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Religion and weed compatible?

"Then God said, 'I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food.' And it was so." Genesis 1:29-1:30 (English-NIV)
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"For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him." Romans, ch. 14:2-3 (King James)
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How's that for starters? That took me approximately 5 seconds to find using Google. I'm sure there's many more....

Also, for what it's worth, when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in the mid-20th century, they were found encased in cannabis resin. Feel free to draw your own conclusions about that...
 
I personally believe Christianity and Cannabis use are compatiable. When I first started smoking I prayed all the time while high. I have fallen out of the practice but I believe its possible.

I think you need to get in the mindset, start praying, and than smoke to enhance the prayer more.

I am going to add, this is in no way accepted to almost any Christian.

I also go with the attitude of "some Christainity is better than none." I have since stopped preaching this as Jesus himself tells that this is possibly incorrect.
 
^lol "some christianity is better than none"

Yeah, weed pretty much killed any hope of me finding a higher power. Now in my sober days tho, I'm searching.
 
The first quote church gave, which is the one I hear most often when people discuss God and any possible "intention" he had for man and cannabis, is a pretty unreasonable example.

If you take it literally, meaning that God meant for us to consume cannabis, then God also meant for us to eat countless poisons as food. It is reasons like this that literal adaptation has proven quite contradictory and basically impossible.

Now the more popular christian endeavor is to simply draw your own conclusion from the teachings. So, maybe god made all these plants and left it up to us to decide which ones to eat. If so, then you may smoke weed. Maybe cannabis is here as a hedonistic temptation so that it may teach man to overcome such self indulgences, in which case you should not smoke weed.
Maybe the whole thing is so ambiguous that you practically need a mind altering drug to accept it, and thus cannabis was put here to help man understand the reasoning why cannabis is here.

Maybe I will lay in the bathtub and hit my head with a brick so that I can ask God why he created weed, and then you, and set up the universe so that you would be confused about this exact issue at this exact point in time, to which he will probably reply "I don't know, I was stoned".

Sorry if this is offensive, but I can rarely discuss anything in the bible without confusing myself 100x over. Good luck figuring this one out.
 
This is a pretty broad topic if you are including all religions in the mix. There are several schools of thought that see marijuana use as part of practicing their religion, or as being amoral.

I have a gist of the Roman Catholic's position on marijuana, as I was raised a Roman Catholic but no longer consider myself to be one. Anyway, it seems that they do not necesarily view it as morally wrong. Since members of the church are allowed to drink and smoke, MJ only becomes sinful when abused; when it takes away from your health, devotion to god, etc. They also view the body as a temple for your soul. Destruction of what god gave you, through whatever means including substance abuse, is also a sin. In the states a bishop even supported some activists in trying to get medical marijuana legalized.

The only conflict that arises is from the fact that MJ is illegal. Since the church views the law as just (does more harm than good for the society), smoking marijuana is breaking a just law and is therefore a sin.

If you want bible passages, Erowid has a couple articles by the Ethiopian Coptic Church citing things that support their arguments.
 
alostlittlebird said:
The first quote church gave, which is the one I hear most often when people discuss God and any possible "intention" he had for man and cannabis, is a pretty unreasonable example.

If you take it literally, meaning that God meant for us to consume cannabis, then God also meant for us to eat countless poisons as food. It is reasons like this that literal adaptation has proven quite contradictory and basically impossible.
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Wow, that's one strange correlation. Hmmm. If you believe that ingestion of cannabis necessitates ingestion of poisons, then, well, you got some issues. No offense, honestly, it's just that it's bizarre to me, to fathom that jump in logic. I mean, the Bible just says that God gave us all the plants to do with them as we will. I'm sure if cannabis were poisonous, then humans' intentions with it would be different. I, for one, am thankful for ALL the plants God created, including the ones with "poisons," which all serve a purpose. Many poisons are great pesticides, many make great medicines or vaccines. I don't think that verse in Genesis says "I, God, give you all the plants in the world to smoke, and of course if you smoke one, then you have to smoke ALL of them, you heathens!"

Maybe cannabis is here as a hedonistic temptation so that it may teach man to overcome such self indulgences, in which case you should not smoke weed.
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LOL! Sorry, once again, no offense meant, but that sounds like something a televangelist would say! I have a hard time understanding the mentality of that which feels good, must be bad. Which is exactly the underlying theme to your above statement. Why would you think cannabis is hedonistic? It's statements like that that make me happy to not have been raised as a born-again christian. My God is a loving One. Not One who punishes me every time I feel good.

In the words of Bill Hicks, "It serves a thousand uses, all of them positive... to make marijuana illegal is like saying God made a mistake."
 
Well, Id love to say yes. But ive personally been trying to do this exact thing for a while. Pray, meditate, code, re think. Any of these things work terribly for me whilst on pot. I never get anything done and my head just gets heavy and begins to hurt. I dont know if its jsut me, but pot is more or less a laughing drug these days. Not so much as a dreamer.............. man............... I miss the shit.
 
Heh I know I'm not the greatest at explainingmy thoughts sometimes, but you missed my point a little.

What I mean is that each of these are possible interpretations, so there is not going to be one "correct" answer.

" If you believe that ingestion of cannabis necessitates ingestion of poisons, then, well, you got some issues."

My statement was designed to refute itself. What I mean is that by a literal interpretation of "they will be yours for food", then we were given apples, cannabis, nightshade, poisonous mushrooms etc. all meant to be consumed as foods. If we were meant to eat cannabis, then we were meant to eat all kinds of harmful shit too. If we were given them to do what we will (which is your statement, not the bible's exactly) then it is really up to us to decide. When you run into discrepancies in interpretation, it is pointless to look for one literal meaning.

I understand you don't agree with the different ideas I gave. I don't agree with them either. That is my point - that one should find a meaning from the text that he can agree with, because he's not going to be able to agree with all other christians. I'd say religion and weed are compatible -

but then I'd say flood your bloodstream with the miracle herb and discover how wonderful it is, and my opinion is much more cut and dry than Christianity.
 
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I can't say one way or another.

I think that Christianity itself isn't cut and dry to us. I mean we know some things aren't known by men and never will be. Chrisitianity teaches this. Only God knows questions like this. Lickily you can figure out the answer if you're really looking.

In regards to religions in general, obviously you'd have to look into it.

Very broad question.
 
alostlittlebird, I see what you're saying now. It's just that that seems like such a literal interpretation, and I don't think the Bible (or any other holy text for that matter) lends itself very well to literal interpretations. That's what leads to fundamentalism I think.

I've always liked this discussion, I have to admit. I've always thought of the Christ as this rebel/punkrock/hippy guy who fucked shit up all in the name of teaching us that we are Love and we are permanent, and I'm sure he used cannabis. No proof, though.

Anyway, I'm more hindu than I am christian, so I'm no authority on the matter.
 
God doesn't exist, and your religion is major bullshit.

I don't think life and religion are compatible, let alone weed...
 
church, yeah fundamentalism is the word I was looking for earlier. I've never understood how someone can take religious teachings so literally and still find that it makes sense. I've found most teachings are more precise about the context of situations and intentions. Sort of like ice-9 was saying about use and abuse, rather than the act of smoking itself.

Have you ever read that article or whatever it was that speculated Jesus used hash oil as a healing tool? I don't think it's even close to proven, but it seems likely to me that as a healer he would be fond of cannabis for all it's positive effects...

though I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to most religious stuff
 
^^^ the Bible goes into detail talking about different herbs that were used. one is thought to have been refering to mj. no proof tho, just a theory of sorts.
 
MJ started me on the path of not believing in God anymore, or atleast religion. It all seemed so silly to the high mind and now the sober mind.
 
Weed isn't simply a 'healing herb' and we must admit to that. It's hedonistic not in the euphoric sense, but possibly even in a worse sense, as it enhances everything to such a degree that regular life more often than not is dull in comparison. The fact that many aspects of a cannabis high are shortcuts to feelings/perceptions one gets through continuous work cannot be too much of a good thing.

My belief is that the two are not compatible (mainly if in relation to Christianity). You may put yourself into a stupor where you are a daily smoker and praying constantly, reading the bible many times over, even maybe vigilantly adhering to certain aspects of the book, but I doubt it will be more than a perversion of religion.

Then again, not to contradict myself, but what religion is and should be are very different for people. So I guess if you just wanna do your thing, attempt to maintain cohesion while smoking cannabis, at least avoid indulging and adhere to your religion's codes.
 
Romans 13
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
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Titus 3
1Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good
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Peter 2
13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

18Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
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If you're christian, you can't break the law.


As well as:

Corinthians 6:9-11 - People who are guilty of intoxication, will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 13:12-14 - Cast off the works of darkness, walk properly, not in drunkenness. Make no provision to fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

1 Corinthians 5:11 - If a church member commits drunkenness and refuses to repent, he should be disciplined so we don't keep company with him.
 
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