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Research chemical verdicts!

Regarding doing drugs for "purposes of enlightment" as opposed to solely for recreation and this board: Yes, I agree that what was said needed to be said. I do think that alot of people pretend to be psychonauts when they really just like to get "fucked up". But then I also know that there are people (admittedly, a small number)who use drugs as true psychonauts.
I am a psychonaut in respect to most drugs I have used - I usually only try a particular drug a couple of times so that I understand the effects, but after I am no longer interested in using the drug again. However, although my initial use of MDMA was as a psychonaut, I admit that my use of it now (which is still very occasional), is mostly reacreational.
Valuable research chemicals, IMO:
-5-MEO-DIPT, a small, not really significant amoount of recreational value in a sexual context
-2-CT-7, slightly more recreational value than psychonaut value, but definately valuable -- I found it euphoric, and I also appreciated that it helped me to think about things that were going on in my life (particularily in temrs of emotions and relationships) in creative/novel/more objective ways.
There is so much more I could say in response to this thread...but my fingers are cramped, so I will return later.
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I have come to the decision that 2ct7 is simply not my ally... my first experience was with 10 mgs plugged. After two hours I did not feel anything at all, so I snorted somewhere between 8-10 mg...
After the pain/nausea/flushing and crying ended, I was left with very little significant change... subtle visuals, subtle mind change... so I put it on the back burner.
Tonight, I decided to give a new method of administration a try and smoked 10 mgs, by vaporizing it on a piece of aluminum foil... admittedly this was a very high smoked dose, but bearing the subtlety of my previous experience I thought it was warranted.
It was far too much at once... After smoking it there was about one second to say, "I should have done less."
Then I was running to the toilet while my insides were torn from me. My body temp shot dramatically, my skin flushed, and my muscles were shaky...
interestingly, neither the visuals or the mental aspects ever got above a plus two... very slight trip for extreme body load... perhaps its something about the drug, perhaps its something about my biochemistry but its not worth it for me...
Love,
Pure
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"He was also a bit of a whack job. In all his years of drug use, he never quite figured out that you can't find the answers to humanity in a freakin' drug."
I disagree with this point. I don't think the man in a whack job at all, probably a bit eccentricm, but most genius seem to be that way. But where I really disagree is that you say he's trying to design drugs to find the answers of humanity. But I believe in Phikal, he actually says something to the effect that drugs are just a way of cheating to get where you want to go. He goes on to say that the insight, revelation, egoloss etc., can all be acheived through other techiques not involving drugs - such as mediation - religion - yoga - eastern philosophies, etc. He said drugs are simply a shortcut for the lazy people of the world who are trying to find this earth shattering insight.
 
Actually, Shulgin says that drugs are a quicker and sometimes more reliable way of achieving these insights. Unless he restated it again in a different passage with the word "lazy" I don't think he mentioned that.
Although I have noticed that it's a common trend with non-drug using spiritual explorers to disparage drug use, saying it's "cheating," "the easy way out," and "lazy." I don't know about anyone else, but I tend to feel more worn out after a few hits of LSD than any time I've ever meditated, and last I checked there was a considerably higher percentage of people who have had difficult, mind-blowing experiences (i.e., bad trips)on psychedelics than yoga. So I definitely wouldn't call drugs the lazy man's enlightenment. I'd call it the accelerated 8-week course as opposed to the normal semester.
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Harlequin
~Esta arte me encanta, eu non posso mais sair.~
 
You are correct Harlequin, he never says lazy, or cheating. I was just interjecting my very liberal interpretation; though I probably shouldn't have. But I like how you put it - "accelerated 8-week course as opposed to the normal semester". Great analogy.
I don't claim to meditate alot, but the occassions I've tried, I usually don't have any success - though one time I had resounding success and had a full out of body experience. I haven't yet had any insights, visions, etc. to date. But the out of body experience beat any that I had gotten from drugs.
 
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