Religions. Tribal units and a good way to appease our love of drama and war.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Religions. Tribal units and a good way to appease our loveof drama and war.

But we need something better.

At their roots, religions were created as entertainment forus as well as to appease our tribal need of fellowship, drama and love of war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T64_El2s7FU

We are all politicians, in a sense, and I hope you can usethat aspect of your nature to reply here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHc-yMcfAY4

Philosophers class religions as one of the creations man hascreated to entertain himself and a way to appease our tribal instincts. Basically,religions help fill our need of fellowship, drama and love of war.

Given that the more tribes in a community and the more acommunity is divided, the more conflict will arise. Jihads and holy wars haveplagued us forever because of these tribal divisions.

Some will not attribute war to religions, only to those whowould use their religions for war, but the connection cannot be denied from atribal point of view. One seldom starts a war on his own and the fellowship ofreligions makes war a lot easier to start.

I begin to wonder why we have not invented a better way toappease out tribal natures and love of drama and war. We have tried to usesports, but hooliganism has come from that and thus sports are not that good ofa vehicle for us to reduce violence.

What would you suggest for us to invent, and make sacred,---- to appease out tribal natures, while also appeasing our love of drama andwar, --- but without that violent aspect?

Regards
DL

P.S. – I think we should sacralise morality but would notknow how to do so as religions try and fail miserably in this and governmentseldom use that word. No new religion would be trusted to do so because themainstream religions are demonstrably immoral.

 

[Ninae]

Do you ever wake up and think you should change the record, GB?

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Do you ever wake up and think you should change the record, GB?

Not while immoral religions are given respect by anyone.

Regards
DL

 

[Cosmic Trigger]

From some of what I've read religion was created to appease fear of death and fear of natural forces we didn't understand which is also fear of death.

I'm sure it filled other needs also. Just a need for meaning in a meaningless existence would or could be a reason. I'd rather have it be meaningless than have the meaning religion wants to make for me.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

From some of what I've read religion was created to appease fear of death and fear of natural forces we didn't understand which is also fear of death.

I'm sure it filled other needs also. Just a need for meaning in a meaningless existence would or could be a reason. I'd rather have it be meaningless than have the meaning religion wants to make for me.

Indeed. Meaningless freedom is better than mental slavery to some immoral cult.

Regards
DL

I think I have a possible solution.

The unified field of consciousness discovered by modern quantum physics.
This fundamental field of intelligence in nature has been known about for centuries through Vedic meditation practices, and is now a growing understanding through the use of certain psychoactive substances.
In the unified field is understood to be what is described as an energy source. People who have encountered the energy source describe it as the same geometric shape (The tube torus or phi double spiral). More importantly they have the same name for it- infinity.

It is a growing realization that this energy source is the concept of infinity which we all evolutionarily chase.

With this understanding that there is only one consciousness,
a natural goal of morality which arrises is evolution toward survival and peace for every nervous system.
The fact that we experience the emotion of love when we reproduce has potential to drive evolution in a peaceful direction once we realize we are chasing endless advancement.

This spiritual understanding is different than other established religions in that the unified field is open to direct experience (most popularly through Transcendental Meditation and LSD), sciences continue to increase in their indication of the fundamental field, and the morality which it encourages is directly in support of what allowed it's creation.


Love∞

You are basically talking of a new religion and as I stated above, that has been tried often and failed.

Logic and reason do not seem to be working to end our warring ways and I do not see un-provable drug induced beliefs as a way of unifying a divided world.

Mind you, if all people could be induced to party together and sample various psychotropic drugs, we might be less tempted to war against each other.

The notion of all being in God or thinking there is only a single consciousness etc. is quite old and has never taken off. It seems people prefer the us and them notion that the all in one.

Regards
DL

 

[Nixiam]

So did Christ. Not that I think that chasing infinity or what not is a bad thing, I'm just anti religion.

I think that the majority of people should come to realizations like this on their own, with better education.

And I would love to think that everyone could just take 300ug of world class LSD and be perfect, but I doubt it.

 

[Nixiam]

Nono, you're fine. Most of us want peace, but we will never stop disagreeing on what is the best road to take. Last thing we need is another religion, and the first thing we need is a bunch of people sometime in the century to strive to a non detrimental goal of happiness, constantly seeking out infinity and letting themselves enter the great cycle that benefits us all, including mother nature.

That would be biblical.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

As long as people are driven to reproduce, the concept of infinity which we all evolutionarily chase will only become more understood. Quantum mechanics shows how consciousness is not superficial, but a fundamental quality of nature, and the different forms of string/superstring/M theories all attempt to explain the unified field. Again there are natural (albeit less entertaining) ways to access the unified field.
I truly believe this understanding has potential to end quite a bit of suffering in the world.
Love∞

I agree but few minds have the capability to find that field.

I cannot prove it but I may have reached it the one time and it hurts. Our minds may be actually blocking us from reaching that painful site.

I have yet to understand fully what Gnostic Christian Jesus meant here.

1. And he said, "Whoever finds the correct interpretation of these sayings will never die."
2. Jesus said, "The seeker should not stop until he finds. When he does find he will be disturbed. After having been disturbed, he will be astonished. Then he will reign over everything. [Having reigned, he will rest.]

Reign, in that quote, might just mean understanding what we are discussing here.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Infinity, in a sense, is here and now to those rich in knowledge and understanding. I think the knowledge is easy to access but the full understanding is lacking in most of us, including myself. Learning the full understanding is painful to us and that may be why few of us get out of our mental poverty.


That may be why we have so many sheeple and so few goats.

GnosticChristian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is inthe sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they sayto you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, theKingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who]become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] becomeacquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are thesons of the living Father.
But if youwill not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are thatpoverty."

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Why pain? If there's anything about the idea that I can shed any light on please let me know. I'm no scientist and only know what I've been able to read online about the physics of the unified field. I'm very familiar with the experience of it though.

We are evolving creatures/animals and in a real sense, because of our evolution, pain is good.


Evolution's main components are cooperation and competition.
Cooperation can be seen as good as no victim is created while competition creates a victim of loser to it.

Cooperation can be seen as pleasure while competition can be seen as pain.

If we, in that sense, did rid ourselves of pain, we would end our evolution and go extinct.

Regards
DL

 

[swilow]

A bedazzling amount of vbCode under GB's post. Anyhow.

Philosophers class religions as one of the creations man has created to entertain himself and a way to appease our tribal instincts. Basically,religions help fill our need of fellowship, drama and love of war.

I do think that religion buys into the same fundamental aspect of human behaviour as tribalism, but I think the roots are deeper in our evolutionary past. Our brains are wired to identify 'friend's/enemies' (us/them) extremely rapidly, without conscious thought. There have been studies which have been able to rapidly set people to forming completely arbitrary groups (such as by favorite colour- I forget the exact identifier used) and people displayed various fear responses when people asked to engage or interact with members belonging to other groups. It seems like tribes and relgions fulfil a similar person. Things like gangs and movements buy into a similar fundamental drive. As a side note, I'm of the view that male's fall into this dynamic extremely easily and often throughtout life, but one can see children of both genders doing similar things. Humans are incredibly soclal, and the opinions of others can be almost more important than that of ones own self, and I think religions also provide a sense of belonging (and, by the same token, exclusivity and rivalry and conflict). This sort of thing is especially vital in huge societies like our own where simple things like family and shared locale is not enough to create a tangible bond between strangers. Its why we invented nations/countries for. Humans will die for the groups we imagine ourselves into. We'll kill too.

I'm not so sure we created religion to appease a desire for war though. I think war is another relatively 'natural' side effect of being hierarchical, social, exclusionary and excessively masculine, and forming imaginary, subjective categorisations of people based on inter-subjective, pretend principles. The same instinct that binds us to choose an 'us' for safety and protection is also enforced through the notion of the 'other' as a threat. And humans have highly refined, sub-concious, instinctive reactions towards rapid aggression and calculated violence in the face of a perceived threat. . Its disheartening that religion has not been able to unite us- which has been an oft touted aim of religion. It only ends playing into the same old base responses though.

The unified field of consciousness discovered by modern quantum physics.

I assume that by discovered you mean conjectured? Throwing my sceptics hat on here.

Love∞

Though I think Peace means more to me than love.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

swilow

Nice reply my friend.

I agree that the roots go deeper into the past. even the oldest bush tribes had shaman and kings.

I also agree that the negative and positive biases we gain for or against others for color etc. are learned.



Let me see if I can add to your intelligent perspective in terms of our love of drama and war that religions play to.




I also agree that much of what religions and governments do is testosterone driven and that women are better peacemakers than men.

That propensity may inadvertently add to the excuses men use to start wars in terms of poor in-group loyalty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

Regards
DL

 

[Nixiam]

Women will just do the sneaky back stab Illuminati shit.

Jokes fellas.

How to appease our love of warfare? Truly, I find warfare fruitless, but sporty combat I find entertaining. That appeases me.

As for brotherhood, some friends/family and like minded people I can isolate myself with is also all I need

I don't think that you can appease aspects or traits of the human race, but surely you can misdirect from how it has been practiced for the last entirety of our existence.

Make education and ethics sacred.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Women will just do the sneaky back stab Illuminati shit.

Jokes fellas.

How to appease our love of warfare? Truly, I find warfare fruitless, but sporty combat I find entertaining. That appeases me.

As for brotherhood, some friends/family and like minded people I can isolate myself with is also all I need

I don't think that you can appease aspects or traits of the human race, but surely you can misdirect from how it has been practiced for the last entirety of our existence.

Make education and ethics sacred.

A good suggestion.

Not this kind of education.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypRcl4x80U4

Regards
DL

 

[swilow]

Conjectured works too. The skeptics hat has a very important evolutionary role. But I'd say that it's worth noting how long people have been probing and coming up with theory after theory of how to articulate this unified field. It's no coincidence that every new scientific breakthrough in particle physics indicates that consciousness is not superficial, but fundamental and primary throughout nature. And there's the direct experience of the unity which is totally subjective but all too consistent in it's description to let pass unheard of. The reason why I ascribe to this religious understanding instead of others is because of its absence of a group to discriminate against, and I don't see this one as a matter of faith or belief as others are. At least as much as we have faith or belief in anything in existence.
Peace&Love∞

I'm not entirely convinced that the universe is conscious or that consciousness is universal or paramount. I like the idea, but I don't know if there is much evidence for it...

Peace and love! :D

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

To all.

Consciousness usually has some intelligence or instincts that express' itself or better said, themselves, if it is a universal consciousness.

If you are a disembodied consciousness, you would likely make yourself known.

Right?

The fact that such an entity remains hidden indicates that it does not exist. It is as absent as the gods.

Regards
DL

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah I agree, it may be that a non-physical consciousness exists (or I should say, that life exists that is non-physical, not that there is just one or anything like that), but that we are unable to experience it at all, or at least not directly. I'm not saying it does, but I am not going to refute the possibility.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Isn't it possible that we're simply unable to experience such high calibre energies in our current mode of existence?

Sure. Just as the opposite is possible.

Anything or anyone that we cannot experience should be ignored as useless to us and it is a waste of time trying to find what cannot be found.

Like if you consider how the average person lives on a daily basis, isn't it insane to demand proof and expect communication with such an entity?

Yes.

In other words, why are you assuming something like that doesn't exist when maybe there's prerequisites to access this kind of knowledge?

For the same reason I assume Thor, Zeus and Lepricons do not exist. Those who do not class all such entities as myth end believing a whole lot of garbage.

If a god or other type of intelligence cannot make itself known then it is not worthy of our consideration and is just a ------

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ

Regards
DL

Yeah I agree, it may be that a non-physical consciousness exists (or I should say, that life exists that is non-physical, not that there is just one or anything like that), but that we are unable to experience it at all, or at least not directly. I'm not saying it does, but I am not going to refute the possibility.

We should all keep open minds but also be carefull not to let to much garbage based on nothing fill it.

That is how most religions started up and look at the garbage and damage that they have done to mankind over time.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/mary.html

For where the mind is, there is the treasure.

The Saviour answered and said, 'He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind which [is] between the two - that is [what] sees the vision...'

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Everything we know and believe is vetted by our minds, and minds, without confirmation of some kind, should not believe what is not repeatable.

I myself have a firm belief in telepathy only because I have a witness/victim to it. Without her, I would have to think it was just a mental aberration or burp.

I also have a second telepathic experience where I think I reached what some call a cosmic consciousness but from within the telepathic state, there is no perception of space or what the outside looks like. That tells me not to trust my own experience as I could have just reached what Jung and Freud dubbed my Father Complex.

I also have this for evidence but am not ready to believe. I offer my experience as an anecdotal rendering only.

https://vimeo.com/26318064

Regards
DL

 

[Foreigner]

The school of western rationality has a bad habit of tossing the baby out with a bath water. When you look at ancient cultures like in China, India, Africa, and virtually everywhere else by the west, there is continuity. Old systems become absorbed and integrated with newer understandings. Not so in the western schools. When a new way of thinking comes along, the western style is to completely disregard the previous one.

For instance, there are people in the world who still practice alchemy, and have entire labs dedicated to alchemical research. They post their findings to the relevant communities regularly. However, chemists who came after the alchemists dismiss the entire body of knowledge that came before, so they now operate in a mutually exclusive way; just like Paracelsus tossed out the Hippocratic school of humorism when he brought alchemy onto the scene. The same thing happened between astronomy and astrology - they used to be one school, now they're two, and the school that split completely dismisses the 500 years of study that came prior.

That's why there is a great deal of hubris among modern scientists. They are part and parcel with the western culture of dismissing the old in favour of the new. I wonder, are they aware that when a new cosmology comes along, they too will be discarded?

I love researching both eastern and western schools, but the eastern schools are easier to tap into because you don't have to sort through the nitty gritty of the separatism that the west suffers from. The downside of the east though is that they venerate the old schools until their cultures become completely stagnant. So it's not like one is better than the other.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

There is a progression in the way we accumulate and canonize knowledge. By your logic we'd still be living like cavemen.



That's not a fair statement at all. I'm not talking about a bearded guy in the clouds or something ridiculous like that. People like you is why the truth stays hidden. You're so bitter and confused but somehow also determined to antagonize others over something that you couldn't possibly have the answers to. Skepticism is good, but after a certain point it's just provocation.

The issue I spoke to was anything or anyone that we cannot experience.

You are talking about a truth and those can be experienced and internalized.

What you call provocation, I call an effort to have someone self-correct foolish thinking.

If we did not correct foolish thinking, then we would still be living in trees and caves.

Being skeptical of unproven or un-provable foolishness is just making sure that we do not fall prey to gullibility.
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; evenas a father the son in whom he delighteth.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what isgood.

Regards
DL