Riots Break Out In Berkley Over Gay Libertarian Immigrant Speaker

[zephyr]

Well, he doesn't like it so it must be..

Interesting from Aussie perspective to observe the huge preoccupation with the constitution in the US as if it is a sacred text. Its been amended so often that its hardly the same historical document of the founders.

I dont think AK47s existed when that constitutional thing was scripted and would refer to arms and conditions of that era so should really be updated.

 

[Droppersneck]

The pepper box, Gatling gun, etc existed. Americas second amendment is the western worlds last line of defense against tyranny. Third world savages have fought of the US military for over a decade with soviet era overstock. The well equipped American populace is a force to be reckoned with. And the thought that the American military would just turn on its own people is painful ignorant.

The AR-15 rifle I just built out of fear Hillary was going to win the presidency hasn't had a round through it yet. I'll probably put a few through to line it up, but after that never shoot it again. I only like to use guns for their constitutional purpose, so it will only be used if the queen of England or John McCain comes knocking on my door and starts pushing me around.

 

[Reaver99]

Droppers wonder how you feel about Milo's defense of paedophillia? I disagree with you on almost everything but nothing wrong with that, however your utterly inane conviction that 'liberals' are trying to soften public opinion towards paedophillia is so fucking offensive and wrong on various levels. I'm left of centre but i'd happily do horrible things to paedophiles, wouldn't mind seeing you drop this line of attack because it seriously demeans you + your credibility on a variety of other issues.

 

[Droppersneck]

I listened to the interview. He was saying that he, as 17 year old boy, felt it was okay to learn his sexuality from a 29 yo man. This was a fake news article made by the liberal media to attempt to get him to go away. The left in this case don't know how to take him down since milo is a gay, Jewish, immigrant, with libertarian principle many agree with. They recently did the same thing to pewdiepie. Pewdiepie stopped pushing the swj narrative, and was begging to become red pilled. The media got nervous b/c his audience is so much larger than all of theirs combined so they did that hit piece making him out to be a racist. When in all reality he is just a harmless Swedish guy that told a bad joke. I'm so glad our great president has the balls to call out the media for what it it, the opposition of the American people.

 

[Reaver99]

I was watching an interview the other day and I don't particularly find him the sort of abhorrent creature hes portrayed in the media. However this even-handedness is not something you seem capable of offering across the aisle however, you seem to latch onto a viewpoint and fit all the evidence in around it, while taking pleasure in the fact that a large group of people disagree with you. Again there's nothing wrong with being contrary, where you take it to the extremes and look a bit ignorant/bitter, is when you claim things like "Liberals trying to make paedophillia acceptable" and its clear that you want to believe this because THUS it invalidates all their other viewpoints and tarnishes them as a group.
Edit-Phrasing.

 

[treezy z]

I dont think AK47s existed when that constitutional thing was scripted and would refer to arms and conditions of that era so should really be updated.

First off I want to clarify what is being defined as an assault rifle by the media. The media declares any scary looking gun to be an assault rife. Most of these scary looking guns are semi-automatic, not much different than most other guns of the past 100 years. So when you see a mass shooting involving an assault rifle, it almost never involves a fully automatic weapon, since these are hard to come by and difficult and expensive to get a license for.

A standard AR-15 for example is NOT an assault rifle.


An actual assault rifle is fully automatic. When Maoist senators call to ban "assault weapons" they are talking about semi-automatic rifles with certain types of grips and shit. Fully automatics are mostly already banned. Semi-automatic AK-47 is legal I believe never looked into it, but then it's basically a normal rifle anyway.

Regarding the constitution:

It's not a "living, breathing" document, the bolsheviks are the ones saying that.

If you really want to try and mind read the thinking of the authors of the constitution (you don't have to, they wrote it down) they would see the rising political crime against various freedoms and the current threats to the very existence of our republic may require EXTREMELY heavy weaponry.

 

[alasdairm]

so no issue with citizens owning nukes?

alasdair

 

[Droppersneck]

You think they didn't know that firearms would become more advanced?

The greatest minds of all time thought the musket was the end all be all of firearms technology

I dont think AK47s existed when that constitutional thing was scripted and would refer to arms and conditions of that era so should really be updated.

Some one from an extreme nanny state would never be able to logically understand the purpose of the 2nd amendment imo. Remember no other amendments would exist without the second.

so no issue with citizens owning nukes?

alasdair

I was talking to my bro in law this weekend. He is a Democratic Party official and extremely anti gun/ pro authoritarian control. He got news somehow that I had built that 223 rifle and asked me how it shot. I told him I wasn't going to shoot it for fun as I only own it for it's constitutional purpose, so it will likely never see a bullet. Unless we see a tyrannical government..

 

[treezy z]

Good answer droppersneck he was probably testing to see if he could get you arrested, marriage be damned.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

F

If you really want to try and mind read the thinking of the authors of the constitution (you don't have to, they wrote it down) they would see the rising political crime against various freedoms and the current threats to the very existence of our republic may require EXTREMELY heavy weaponry.

Not sure what all these gun owners are waiting for to happen to "take back their country" The government has been engaged in extreme corruption for a long time, taking probably 50-75% of tax money, stealing it, and giving it to trillionaires. I guess the few scraps they let americans keep of their own hard work are enough to keep people from doing anything about stealing the rest of it, keeping everyone in poverty, imprisoning for profit, overcharging for healthcare/insurance, and directly funnelling our tax dollars into the coffers of corporations and billionaires.

For a group of people that fantasize so much about the day they get to "take back their government" republicans are doing a shitty ass job of doing anything about all of the ass-fucking of the hardworking american going on.

it seems the founding fathers would be very dissapointed in learning that the population is doing nothing to stand up for itself despite having all these arms

 

[treezy z]

so no issue with citizens owning nukes?

alasdair

Always with the tired sophistry.

I would allow everything but weapons of mass destruction. Such as cruise missiles chemical weapons etc.

Rocket launchers, grenades, chain guns, certain artillery I would make fully legal over the age of 21, pistols rifles shotguns legal with parental approval past the age of 8.

Mass shootings are bad, it's unfortunate that Democrats would send goons to shoot up schools to try and ban guns.

Tyranny is far worse however. Marxists killed over 100,000,000 in the 20th century, and national socialists started World War 2.

 

[treezy z]

For a group of people that fantasize so much about the day they get to "take back their government" republicans are doing a shitty ass job of doing anything about all of the ass-fucking of the hardworking american going on.

You quoted me and attacked Republicans, I would like to point out I'm not a fucking Republican 85-97% of Republican politicians are scum, as opposed to 95-100% of democrats (both of these are estimates), but it's basically a useless distinction at this point. They all serve the banks. If Hillary Clinton won they could just say fuck it it's not the united states of america it's the bank of america bitch, we get everything.

Nationalism vs globalism, the people vs the elite, those are the battles I am interested

 

[Reaver99]

"it's unfortunate that Democrats would send goons to shoot up schools to try and ban guns."
Goddamn. Really hoping your just trying to kick up some controversy here. If you actually believe that I sincerely recommend seeking some form of psychiatric help.
Edit- Not being cheeky here, think you may have serious paranoia issues if you beleve any sort of criticism/drawback of your views must be some HUGE conspiracy involving 100's of tragic deaths, grieving parents etc etc..

 

[alasdairm]

Remember no other amendments would exist without the second.

if it's so important why's it an amendment at all? if it's as fundamental as you imply, why's it not in the first paragraph of the constitution? and if it's the most important amendment, why did they list it second?

I was talking to my bro in law this weekend. He is a Democratic Party official and extremely anti gun/ pro authoritarian control. He got news somehow that I had built that 223 rifle and asked me how it shot. I told him I wasn't going to shoot it for fun as I only own it for it's constitutional purpose, so it will likely never see a bullet. Unless we see a tyrannical government..

that is an answer to as question nobody asked.

Not sure what all these gun owners are waiting for to happen to "take back their country"...

indeed.

i'm constantly told that the only thing stopping government tyranny is droppers and his gun. when george bush was president, he invaded iraq and justified it by lying to the american people. further, he signed the 'patriot' act and authorized the nsa to invade the privacy of u.s. citizens with no requirement for a search warrant. and a thousand other examples of insidious government tyranny.

if gun-toting, 2nd-amendment believers don't think that's reason enough to get busy taking the government down a notch, what's it going to take? seriously, what are they waiting for?

all mouth and no trousers.

Always with the tired sophistry.

point out the fallacy in my argument?

I would allow everything but weapons of mass destruction.

by any reasonable definition, weapons of mass destruction are 'arms' so, like many people, you're just arguing for limits on the second amendment.

...it's unfortunate that Democrats would send goons to shoot up schools to try and ban guns.

can you substantiate this or should i assume it's just a crazy, partisan, false flag conspiracy theory?

alasdair

 

[LucidSDreamr]

You quoted me and attacked Republicans, I would like to point out I'm not a fucking Republican 85-97% of Republican politicians are scum, as opposed to 95-100% of democrats (both of these are estimates), but it's basically a useless distinction at this point. They all serve the banks. If Hillary Clinton won they could just say fuck it it's not the united states of america it's the bank of america bitch, we get everything.

Nationalism vs globalism, the people vs the elite, those are the battles I am interested

unfortunately very few people share that distinction. They are either worried about transgendered and muslim people being called names....or worried about not being allowed to have machine guns. nobody seems that worried about the fact that 90% of their tax dollars are being given away to billionaires and not used on the country.


i wasn't implying your were republican, it was pretty plain that you aren't from past posts i've read of yours. I'm just saying the whole "guns to defend against tyrrany" thinig is a total failure because nobody is doing anything about the gross corruption in washington.

Bail-outs for billionaires and they all get bonuses for destroying everyones lives and then bribe politicians to give more bailouts....not a single shot fired

 

[Droppersneck]

Its only an amendment bc the founding fathers wanted to clarify the constitution, knowing how important the right to bear arms is and how tempting it would be to a power hungry government to take that right.

 

[consumer]

First off I want to clarify what is being defined as an assault rifle by the media. The media declares any scary looking gun to be an assault rife. Most of these scary looking guns are semi-automatic, not much different than most other guns of the past 100 years. So when you see a mass shooting involving an assault rifle, it almost never involves a fully automatic weapon, since these are hard to come by and difficult and expensive to get a license for.

A standard AR-15 for example is NOT an assault rifle.


An actual assault rifle is fully automatic. When Maoist senators call to ban "assault weapons" they are talking about semi-automatic rifles with certain types of grips and shit. Fully automatics are mostly already banned. Semi-automatic AK-47 is legal I believe never looked into it, but then it's basically a normal rifle anyway.

Regarding the constitution:

It's not a "living, breathing" document, the bolsheviks are the ones saying that.

If you really want to try and mind read the thinking of the authors of the constitution (you don't have to, they wrote it down) they would see the rising political crime against various freedoms and the current threats to the very existence of our republic may require EXTREMELY heavy weaponry.

So if all these mass shootings are committed with semi automatics you still think having easy access to them is a good idea?

Droppers you may call Australia a nanny state (which is a bit rich coming from an American where you have the worlds highest prison population ) but we dont have the same problem with mass shootings you do. I guess as long as you can play cowboys and indians with your guns you are happy to accept the slaughter of innocent people time and time again. Your obsession with guns is just plain weird...in the extreme

 

[Droppersneck]

Australia is an extreme nanny state. Being an island everything that comes in is highly regulated/ censored. Most things are banned or illegal there that I know of. My obsession is with freedom and our constitution! Guns are just the ultimate symbol of freedom. The left is really trying to crack down on free speech calling all politically opposing thought/speech "hate speech". This would really worry me if not for the 2nd amendment and our strong constitution.
I think we need major legal/ prison reform here, admittedly. All prisons should be ran by the state. We get into trouble when the freedom of man is put in the hands of capitalist companies. Capatilism is great, but even a limited government guy like myself see the need for government here.

 

[consumer]

What is banned here apart from guns? What are these "most things" you refer too?

 

[consumer]

And guns are not banned...just semi automatics.