber to investigate and do a feature on. Obviosuly they'd need insider contacts though, and that would be the key to it all. Once the contacts were in place, the rest of the story weould write itself!

W/e the case there doesnt seem to be enough product to meet the demand, seeing as at least 50 - 75 % of black market benzo products seem to be fake these days.

 

[ezpzlemonsqueezy]

That would make a lot of sense. Also probably many stocks that have passed their expiry date, probably never quite make it to the incinerator, and instead get "diverted."

How the rest of the genuine pharma products make it to the black market I'm not sure. Production facility or haulage theft and robberies? Police confiscations also getting "diverted"?

It would be an interesting subject for a good journalist or youtuber to investigate and do a feature on. Obviosuly they'd need insider contacts though, and that would be the key to it all. Once the contacts were in place, the rest of the story weould write itself!

W/e the case there doesnt seem to be enough product to meet the demand, seeing as at least 50 - 75 % of black market benzo products seem to be fake these days.

Most of them come from Eastern Europe. A lot of the brands mentioned on this forum are manufactured there. Including the one mentioned in this thread. So yes, facility and haulage theft, robberies, police 'confiscations' getting diverted and straight up actual product probably being diverted and sold on the black market for x amount more than what it's worth. For instance a box of 2 mg Galenika Clonazepam of 30 tablets would cost no more than the equivalent of $4-5 at the pharmacy in Serbia and the neighboring countries. A blister of that box that somehow made its way to, erm, facilities or people outside of the pharmaceutical world would probably set you back three or four times as much. Just a blister!

Before anyone goes off on me, I should know, I'm Eastern European myself. This isn't specific to medicine and or medical supplies and such. It goes for pretty much everything.