Reincarnation

[CoffeeDrinker]

If consciousness isn't confined to the physical realm, and any remotely coherent theory on reincarnation suggests that it totally isn't, then it doesn't matter what planet you might have been on before your ride on this one.

It's really crazy. There's not really a way to disprove it because it is based on a paradigm that's so alien to our common way of thinking. Is it possible that our physical bodies are merely receivers for this permeating consciousness that somehow gets beamed into them? It's strange...God was driven by the desire to create, and therefore was necessarily imperfect. That makes things interesting. I don't want to rule it out, and the fact that people doing DMT are coming up with similar theories as people who did intense meditative practice for their entire lives makes me think twice about the whole thing. What if this ever present consciousness was really out there manifesting itself in all sorts of insane ways?

Yes it'd be nice and wonderful if death wasn't the total dead end of our existence, and that's undoubtedly what drives a lot of traffic to the idea of reincarnation, but I think the idea has staying power for reasons far deeper than simply a fear of death. Right now there's lots of silliness surrounding the subject, as with any "new age" idea, but there are serious people doing intense things with their lives investigating this whole thing.

 

[panic in paradise]

Yep, tend to do that quite a bit, I don't think enough people do (excluding bluelight posters of course).




When you say 'enable/activate it' do you mean the DNA, and if so, what do you think are the benefits of activating your DNA?

It is difficult for me not to believe now that ~
Finding yourself, discovering your full potential mentally and physically, health wise there is nothing inertly more beneficial...That is lame sounding and non descriptive but atm not so bad at all. I am interested but know nothing about RNA and if it plays any role with the spiritus, do you have any knowledge of this ?

There might also be many past reservations one has built up, un finished biznazz or vows, jealous relatives, a deep seeded urge that helps to divert ones attention back to the ground again wishing to remain in this environment.

~
"youre already in me, I'll be wearing your tattoo."
- Tori Amos

 

[nAON]

I would guess that because we haven't found a 'consciousness molecule' within the brain one doesn't exist. It's possible though I guess.
I also think there is evidence that suggests consciousness displays quantum behavior which would explain psi (psychic functioning). Dean Radin's book Entangled Minds touches on this subject.



I also think that DNA is linked somehow to our past lives; I've had ideas when off my head about DNA being a multidimensional and integral part of our soul.

... what? What do you mean by consciousness molecule? I meant in a purely electrochemical way, ie. gates and ions and electrons, could explain consciousness. No need to delve deeper.

We have multiple stains of DNA, they are prone to oxidizing and so doing things like yoga which fills the body with oxygen helps to enable/activate it, consuming things to help keep you in a more alkaline state is also beneficial.

Do you mean inducing gene expression or what? I don't think you really know what you're talking about

 

[panic in paradise]

^
there is a lot to it, plenty more then i can say but it is worth doing more research on.

 

[Equal Observer]

I think in a sane world of souls that the only plausible way that we could exist is that this is equivalent to an experience machine. A video game.

I don't think the idea of dieing then immediately entering some reincarnation centre & re-emerging as some other being is very sensical if we do live in a "sane world of souls" outside of death. Freedom to go to whatever portion of the wider-matrix you wish to sounds good. But considering where we get our "will" and our format within this place (beyond all senses or higher dimensional sensoriums) is difficult (perhaps there it would be trivial or well known or you can't know so who cares).

Some sort of mass-civilization of souls which has emerged by whatever-mechanism/reason would make more sense. And this planet is one of the many kind of things which emerge from this civilization... some sort of art piece contraption.

I guess that the human non-ability to know these things... is part of our elaborate set-up as experience machines. In a soul civilization which knows everything... it would probably be weird to be incarnated as a being which realizes "mystery"... or "mystery" to a greater extent than normally perceived in soul-land.

 

[Equal Observer]

If consciousness isn't confined to the physical realm, and any remotely coherent theory on reincarnation suggests that it totally isn't, then it doesn't matter what planet you might have been on before your ride on this one.

It's really crazy. There's not really a way to disprove it because it is based on a paradigm that's so alien to our common way of thinking. Is it possible that our physical bodies are merely receivers for this permeating consciousness that somehow gets beamed into them? It's strange...God was driven by the desire to create, and therefore was necessarily imperfect. That makes things interesting. I don't want to rule it out, and the fact that people doing DMT are coming up with similar theories as people who did intense meditative practice for their entire lives makes me think twice about the whole thing. What if this ever present consciousness was really out there manifesting itself in all sorts of insane ways?

Yes it'd be nice and wonderful if death wasn't the total dead end of our existence, and that's undoubtedly what drives a lot of traffic to the idea of reincarnation, but I think the idea has staying power for reasons far deeper than simply a fear of death. Right now there's lots of silliness surrounding the subject, as with any "new age" idea, but there are serious people doing intense things with their lives investigating this whole thing.

Well put. I guess the part about god being imperfect is complex. If the "soul" did not put itself here - but was created for it's first time here on Earth - this could be considered highly perverted. I think the ever-present-consciousness is illusory - our way of being is most likely pre-programmed and determined rather than ran on "real-time" by another being.

The "self" is perverted in this sense. God pre-programmed human minds to think that they are responsible for everything they are (in many cases). It makes a girl eat chocolate and at the same time feel terribly depressed about her chocolate habit.... what kind of strange art is this... and where does the idea emerge which led to the creation of it?

And for the most-aware beings around us... just how much is known by them.

And of course... people even speaking about incarnation being limited to this one planet - is INSANE. No way would this art-piece be alone in the seems of things

 

[panic in paradise]

The "self" is perverted in this sense. God pre-programmed human minds to think that they are responsible for everything they are (in many cases). It makes a girl eat chocolate and at the same time feel terribly depressed about her chocolate habit.... what kind of strange art is this... and where does the idea emerge which led to the creation of it?

Why should she feel terribly depressed for eating chocolate?

Seems the chocolate becoming such an issue is only a pretense to have something to blame other underlying feelings of depression or emotional needs on, that are needing to be met for that individual; a crying-out for help of sorts.

?

 

[nAON]

The "self" is perverted in this sense. God pre-programmed human minds to think that they are responsible for everything they are (in many cases). It makes a girl eat chocolate and at the same time feel terribly depressed about her chocolate habit.... what kind of strange art is this... and where does the idea emerge which led to the creation of it?

I think you're thinking too hard about it. Desire to eat chocolate is governed by the 'lower' brain, while the meta-analysis of its social consequences etc. would be governed by the 'higher' brain, thus conflict can arise when they desire different things.

I think you just need to stop thinking of human consciousness as a single united entity, when it is composed of many many different processes working together in the brain, each themselves subdivided into many smaller parts which are themselves made up of individual cells.

 

[panic in paradise]

If 'I' am not located in my brain, then where?

Maybe think of it like this:

If you do not like orange juice and chose to poor and drink a glass anyway, you have done as I normally would not. I am capital because you are a reflection of your actual intentions.

You are the yo-yo I would rather not stop, because if I did there would be myself to face, myself being the collective of each you myself and I. This is perhaps a third person perspective that can be advantageous as far as sorting yourself out ;-) relating to where the source of many personal frustrations, addictions, or a means to progress oneself as he or she truly does wish to. This of course is much easier said then done, though.

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You are here now and therefor I am as well.

It only matters where I am in so much as you also there.

"Stand in the place where you live."
REM


Edit:
Considering "I" your souls intention and with knowledge of the seven core chakras, you can help to place I balancing your thoughts and emotions. Developing a feeling of where your possible inadvertent although disruptive emotions are being harbored, one can localize where I am, to see what thoughts you are translating as emotions being displayed outwardly, although un-intentionally, possibly because of a lack of awareness of this disruption or imbalance.

For instance, the Buddhist mantra Om Mana Padme: by reciting the mantra or after becoming familiar, imaging while listening to it being recited one can then use it as a metronome to be centered a sway at the mid point region of the seven core chakras, the Heart Charkra, doing so, what is in the Base/Root Chakra(sub conscious) is then allowed to pass to the crown charkra(higher mind) via the heart so that what is then displayed as your outward intention to others, or environment as you truly do intend. This one way of thinking with your heart, and there is only so much that can bother you while doing so.

You just cant get frustrated with some one for cutting you off on your way to work generally understanding their own, for what ever reason, personal need to be in a hurry. And road rage alone is can cause a lot more then accidents.

 

[Bubaleedo92]

This post has turned out some nice philosophical discussion.

I agree with alot of what's been posted here. We don't know, really, how can we? But when we look at the order to constructs found in nature and human civilization, we should definately come to the conclusion that design posesses some kind of intelligence after all. So upon considering weather our consciousness can carry on to different realms or to other lives seems to beg the question, "why not?"

It seems we are in it to question everything and eventually learn how to thrive as a community after all, just as all life is in it not to mearly live but indeed to thrive.

 

[HypGnosis]

It is difficult for me not to believe now that ~
Finding yourself, discovering your full potential mentally and physically, health wise there is nothing inertly more beneficial...That is lame sounding and non descriptive but atm not so bad at all.

Yes, this is very similar to how I feel.

I am interested but know nothing about RNA and if it plays any role with the spiritus, do you have any knowledge of this ?

I can't say I do to be honest, I've never really thought about RNA specifically and how it may interact with us on other levels. Do you have any thoughts?

There might also be many past reservations one has built up, un finished biznazz or vows, jealous relatives, a deep seeded urge that helps to divert ones attention back to the ground again wishing to remain in this environment.

Yeh this also resonates with me.
I've had ideas about how it could be now possible for us to consciously fix or work through 'blockages' or complexes imprinted upon our DNA. Im unsure if I'm explaining that right though tbh

If consciousness isn't confined to the physical realm, and any remotely coherent theory on reincarnation suggests that it totally isn't, then it doesn't matter what planet you might have been on before your ride on this one.

If consciousness/our soul is a particle of sorts, one as yet undetected, it may be possible that in some way gravity affects it and souls are bound to a particular planet, maybe, just some rambling ideas.

What do you mean by consciousness molecule? I meant in a purely electrochemical way, ie. gates and ions and electrons, could explain consciousness. No need to delve deeper.

Ignore 'consciousness molecule', I'm not sure what I was going on about!

But I'm still of the opinion that what is essentially machine like gears and levers within the brain, will be insufficient when attempting to explain consciousness.

 

[panic in paradise]

Yes, this is very similar to how I feel.



I can't say I do to be honest, I've never really thought about RNA specifically and how it may interact with us on other levels. Do you have any thoughts?

no i havent learned anything about RNA yet.

Yeh this also resonates with me.
I've had ideas about how it could be now possible for us to consciously fix or work through 'blockages' or complexes imprinted upon our DNA. Im unsure if I'm explaining that right though tbh

If consciousness/our soul is a particle of sorts, one as yet undetected, it may be possible that in some way gravity affects it and souls are bound to a particular planet, maybe, just some rambling ideas.

Absolutely it is possible to work on "blockage" of our DNA both figuratively and literally - these days it seems to me that we have DNA in great part for this very reason.

please do ramble on...gravity doesnt effect the soul, but there must be an evolution of the soul from this universe to another if it is to be believed that reincarnation exists in this one on this planet.

 

[HypGnosis]

please do ramble on...gravity doesnt effect the soul, but there must be an evolution of the soul from this universe to another if it is to be believed that reincarnation exists in this one on this planet.

I'm probably missing some simple logic here but why don't you think gravity effects the soul?

I think the soul evolves to develop greater awareness of other/higher(?) dimensions. Maybe dimensions exist in which thought is a more tangible object and others are able to be aware of them?!

I'd need to gain greater control of my thought processes before I get there though, can't have my gibberish thoughts polluting the environment.

 

[panic in paradise]

Gravity doesnt happen all through out our universe, though, there needs to be something there of solid form to create the gravitational pull. Light can be absorbed into a black hole via gravity but the soul and spirit I feel safe assuming is different then the light we see.

The process of material evolution for instance, will eventually create more substantial changes to the objects shape over time along with the perception of the object and its use if any. Gravity might pull a river along the earth, but the shape the land takes and the destination is just as important, if not more, as far as what all life depends on this course of action to occur.

HypGnosis:
I'd need to gain greater control of my thought processes before I get there though, can't have my gibberish thoughts polluting the environment.

same here...but that is why continuing to question is so important.


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the size and mass of an object which accounts for the existing gravitational pull is entirely dependent upon how much of that mass is retained as the object encounters any given form of resistance.

 

[JohnnyFROST]

I hope I get reincarnated as a squirrel :3

 

[Lazyscience]

its an intersting topic.

on one hand we know from experiments with brain damaged people that out conciousness is a product of the brain and once the brain stops working, our consciousness ceases to exist.

on the other hand, the universe is very very big and is possibly teeming with conscious intelligent life, or maybe there are many or infinite other universes each full of conscious beings and that there always has to be something peering out of the eyes or tentacles of one of those conscious beings.

 

[panic in paradise]

or, maybe "it was all a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago"
Grateful Dead

There is also the God Helmet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet

_________
it is just as easy to rationalize and assume of a subjects fallacy as it is to believe in an-others fantasy.

 

[nAON]

its an intersting topic.

on one hand we know from experiments with brain damaged people that out conciousness is a product of the brain and once the brain stops working, our consciousness ceases to exist.

on the other hand, the universe is very very big and is possibly teeming with conscious intelligent life, or maybe there are many or infinite other universes each full of conscious beings and that there always has to be something peering out of the eyes or tentacles of one of those conscious beings.

Are you implying those are mutually exclusive?

 

[Lazyscience]

Are you implying those are mutually exclusive?

i have no idea

 

[HypGnosis]

Gravity doesnt happen all through out our universe, though, there needs to be something there of solid form to create the gravitational pull.

Do you not think the earth would provide such a gravitational pull?

Light can be absorbed into a black hole via gravity but the soul and spirit I feel safe assuming is different then the light we see.

Would you say then you are a substance dualist, in so far that you think soul and matter are two fundamentally different substances?

The process of material evolution for instance, will eventually create more substantial changes to the objects shape over time along with the perception of the object and its use if any. Gravity might pull a river along the earth, but the shape the land takes and the destination is just as important, if not more, as far as what all life depends on this course of action to occur.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm following you here, could you expound further?

on one hand we know from experiments with brain damaged people that out conciousness is a product of the brain and once the brain stops working, our consciousness ceases to exist.

Those experiments don't prove that consciousness is a product of the brain, all they say is that it appears the brain is an essential component needed for consciousness to manifest, which in itself is debatable..

http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/science/is_the_brain_really_necessary.htm

If the brain is a receiver for consciousness, much like a radio receives radio waves, then consciousness wouldn't be dependent on the brain. When a radio is damaged and is unable to communicate the radio frequencies it receives, we don't believe that those radio waves are dependent on the radio's existence. The brain and consciousness could function in a similar manner.