Repetitive hallucinations

[rpm]

Yeah, I'm just posting because recently a lot of my trips have visualy focused on the same thing. I think this has happened 4 times:

1st:20mg dmt - Closed my eyes and there was this amazing fractal image, a bit like a strange atractor or something, I could zoom in and zoom out, unfortunatly my friend was woried and snapped me out of it.
2nd: 300mic lsd + 20mg 2ce - started seeing strange connection paterns hanging in the air again like a scale free network or a strange atractor, with symbols and numbers that I could zoom into.
3rd: 7g mushrooms and unknown amount of 4-aco-mipt - Same as above, crazy numbers and symbols, as if in a foriegn language
4th: 2.5g mushrooms - same as before but less intense, symbols apearing around faces, and occasionally beside objects.

Anyone else had anything like this?

Any idea what it means. It is simply too detailed and lucid to be random firing of neurons. I can only think that the information is somhow a projection of the internal workings of my visual cortex or it comes from somewhere outside me!

Any thoughts?

[edit] I'll post a picture of something resembling it tomorrow.

 

[Eldaren]

How about some information about who you are? What do you do? What do you think about? What do you like? This stuff is most likely a manifestation of something about you, not your stimuli.

Also, what are your feelings towards these numbers and symbols and stuff? Positive, negative, neutral?

 

[rpm]

How about some information about who you are? What do you do? What do you think about? What do you like? This stuff is most likely a manifestation of something about you, not your stimuli.

Also, what are your feelings towards these numbers and symbols and stuff? Positive, negative, neutral?

Yes I have thought alot about the conection with my life. I am a neuroscientist and I do some work with no linear dynamics. I see a lot of fractals, scale free networks ect in my work so I suppose it could be a memory engram that is somhow being activated. But I don't know, subjectivly that just doesn't feel right. The visuals are too detailed to be just a memory in my opinion, they are like something you might see in very advanced computer animation.

As to how I feel about them, interested. With a lingering feeling that I want to see more and find where it might be leading!

 

[Eldaren]

Maybe your subconscious has caught onto something to extend in your field? Or a concept that you find particularly intriguing for some reason, maybe you didn't get it or are questioning your understanding. I'm not a neuroscientist so I don't understand your field, nor am I going to claim so, but I would keep an open mind to having thought of something brilliant in there. It's going to be extremely abstract and hard to figure out though, by the sounds of it.

Next time you're tripping, maybe try writing down what you see/feel and try to capture it as best you can. I love analysing what I write when I'm tripping when I'm sober, I discover a lot of things about myself that I didn't fully realise. I never re-read anything I write when I'm high and think I have some sort of new discovery. Letting it flow gives some interesting results.

 

[Raw Evil]

You just discovered form constants.

 

[diche]

could be a manefestation of internal conflict, or something of that caliber but with happy feelings associated with it.

 

[rpm]

You just discovered form constants.

Don't think it's quite that. Although I have sometimes seen grids which appear everywhere which I believe is associated.

This is the best I can do to show you what I see

But suffice to say it is cooler and with symbols around the join points, and of course 3d.

 

[rpm]

could be a manefestation of internal conflict, or something of that caliber but with happy feelings associated with it.

What makes you say that? These trips have always been at times where I have felt very unconflicted, at least I think. But seriously, what makes you say so. Do you have similar experiences?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

This is normal; I had a break through K experience which led me having strong dissociation among a lot of people. I saw a pair of numbers above everyone's head; the numbers gauged the success/accomplishments/happiness of the people...it was rather sudden and I didn't quite know what to make of it other than feeling 110% on top of the world myself.

It was a nice experience overall.

If you're re-experiencing psychedelic phenomena, this typically means you have something you should work on by yourself, with someone else, or with a group of people.

I have had repetitive "loops" occur in a single trip, and they've also extended beyond just one trip and I'll re-experience a loop that I had previously experienced in a different psychedelic encounter.

Don't be worried and don't panic when you notice you're experiencing something again/more often than you'd like to. Sometimes there's perfectly good reasons for you to re-live through something over and over again.

Even when I was dissociated fully and living through loops within time and space (this mostly happens to me on mushrooms, especially when I eat at least 7g, but for example...)

My 2 friends walk in the room. My fiancee and I are together, we all talk though I am unable to do anything I think about, other than observe teh environment. The 2 friends say "see you soon" and walk out of the room - and just as soon as they left, they came back in! Except, it was as if time itself looped back to right before they had entered.

I was frightened when it kept happening over and over and over again. I even tried to say/do things differently, but each time my efforts of changing anything about the situation were thwarted by time moving before I could react!

It can get quite difficult to have a sane thought in your head under such circumstances.

What makes you say that? These trips have always been at times where I have felt very unconflicted, at least I think. But seriously, what makes you say so. Do you have similar experiences?

The second to most recent mushroom experience I had, I experienced looping and I thought I was unconflicted, but boy was I wrong. The subconscious part of your mind has this nasty little habit of keeping things from you, until it can no longer hold back; the flood gates break down, and everything your mind was 'protected' from, or avoided, or had a conflict with, surges to the forefront part of the conscious mind and won't leave it.

I quickly solved this problem by withdrawing and dissociating...but that was not helpful as I quickly began entering interconnecting loops (where at the end of one loop I'd be in the beginning of another - but in a different room). As impossible as this may sound, I was completely convinced (and still am) that my soul was being transported through different sections of time throughout the trip, until the peak ended (and boy was I thankful to not be delirious anymore) %)

 

[rpm]

It was a nice experience overall.

That how mine where.

Don't be worried and don't panic when you notice you're experiencing something again/more often than you'd like to. Sometimes there's perfectly good reasons for you to re-live through something over and over again.

I don't panic and I won't. I WANT to experience this again, and in more detail, perhaps a q of shroms and some dmt.... %)

It can get quite difficult to have a sane thought in your head under such circumstances.
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I experienced looping and I thought I was unconflicted, but boy was I wrong. The subconscious part of your mind has this nasty little habit of keeping things from you, until it can no longer hold back; the flood gates break down, and everything your mind was 'protected' from, or avoided, or had a conflict with, surges to the forefront part of the conscious mind and won't leave it.

The thing is that during these experiences I feel pretty lucid, able to hold conversations ect. And as to my subconsious, I've done a lot of delving recently and I think the shocking stuff is already out in the open....

but that was not helpful as I quickly began entering interconnecting loops (where at the end of one loop I'd be in the beginning of another - but in a different room). As impossible as this may sound, I was completely convinced (and still am) that my soul was being transported through different sections of time throughout the trip, until the peak ended (and boy was I thankful to not be delirious anymore) %)

Yeah I've had that one, not a nice experience. Apearing in one room and sudenly being somwhere else, only to be back 30 minutes ago ...
(that was a long time ago)


In short, I think you misinterpeted. I'm not woried, paniced, scared I'm going crazy or anything. I just want to share my experience and see if anyone else has any views on what it means or has had it themselves.

Thanks for the post tho, it made good reading. Peace

 

[Dusk]

Yep this has happened to me numerous times.

During the peak of most of my trips Ill see extravagant patterns and symbols everywhere. On peoples faces, the carpet, reflections. It almost looks like some kind of ancient indian writing?

On the comedown I will still see the patterns occasionally but obviously the effects have weakened.

I've probably seen the same symbols in over 12 of somewhere around 25 trips I've taken


@Captian 'If you're re-experiencing psychedelic phenomena, this typically means you have something you should work on by yourself, with someone else, or with a group of people.'


What exactly do you mean 'It means you have something to work on?

 

[rpm]

During the peak of most of my trips Ill see extravagant patterns and symbols everywhere. On peoples faces, the carpet, reflections. It almost looks like some kind of ancient indian writing?

Exactly, like sanskrit or mathimatical symbols.

@Captian 'If you're re-experiencing psychedelic phenomena, this typically means you have something you should work on by yourself, with someone else, or with a group of people.'


What exactly do you mean 'It means you have something to work on?

Yeah I was wondering this too, as well as the "by yourself, with someone else, or with a group of people" - prety much covers all bases doesn't it!

 

[Huyhiak]

I was contemplating a sort of compiled trip report based around the same phenomena. I'm no neuroscientist nor am I very mathematically inclined.

Same thing though, the patterns and symbols. I've tried before to write these down but it seems that as soon as I lay pen to paper the detail dissolves. I'd liken them as well to what appears to be some form of cuneiform writing looking like sanskrit.

The most recent also involved a bird like creature that trailed these symbols in it's wake around the heads of people around me. This was partial OEV and CEV.

I've talked to others as well but only two people related the same as well as grids.

I really think there is something to this based in deep subconscious most likely relating across the spectrum of us all. Writing came from somewhere, mathematically precise patterns came from somewhere. Perhaps we're just tapping that source.

 

[Putingrad]

When I first started smoking cannabis, for the first twenty or so times I would get a closed-eye-visual that was a collage of various different objects and patterns that I could not possibly begin to describe right now, but would always be there upon closing my eyes.

 

[pseudononamouse]

Try drawing this recurring image while looking at it so you can analyize it more sober.

 

[naginnudej]

I receive almost the exact same CEVs when I partake in ketamine or marijuana. The CEVs of Ketamine seem to be more vivid and long lasting, but I find myself swooping in, under, and above a an endless sea of geometric patterns. The longer I watch these visuals, the more I am able to control them. Only once have the CEVs escalated to the point where I saw something that I could actually discern; I once farther into the patterns than I ever have before and witnessed rows and rows of people sitting on long benches staring intently at something that was positioned out of my

By no means am I mad that this is the only thing I usually see with my eyes closed on these particular substances. In fact, I am rather certain there is something for me to take away from them--just a matter of time I guess.

Good luck discerning yours :D

 

[DiaLæT]

Yeah, I'm just posting because recently a lot of my trips have visualy focused on the same thing. I think this has happened 4 times:

1st:20mg dmt - Closed my eyes and there was this amazing fractal image, a bit like a strange atractor or something, I could zoom in and zoom out, unfortunatly my friend was woried and snapped me out of it.
2nd: 300mic lsd + 20mg 2ce - started seeing strange connection paterns hanging in the air again like a scale free network or a strange atractor, with symbols and numbers that I could zoom into.
3rd: 7g mushrooms and unknown amount of 4-aco-mipt - Same as above, crazy numbers and symbols, as if in a foriegn language
4th: 2.5g mushrooms - same as before but less intense, symbols apearing around faces, and occasionally beside objects.

Anyone else had anything like this?

Any idea what it means. It is simply too detailed and lucid to be random firing of neurons. I can only think that the information is somhow a projection of the internal workings of my visual cortex or it comes from somewhere outside me!

Any thoughts?

[edit] I'll post a picture of something resembling it tomorrow.

LSD likes to give me a bunch of symbols. It's just a huge array of layers coming off of the ridges of typical things that have ridges, and I get splattered with a huge spectrum of symbols that are completely uninterpretable and incomprehensive. but i can always feel the emotions. they feel either extremely dark and confused, but normally i can feel exactly what i think of them. senseless. a longing to be comprehensive but just can't possibly fit in anywhere with logic and reason. i dunno, i've had some fucking weird acid trips in my time, only one of them was in any way satisfying, the other 3 were just pathetic and i despised them.

 

[sleepysaint]

I really think there is something to this based in deep subconscious most likely relating across the spectrum of us all. Writing came from somewhere, mathematically precise patterns came from somewhere. Perhaps we're just tapping that source.

That's an interesting idea, but I think the reason so many people share this experience may simply be because we're all surrounded by written language. A considerably large portion of our verbal brain is related to reading and text comprehension. I don't feel like written language was necessarily an innate mental concept until words and literacy became so profuse in sociiety.

I've had a few experiences on psychedelics where I was unable to read text, because the letters were rapidly shifting between real and nonsense characters. This effect had a far more profound impact on me than I would have imagined, because being unable to read made me feel uncommunicable. I wish I was able to remember more of the symbols/"letters" but I can say they weren't like cuneiform or Sanskrit, the symbols were very simplistic and looked a lot like English characters.

 

[rpm]

I receive almost the exact same CEVs when I partake in ketamine or marijuana. The CEVs of Ketamine seem to be more vivid and long lasting, but I find myself swooping in, under, and above a an endless sea of geometric patterns. The longer I watch these visuals, the more I am able to control them. Only once have the CEVs escalated to the point where I saw something that I could actually discern; I once farther into the patterns than I ever have before and witnessed rows and rows of people sitting on long benches staring intently at something that was positioned out of my

By no means am I mad that this is the only thing I usually see with my eyes closed on these particular substances. In fact, I am rather certain there is something for me to take away from them--just a matter of time I guess.

Good luck discerning yours :D

I've had many experiences when I can discern things, films playing on walls, figures danceing. But somhow this is diffrent. Just seems more significant- first they where 3d in the air in front of me, second I didn't have to concentrate to see them.

Strangly I don't get visuals when I'm on K, just thoughts and a feeling that my vision is a long way away.

@Huyhiak: sound like a nice idea to compile a trip report. Think next time i trip I'm gonna try and draw pictures, use a dictaphone ect. Then post transcripts and pictures on here. If you do the same let me know.

 

[kobilica]

On 2C-I or 2C-E, I always get sensation like I am in reading mode( reading a book) when I look at the words/graphites on walls/road/anything. But I can't make sense of what I have had red.