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Regarding my first time insufflating H.

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I'm a long time lurker at this site. Have read many threads regarding several substances before embarking.

Concerning my opiate experience. Spent about a year on hydrocodone 5mgs. These past 2 years i havent touched any opiate until recently aquiring perc 10s and eventually OC 80s here and there (every couple weeks).. I usually go 2 or so weeks in between my OC use. I usually would just quarter the OC80s as 20mg of OC would get me and still does and it's been a good 8-10 months (i usaully smoke quite a bit of quality mj at certain points in the opiate high to keep it going good).

OK and now to the present: Recently came across a buddy that has been getting this brown/tan H. He says its pretty potent and he had only insufflated a little bit with his dude and said it was pretty euphoric for a good couple hours with the nod coming on good then slowly tapering off later. Planning on aquiring a gram today. I read through several threads here and went over erowids H vault quite a bit. I'm no kid and no idiot. I realize what i'm getting into and addiction potential is high. I know myself and know my limits. I am extremely strong willed and have been through alot and wont get into that here though.

Heres my plan: I have a 20x0.001 mg scale. Should i use that and start with like 5mg weighed and work my way up every hour little bit by bit? Or should i just do a tiny little bump off a key or pen cap and assess my tolerance from there?
I would really value your guys input on this as it is very crucial for me!

Thanks, UV
 
stay away from that shit.Butsince you're going to take itanyway, just snort lines with your friends, have someone who knows dope show you how much to snort cause we can't tell you how pure your dope is or anything like that.
 
As said by the poster above me and you yourself said, heroin has a huge addiction potential. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, I'll be fine, I've never had a problem stopping before with any drugs...we all know where that ends. If you have made up your mind though, I will give you my advice on dosing. I would ask you friend what his suggestion is. Since he already has done it, he has a better idea of purity and proper dosing than anyone here does. Ask him how much he does and if his tolerance is similar, start there, but always remember it's best to start small and work your way up. I'm sure it's been said a thousand times, but it's worth saying a thousand more, you can always do more, but you can't do less.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Yeah, my dude said he did a very tiny amount. So whatever that dose is once he shows me i'll probably just divide that in half to reduce my dose even more.

I honestly want to just take next to nothing of it just to feel it out.Just want to tread extrmely lightly because i'm very nervous about OD.

Thanks once again, UV
 
Well just met up with my dude. He explained what he does is just a key bump. Licks tip of key..dips tip of key in powder..pounds off onto surface..makes line and up the nose. This powder is only slightly brown..pretty tan/beige.

I explained to him that i plan on quartering the dose he described. He said it probably wont do much of anything, but told him I dont care...im being very cautious.. My plan is to just do the SMALLEST amount meaning an almost negligable amount and if not much by an hour I was going to try just acouple mg's more like 2mg more. (I have a 0.001 mg scale).
 
most likely the heroin is cut you are going to need to do much more then just 2 mg to feel anything i would do at least 20 mg to start like you said you can do 20 mg OC. depending on how much the heroin is cut u may need more anywhere from 30 - 50 mg but this is really an estimate i have no way to tell how much your H is cut
 
Oxycontin160mg said:
most likely the heroin is cut you are going to need to do much more then just 2 mg to feel anything i would do at least 20 mg to start like you said you can do 20 mg OC. depending on how much the heroin is cut u may need more anywhere from 30 - 50 mg but this is really an estimate i have no way to tell how much your H is cut
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Thanks man for the reply. Yeah.. 2mg is probably too little.. I'm about to try it ina bit here. Ill probably just end up tryin like halfa match head.. I know its a small amount but i'm just trying to be careful..a mix of anxiousness and nervousness ha.
 
Well I did about a quarter matchhead. Been 17 minutes. Feel an ever so slightly warmness n body feel. It's ever so slight. When I first opened the little bag it def smells of vinegar.
 
I know it's a cliche but it will probably get you if you are not as careful as if you were carrying an infant child to his mother by walking over a massive gorge on a half destroyed rope bridge. If you have a gram lying around you are probably going to finish it, however long that takes you. And once you've done that gram it begins with getting another. Maybe just one more you think, to get it over with in my head. Well after two or even just one bag you will be addicted and you will feel the pain of withdrawal like you never have. You won't sleep for days, you won't keep down food, you will sweat while you are freezing, every muscle will cringe and ache and your energy will be so low that you can barely summon all the strength of god to get yourself out of bed and onto your aching legs to go take a piss. Yeah so I know you are going to go ahead anyways so I'm just saying to be very careful. The one thing that doesn't usually factor into a new heroin user's head is what exactly it means to go through heroin withdrawal. They might understand that they are addicted but that's not such a big deal. I mean, what's an addiction if you want to take the stuff anyway. But what they don't factor is that it's not the addiction but the withdrawal that makes the stuff the monster that it is. So be careful.

Anyway to answer your question. I don't know how strong your product is but it's best to start out small for sure. 2mg is quite small. You could honestly begin at 5 or even 10. But as you wish. You can always take more. Anyway, best of luck.

Experience: twice heroin addict.
 
Thanks for the lengthy post batman! I know you guys have read countless posts probably saying that so n so will be careful but I will be extremely careful. Extremely thin ice in terms of caution. It's been over a half hour goin on 40 mins. I will do another extremely small amount comparable to my first amount.

Thanks again, uv
 
I completely understand your cautious warning to the OP batman, but I'm not sure I understood you correctly. Are you saying that even after one or two bags of dope or even one or two grams of dope, that one would feel the wrath of heroin withdrawal? I mean, it's always the best plan to be as cautious as possible, especially with such an addicting substance as heroin is, but to say that after even as much a two grams that you will definitely be addicted to and feel the full horrors of withdrawal is just not true.

Even if someone were to buy two grams and use each day until it was gone, it wouldn't take more than a few days (unless we're talking pure heroin, which I don't believe we are, then it's def possible to be as you say it would be) and the worst I could imagine feeling after binging on dope for even 4-5 days in a row, would be maybe a day and a half of feeling fatigued and kinda bleh, nothing more than that.

I'm not trying to negate your warning to the OP, but tossing out information that does nothing other than demonize a substance is the very policies of many countries that created the allure of drugs that many people see. If I misunderstood your post, please do correct me.
 
I agree with you ATLL765.....heroin addiciton does not come on as quickly as batman said......but it still is nothing to play with. There ARE some people who will do a gram for the first time, and simply not be able to stop buying more...not because they are having withdrawal symptoms, but because they have such an addictive personality. And soon they WILL find themselves in a situation where they will have painful withdrawals if they quit using.

But for the most part, using heroin for just a few days and then stopping, should lead to no more than a day and a half or so of feeling "bleh" like you said.
 
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I completely understand your cautious warning to the OP batman, but I'm not sure I understood you correctly. Are you saying that even after one or two bags of dope or even one or two grams of dope, that one would feel the wrath of heroin withdrawal? I mean, it's always the best plan to be as cautious as possible, especially with such an addicting substance as heroin is, but to say that after even as much a two grams that you will definitely be addicted to and feel the full horrors of withdrawal is just not true.

Even if someone were to buy two grams and use each day until it was gone, it wouldn't take more than a few days (unless we're talking pure heroin, which I don't believe we are, then it's def possible to be as you say it would be) and the worst I could imagine feeling after binging on dope for even 4-5 days in a row, would be maybe a day and a half of feeling fatigued and kinda bleh, nothing more than that.

I'm not trying to negate your warning to the OP, but tossing out information that does nothing other than demonize a substance is the very policies of many countries that created the allure of drugs that many people see. If I misunderstood your post, please do correct me.
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Well when I first got addicted to heroin I used it for maybe three weeks, maybe four, increasing from in the evenings to all of the time. And after that I went through withdrawals. Of course it wasn't as bad as withdrawals could be but I was still awake for days with terrible restless legs and all around aches. It was a bit more than 2 grams, probably more like four or five, but it wasn't all that much.

That's my only pure experience with starting heroin addiction and withdrawal, but I would still say that two grams or a couple weeks of use is enough time to have withdrawals. But this is different for everybody. In Trip Reports there is a post from some guy claiming he went through withdrawal after just using one night, which is think is very strange. But still it seems that you can't tell for certain how addiction will affect someone.
 
Spreading the doses out like you said would definitely cause worth w/d symptoms than if you used it more quickly. I was assuming that someone who bought heroin as a "one time thing" or "just to try it" would be more likely to use it as fast as they could until it's gone. I know it I get a brick(50 bags or 5 grams give or take) I'd go through that in about 8-10 when I'm not addicted and I just buy it to have some for a while. I used myself when intolerant to compare for how much and how fast the OP might have used and the w/d felt from that. If I use that brick in about 8-10, I'll def feel some w/d symptoms, but nothing that would make me unable to function, usually just restlessness and feeling a bit flu like for a couple days. Maybe if I spread that out over something more like 3-4 weeks like you mentioned, it would be worse, I can't say for sure because whenever I use, I use non-stop until it's gone. That's just me though.
 
Yeah I feel you. I don't have too much experience with just heroin withdrawal. The first time I got into H I went from it straight onto Methadone MMT, so I never got the withdrawal until I got the Methadone withdrawal, which was a nightmare. And I should add that I have an extremely addictive personality. Psychological, Physical, the whole ordeal. I think I was hooked on H after one go, I knew that I would be spending a lot of time, and money unfortunately, with her for awhile. So that's me.


Edit: And I'd like to state just how much I recommend against going on MMT, long term at least. It's really incredible the amount of drugs that those places put into your brain. Their 'blocking' strategy which basically floods your brain with the narcotic, the incredibly addictive and long half life narcotic. I'm trying to kick an H relapse right now but I'm not going back on MMT. It's honestly a terrifying thought to be back there. It's supposed to stabilize your life, and it does on the surface, but if you look below that you see that you are really going out of control with an addiction that will own you like no other.

At least that was my experience. I can't stress enough that people are incredibly different when it comes to how they interact with drugs.
 
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nobody here call tell you how pure your product is, so measuring it out on a scale is pretty useless unless you get a perfect dose, and want to dose that amount every time (but it will get weaker everytime you do that same amount).

I'm gonna agree with batman and say that addiction from H comes on VERY quickly. one can be mentally addicted immediately after the first time, I was after doing oxy the first time. and at the amount this guy is doing, with a gram, itll last him a while, he will most def feel withdrawal symptoms when he's done, they won't be so severe though, they never are in the beginning.

but even if you had the purest heroin in the world, 2mg snorted is nothing. but you've already gotten your product and have done it, so I'm sure you've already found your dose. but really, you can re-dose about 20-25 mins after snorting the line, that should be enough time to be fully feeling the effect of what you snorted. I would say, generally that .1 (100mg) of heroin is usually equal to about 40mg of oxy. so if you do 20mg oxy, you could try doing 50mg of dope, actually I would start lower than that, maybe 30mg.

but really, your scale is only useful once you find your dose and want to keep doing that dose. maybe go out and buy some clear gel-caps and measure out the dose you're doing and prep some clear gel caps with that amount in each one. that way you can just open one up and dump it out when you're ready for a dose. or maybe put 2 doses in each pill, and just split the amount into two lines when you've dumped it out. because for some reason, I always feel the need to put something in both nostrils, as its better for absorbtion than putting everything in one nostril......gotta be even and fair to both nostrils now, don't want one getting jealous.

oh, and if you want to be able to walk away from this one day, stay away from the needle, its not really worth it. the only difference is the intial rush, and again, a lifetime of addiction and the problems that come with it, isn't worth such a minimal change. keep a good head on your shoulders, bud.
 
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