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Verycurious - heroin's a bit like magic, no place for dabblers. Once you're into it, you're into it. People do get back but rarely all the way. See above.

Blondin, think "only 4% ever come off methadone" is one of those fake statistics used to support a 'no more scripts' treatment agenda. It's standard technique for abstentionist opiophobes, they've being doing it for years. The latest e.g. relates to the ''success'' of rehabs -" if you take an eight day period, 19.7 months after discharge, don't count weekends and women whose name starts with K, statistics prove conclusively etc." Tragedy is no-one bothers to check and they get away with it time after time.

It's very strange, the entirely negative media representations of addicts and addiction. You never see a happy drug user on tv or in the papers but "my heroin hell" features are everywhere. Of course they really mean "my financial, legal and social hell" but it's the dope that gets the blame. It seems part political, to keep everyone afraid, and part unthinking primeval, where most fear has its origins. How many 'users' ( even language is stolen to shape your thoughts) would stop feeling bad were heroin legal and respectable? As it is, if you've a responsible job ( as many addicts have, especially if 'scripted' ) you'll get the boot if you don't stay in the closet. Same person, same competence but nobody thinks beyond the fantasy drummed into them since primary school.

Didn't know there were no Limerick addicts 5 years ago, from you-tube they've surely caught up for lost time. As for the castigated Mr Brown, it's probably healthier to smoke heroin than fentanyl patches. But it's understandable why he strives to avoid the label of 'smackhead'.

People don't think cos they think it's easier that way. Lot of things they're told to think and to think it's their thought. 'Heroin can expose the "washed brains are sexier" indoctrination of the cosumer brigade. First off, you buy a bag instead of that designer dishware. Later, you wonder why you would ever buy such things and what, in fact, makes you 'happy'. You think about what you need and thus start to think for yourself. To think, period. The way it should be. Maybe that's the historical purpose of Europe's epidemic. Don't expect to see it on tv.

For all we know, maybe a "think tank" is responsible for the drought. Ah well, as long as they know we come in peace and leave us Dublin..

Hi Charlie Clean!! :) Yeah i agree with Sam!! I'm enjoying reading your posts!! I like your way of thinking, its good to think outside the box, the media is so full of crap!! My Son is 19 & i've have always told him never to believe what he hears on the news ect, 'They' want to mold us into thinking the way they want us to think, we are never really told half of whats really going on in the world!!

But as for Limerick, what makes you say that there was no gear in Limerick 5 years ago? Coz there defiantly was, i remember been at a house party down there in around 1994 & there was plenty of gear at the party, that was before i had a habit, but i did have a dabble at the party that night! I have a few mates from Limerick, sadly one of my Limerick mates O.D'ed on gear 7 years ago, but he & his mates had been using heroin in Limerick for years. Drugs can be anywhere really, i'm sure that H has turned up in all sorts of strange places through~out the years!! ;)

Anyway keep the posts coming Charlie C!! Its great to read good posts like yours, ones that really make you think!! Catch ya later gator!!!! :)
 
Hi Charlie Clean!! :) Yeah i agree with Sam!! I'm enjoying reading your posts!! I like your way of thinking, its good to think outside the box, the media is so full of crap!! My Son is 19 & i've have always told him never to believe what he hears on the news ect, 'They' want to mold us into thinking the way they want us to think, we are never really told half of whats really going on in the world!!

But as for Limerick, what makes you say that there was no gear in Limerick 5 years ago? Coz there defiantly was, i remember been at a house party down there in around 1994 & there was plenty of gear at the party, that was before i had a habit, but i did have a dabble at the party that night! I have a few mates from Limerick, sadly one of my Limerick mates O.D'ed on gear 7 years ago, but he & his mates had been using heroin in Limerick for years. Drugs can be anywhere really, i'm sure that H has turned up in all sorts of strange places through~out the years!! ;)

Anyway keep the posts coming Charlie C!! Its great to read good posts like yours, ones that really make you think!! Catch ya later gator!!!! :)

just after wakin up from a nice nod , but i need to reply to this crap bout limerick!

U might have been at a house party in limerick with H, but who brought it....probly a dublin head. i know for a fact there was fuck all gear available around limerick before the 2000's. if theres any limerick heads around im pretty sure you can vouch for me

the truth is that heroin was only available in dublin till 2000 at the earliest and then made its way to athlone and limerick.....a lot of bagheads in them areas these days

but in cork,galway,waterford the heroin scene is practically non existant

P.S. U.K folk,this is just paddy talk ha
 
Cork has never had a heroin problem,id say i could count on my 2 hands the amount of heroin addicts in Cork

Dublin on the other hand has been flooded with gear since the 80's,and there is an estimated 30,000 users in the dublin area

i hear limerick is getting a big heroin influx these days whereas 5 years ago there was no H addicts there

I'M a Limerick man and there has been H down here about 20 years but not as many addicts as dublin but person to dublin limerick have more
 
about the limerick issue...im surprised someone from the UK ever even heard of the place. and since i got cousins from limerick and been there a number of times, i know for a fact heroin was nearly non existant there till 04/05

You sure your cuz is from Clare
 
What? I made a post trying to have a discussion on fent, not trying to be gangster just wanted a discussion but it seems it wasnt appropiate. Then i made a joke in this thread which people didnt read properly and took it serious. Not giving it large just you guys seem to be retarded and cant read threads properly.

So yeaaah im a funny boy m8 ard lad here. lol @ you fucking dick.

Never said i was a ard lad , i ain't the knob trolling round givin large about how many oxys i can eat .
Go on the US forumns theres plenty of people who will indulge your Fent wet dreams .
 
I'M a Limerick man and there has been H down here about 20 years but not as many addicts as dublin but person to dublin limerick have more

Hi Griffin, :) Yeah there has been a H scene down there for years!! Limerick is a great spot, i used to go down to the Theater Royal through out the 90's & i've been to many a good rave in Limerick!!

I think Charlie C was probably only joking when he said the there is no H in Limerick, he has some great posts though!!!

How are things for you in Limerick now Griffin? Are things getting any better? This drought has been sheer hell!! Thankfully things are getting better in Dublin over the last 2 weeks, all though in saying that i got stung last night!!!
 
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and another thing, Blondin says some of the top distributors might have been busted by the cops? this doesnt count for shit

this shows your lack of knowledge about how gangs work, if theres 1 guy busted theres another 100 to fill in for him. So your argument is very flawed, i think that you believe everything that comes out of Scotland Yards' mouth about how they are winning the war on drugs!
HA yea fucking right, get real bro

gangs? were not talking about kilo boys this about people who bring in tonnes at a time - and believe me there are not '100's to fill there shoes'
 
So come on, where's this years bloody harvest, I'm getting impatient now!! Does anyone know if the mysterious fungus is back this year or not?
 
@CC Blondin, think "only 4% ever come off methadone" is one of those fake statistics used to support a 'no more scripts' treatment " or come off heroin - just look at your friends - how many have quit for good? ...blood in blood out most of the time - the problem is once you have tasted heaven noything quite matches up to it - the longest i stayed off was 88-92 but then i was necking pills every week. Heroin will always draw you back.
 
my cousin was on it 8 years straight then meth for a long time after (not sure how long but a few years) but now he's totally free, just drinks too much an smokes a bit of green.. he's been off all opiates for at least 10 years now

and I know a couple of old hippies in Leeds that had severe gear habits that don't touch it anymore, it can be done
 
@CC Blondin, think "only 4% ever come off methadone" is one of those fake statistics used to support a 'no more scripts' treatment " or come off heroin - just look at your friends - how many have quit for good? ...blood in blood out most of the time - the problem is once you have tasted heaven noything quite matches up to it - the longest i stayed off was 88-92 but then i was necking pills every week. Heroin will always draw you back.

Wow, that's a depressing thought! True tho, it's summat I've always come back to. Do we just give up giving up?
 
People can and do get off and stay off, it's not impossible despite the statistics. If your really willing and you really want to stop, you can, all in mind init. The question is, do you REALLY want to stop? Or are you just on a script so when situations like this drought, or you don't have any money to score you don't have to deal with a rattle.

I've been trying to get clean for some time now, I'm on a script an reducing over time, but I still occasionally dabble, which has forced me to think deeply about why I do it, and if I really want to stop? Honestly, I want to be free of it, I see it at as a major burden on my life, but being on a script also keeps me stuck in that life style, surrounded by the same people and the same temptations to use. Everyone of my mates whos been to rehab or gotten in to treatment, have made more contacts so in a way it just perpetuates it. I certainly don't want to go back to having a daily habit, even if gear was back to being top notch an a tenner a bag, I'm still certain that I don't want to be an addict. On the other hand, I'm not totally ready to never touch opiates again so this is the situation Ive found myself in. If I could just use recreationally without my rattle coming straight back, then I would be happy to do it once or month or something, but as soon as I have a smoke the WD comes back. I dunno if this is gonna be a life long thing, maybe if I left all opiates alone for a while I would be able to have the odd fling without all the bad stuff?

Anyway, sorry for ranting on, I just think people don't give themselves enough credit, you can stop if you want to but it takes some real effort. I'm certainly getting better, and maybe I will just stop it entirely once I get to that point.
 
Ur right, u have to REALLY want to do it. For years I've been saying that I want to get clean but if I'm really honest with myself I don't think I do. My script keeps me stable and so I use on top of it, pretty regularly too. The thought of NEVER touching opiates again is a horrible one to me.

Which sort of leaves you in limbo.

When I have REALLY wanted to quit in the past I have done it, got off my meth after reducing it to 2ml and stayed clean. For about 6 months anyway. Then I missed it! The grass is always greener and all that...
 
gangs? were not talking about kilo boys this about people who bring in tonnes at a time - and believe me there are not '100's to fill there shoes'

I'm sure these multi-tonne heroin barons are proud of the fact you're boasting of your association with them on a highly-subscribed public forum... :\

Good post, WR. I hope you can reach occasional dabbler status relatively soon and with a minimum of heartache. Good luck.
 
a guy who used to live in our town,and was responsible for introducing many of the young folk here,including myself,to H-after prob 30 yrs use,he went to rehab,got clean and remains clean to this day
so yeah,it can be done
but i also agree that,in my personal experience,the wd's are way worse than a 4 day flu
i can't even give a clean sample after a week clean and yeah,the rattle is terrifying and the PAWS take forever to subside
i know the only way i would get clean now is a sedated detox
i heard that the success rate fro detox5 is shit-but as you said,success rates are never really clear
 
I had to go clean of H for 15 days 2 give a clean screen once. after 7 i thought it'd be cushty no, went back again next week 14 days by now still traces of h.
Fortunatley my cpn was very supportive n trusted me . i went in again the next day((15) n it was clean.
Goes 2 show that every1 s metabolisim n bodies break down substances differently.
On other instances i've managed 2 give clean screen after 4 days of my last usage n this was about 7 years ago so i ain't talkin about the stuff that goes bout these days.
The rattle off h is by far is easier than methadone , cos of the short acting nature of diamorphine the rattle is intense but by 7 days u are over the worse although it don't feel like it at the time:(
Methadone on the other hand can leave you climbing the walls 4 weeks and its got fuk all 2 do with it getting in your bones thats a myth. its cos its a long acting opiod which has generally been presribed over a long period of time.
dose of the flu i'm sure we all wish that was the case.

Mind you if any1 has had the misfortune of actually having influenza as opposed to just a nasty bug there is a huge difference . it wasn't long ago that people were dying of influenza , n it annoys me when people say"i've had the flu for a few days" trust me if you actually had influenza you would no about it.
 
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Hi Griffin, :)

I think Charlie C was probably only joking when he said the there is no H in Limerick,!


Naw, was quoting the Dubliner before me who said there wasn't until 5 years ago. I don't know Limerick but got the impression from 'media' and net reports the place was swimming in it.

Faked statistics don't mean it's easy to come off. Either from heroin or methadone. A policy that treats one habit by giving you another, then encourages you to kick the second habit, strikes me as insane. An attitude that says, fuck 'em, leave 'em to the criminals and the prisons, ditto.

Take away excessive pharm company mark-ups and diamorphine prescription is a viable, sensible alternative. But I been singing this song a while now and nobody's listening. Must lack the popular support needed to change things or something. Take care out there, whichever side of the Irish Sea you're scoring today.
 
been getting some of the best stuff i have had for over a year! been getting it off my main guy past 3 days and it is going fast 0.4 for 15, i spent loads on him waiting now for some more fucking drug dealers take the piss!... had to hide how much i did spend on gear to my girlfriend been having a toot infront of her, but this brown was too nice to not just smoke so my mate has been shooting me up in my neck perfectly everytime and my girlfriend wouldn't suspect i been digging there, i did gouch out last night, was only meant to be 10min to my gf, ended up being 2 hours lol was gouchin on the first dig (about 0.5 or so) and he left me for an hour before waking me up! had to blag that one!

hope it stays like this! we need the new harvest! keep the good gear coming! this is somewhere in nottinghamshire btw ;p
 
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@ verycurious

Nice honest post u wrote, and of course ur not gonna offend anyone here talking like that...just in answer to ur original querie really;
I got into H 6 years ago having had a best mate who started using at the same time-I stupidly thought I could 'help' him by using with him as I wanted to relate and see where he was coming from as he was goin thru some shit. Alas, it wasnt long before I was using every day, thanks to the break up of a 5 year relationship and some other factors...u dont get physically addicted to H for quite a long time, sometimes months, and some people say 'if ur addicted to heroin its because you wanted to be.
So as for me, I lost my job-voluntarily left one weekend to do a cold turket, then never managed to get clean. A couple of years went by, me using a gram a day at my lowest point, and many many attempts to quit, initially cold turkey (no medication) then wiv Subutex (an opiate substitue/blocker in pill form). Then one day I tried methadone, which basically enabled me to start working again, meet another girl whi I'm with now, and happy, and generally get me life back on track. But I still use H, but I work full time, in a skilled and physical job I love, and can support my habit financially as well as pay rent, bills etc, and live a fairly normal life (barring the constant constipation, dodgy stomach, ability to sleep literally whenever I want for as long as I want (which is quite cool!), sleep apnea, addiction to sugar, hassle of daily pharmacy visits, hassle when travelling abroad, needing to lie to employers and associates etc..

IMO most of the problems with being a heroin addict come from its legal status; if it were legalised/prescribed to addicts, it would:
Take money out of the hands of illegal gangs and organisation
Stop funding the Taliban in Afghanistan
Stop the spread of diseases like Hepatitis C and HIV through sharing needles
Hugely reduce the number of fatal deaths due to overdose (users could know purity)
Reduce the number of women forced into prostitution to fund theyre habit
Massively reduce crime, such as burglary, theft, motor theft, muggings etc
Generate a LOT of money through tax
Save A LOT of police time and money, and allow them to focus more on real crims like rapists
Free up prison space, therfore more money saved
Greatly reduce the number of new addicts taking the drug up, including children (if it was only available on prescription there wouldnt be many people selling illegally, therfore it would be a lot harder to buy)
Free up prison space
Greatly improve the lives of Britain's 300,000 addicts, many of whom simply made a mistake and must spend the rest of their lives paying for it, and many of whom are totally normal, decent honest people who could be leading valuable lives and giving as much to society as any other member.

Im sure theres more. Sorry for the long answer but I thought it was a good question and Im glad to change someone's view of H addicts. Up until I found this thread I too didnt know how many sound, wicked, honest normal people there were who were heroin users, we aint all granny robbing nutters who'd kill their own mum for a bag!!
BUT heroin, largely due to the legislation, is definitely NOT a good lifestyle choice! If I thought it would be easy to dabble and not have a chance of gettin hooked I might recommend it, but to be honest there arent that many recreational users that I know of, maybe Im wrong
 
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