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Redosing on mdma every 3 hours. for about 2 days. This is madness surely?

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Now i know you shouldnt roll so often, and i dont.
I wait about 4 - 6 weeks. Sometimes 3 weeks (depends if theres a really good trance/hard trance /euphoric event)

But people i know have eaten so much mdma in 2 days.
I couldnt believe it, and they coudlnt believe me keep turning down free mdma dabs after i had rolled once with them.

I didnt think you could keep going up like that? And my guess is there is going to be a nasty comedown waiting for them ?

anyone else know people to do this?
 
Well I knew a person that took mdma 2-3 times a week for 2 years, and he didn't have any adverse effects. However I guess he was just lucky, and redosing even once after you have dosed already increases neurotoxicity plus it doesn't really offer you that much more

In my opinion even once a month is too often, especially if you don't take precautions like piracetam & 5HTP
 
Stories of extremely abusive dosing never end well- if you comb through bluelight, you'll see many people who have posted on here out of fear of the effects they've suffered, some who have been diagnosed with serotonin syndrome, some who fear they have it.

I find for people new to MDMA, the desire to treat it as a regular or casual substance is hard to resist- the effects of abuse tend to take longer for a new user than others, but when they do they can be extremely nasty. Considering Alex Shulgin himself said that he thinks the wait period for recovery should be 90 days, and the minimum wait time at it's shortest period is suggested at 30+ days, it's not smart to try to reduce that period too often.

5-htp is great afterwards- prior, it can actually diminish the effects of MDMA. Piracetam is amazing, but it's in no way a replacement for time.
 
Yea, myself. In attempts to stay up and keep going I've done this from 11 pm until the next afternoon, then waited until nightfall and did it again. Is this smart? Absolutely not. It isn't going to kill you, but chances are you are going to have a terrible next day. Some people don't, but most people do. Anyone can do as many drugs as frequently as they want, but there is a good chance that they will end up regretting it.
 
once every 3 hours for 2 days? jesus. i almost puked blood just from reading that. anything redosed more than 5 hours in is a complete waste. your serotonin is depleted at that point and you're only going to get the mildly psychedelic amphetamine effects out of it if you redose after that time, and its going to give you a god awful comedown. you would be better off eating a dose of amphetamine at that point imo if you were just trying to stay up and going.
 
I love my raving friends, and i do care about them.
But being the youngest in the group and the newest addition, noone seems to listen to what i have to say.
When i pulled out a mandelin test kit they had never even seen one before.

I just wish theyd listen to me

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I dont take 5- HTP i roll once a month.
Instead i just eat serotonin replenshing foods, and for me so far this is working fine.
My 6th roll was as good as my first.

However i realised, being at a rave is the best to do it, i got persuaded to do it indoors and i just turned into some loved up snake slithering on the floor and hugging the speakers where trance was coming out of (i was on k too lol )
 
You definitely can go on a 2 day MDMA binge, but the return with each subsequent dosing are going to decrease exponentially. If your friends insist on binging, I would recommend they switch to M1 or speed. They'll have a better time and they'll do less damage to their brains.
 
I love my raving friends, and i do care about them.
But being the youngest in the group and the newest addition, noone seems to listen to what i have to say.
When i pulled out a mandelin test kit they had never even seen one before.

I just wish theyd listen to me

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I dont take 5- HTP i roll once a month.
Instead i just eat serotonin replenshing foods, and for me so far this is working fine.
My 6th roll was as good as my first.

However i realised, being at a rave is the best to do it, i got persuaded to do it indoors and i just turned into some loved up snake slithering on the floor and hugging the speakers where trance was coming out of (i was on k too lol )

Tell me about it! All of my friends (with the exception of my bf) know nothing about drugs. They just buy random stuff and take it - no testing it or anything. I can't believe how dumb they are! I have done that a couple times ... at the beginning of my drug use ... and I can't believe how dumb I was then. I'm glad I smartened up at least.

5-HTP is really good after using m, at least for me :)

Anyway, yeah you can keep rolling for a certain amount of time. I've done some dumb stuff like that too. And the comedown is BRUTAL. The next couple of days, I just feel like shit. (happy but just unfocused, can't concentrate, and super spacey) The last pills shouldn't be near as good as the first ones. I did something similar to this recently. It was about 24 hours of usage with a couple hours of sleep in between. The first pills were incredible. After my nap, I took another one (yeah I know it was dumb :s). It wasn't nearly the same but I still felt happy, euphoric, etc. Just not "omg wow" type thing which is how I felt the first time. By the end, I felt sleepy but was still enjoying the music and everything.

If you could keep going for so long without notice a huge decrease in how the m felt, I'm thinking there was something else in it that kept your energy going more that m does.
 
If you could keep going for so long without notice a huge decrease in how the m felt, I'm thinking there was something else in it that kept your energy going more that m does.

It went dark blue/purple on the mandelin test so


I personally have never done it.
In fact i dont even like Redosing.

My favourite is the MDMA crystals of course, but if i can only get a pill i always drop the whole pill i never do halves.
I dont believe in re dosing, may as well take it head on lol.

Out of my whole lot, even when im doing it in moderation i am always the most effected.
Barely anyone else gurns.
Noone is like WHOAH Faaacking hell this is amazing, each breath is .. *Breaths in* ahh. Truly amazing *Breathes out*

I never want to lose that feeling so i will be stubborn and remember my knowledge in this field rather than the temptation to go further .
I usually just get on Ket once ive rolled and venture into an after party
 
Horrible idea, all the big neurotoxicity studies are preceded in that manor; frequent redosing.

Once I've rolled on 11 pills, dosed 11 times in one night. Mind you all ended well but I had a nasty comedown.
 
Horrible idea, all the big neurotoxicity studies are preceded in that manor; frequent redosing.

Once I've rolled on 11 pills, dosed 11 times in one night. Mind you all ended well but I had a nasty comedown.
 
Wow, Somedud. That is a commitment...
The most I ever did in one night is 3.5 maybe 4 tabs.
Of course knowing the pill count is nowhere near as specific as knowing the actual mg's of MDMA used...

But you make a good point - all the studies on neurotoxicity involve re-dosing.
Normally the dose is the equivalent of 2-5 tabs, taken twice a day, for four days!
Of course they are often injected, which is thought to be more toxic.
However, some studies have shown lower doses, such as 1-2 pills, administered once a day for four days was enough to induce damage.

I have never come across a study that showed a SINGLE dose could cause injury.
But repeated doses, especially those taken several days in a row...even if its only 1 tab a day....is a TERRIBLE risk.

What they find is 'axotomy' or the cutting/destruction of axonal extensions from the serotonin cell body, especially in cortical regions.
It is believed that the RNA in some of these receptor sites is destroyed or modified as well. In fact the mitochondria itself may provide the means for producing severe oxidative damage - in the form of hydrogen peroxide.

It may be that redosing massively in a single night carries less risk than more moderate dosing stretched out over a 3-4 day period.
I wonder if the difference is caused by intestinal motility that happens during this time gap. It is one among MANY factors involved, but contraction of the smooth muscle around the intestines is the primary purpose for serotonin.

MasterofDeception - there is no such thing as a friend that can do MDMA several times a week for YEARS without consequence. There just isn't.
Either there were more breaks than you were aware of, or your friend didn't tell you the whole story. Maybe you aren't telling us...
However, it is common for many heavy users to claim very little change....until they stop.
Often it takes MONTHS for the full realization to occur.

Yes, some heavy users escape the serious breakdowns reported on BL, but there is NO way to do that many tabs for that long without some real 'axotomy' happening.
If anything, the brain is simply adapting to this loss so efficiently that the owner of the brain is deluded into thinking nothing has changed.
That is in line with the recovery patterns of people with MDMA psychosis - they eventually return to something resembling 'normal'.

Just because the modifications are subtle and the brain is adept at adapting, does NOT mean that profound changes aren't happening.
They are, and repeated users are already retarded if they refuse to accept that fact. Period.
 
Oh yeah - Somedud, how are you doing?
Looking for another report on your major turn-around.

Still 'almost my old self'?
Is your progress continuing to improve?
Has it plateaued? Receded?

Is your dose of Lexapro the same?
Still exercising and eating the 'colors of the vegetable rainbow'?

Keep posting about your turn-around - people need to hear about it.
And PM me and give me the details...I'm always interested.

Good luck.
 
MasterofDeception - there is no such thing as a friend that can do MDMA several times a week for YEARS without consequence. There just isn't.
Either there were more breaks than you were aware of, or your friend didn't tell you the whole story. Maybe you aren't telling us...
However, it is common for many heavy users to claim very little change....until they stop.
Often it takes MONTHS for the full realization to occur.

Yes, some heavy users escape the serious breakdowns reported on BL, but there is NO way to do that many tabs for that long without some real 'axotomy' happening.
If anything, the brain is simply adapting to this loss so efficiently that the owner of the brain is deluded into thinking nothing has changed.
That is in line with the recovery patterns of people with MDMA psychosis - they eventually return to something resembling 'normal'.

Just because the modifications are subtle and the brain is adept at adapting, does NOT mean that profound changes aren't happening.
They are, and repeated users are already retarded if they refuse to accept that fact. Period.

You are right and I don't know him very well either - what I mean is that he didn't report any serious problems like severe depression or severely impaired memory etc

You are right and we agree that some neurotoxicity has happened but it might not have obvious adverse effects yet - usually this kind of damage is more evident as one gets older, right?
 
Here comes a bit of a fleeting statement and I apologise upfront if its misunderstood (certainly not aimed at everyone) -

Party people in the UK do have the tendency to binge - drink - drugs etc. I have been to many a party, rave where the amounts of drugs taken is crazy and people living outside the UK would simply not believe the amounts and think it was some dicksizing comment.

Being around the site and working in many regions has highlighted this all the more. You can go for days using MDMA - the fact is that after a certain amount you stop feeling 'loved up' / rolling etc and your just felling wrecked. Music still sounds good but you have no energy, you feel tired but awake at the same time and just out of it. Yes some people enjoy that experience but I can tell you now that the comedown from a few days of partying like that sucks.
 
Yeah i think everyone else is crashing around me..
I on the other hand, have been in that good of a mood, having only rolled the once and doing loads of K (I swear by its anti depressant effects, i really do 100%) have got myself a job interview tommorrow, I phoned yesterday and i was in a great mood.

I always feel like the arsehole because i know what can happen, and ive read lots of people who have did too much and have really suffered, talking months down the line Still been not quite right.

Music still sounds good but you have no energy, you feel tired but awake at the same time and just out of it. Yes some people enjoy that experience but I can tell you now that the comedown from a few days of partying like that sucks.

yeah we was just all sitting around at this point listening to some classic trance
Lol... nothing like waking up from a k hole and being handed an ice cream. (I ate the whole thing even though in the back of my mind i know sugar can lead towards k cramps Lol)
I couldnt really tell how cold it was, just that it was sweet haha
 
Ahhh, I'm not exactly sure. I'm certainly much better than before I believe.. I'm still waiting for my dose increase to kick in, so once it reaches its full therapeutic levels I'll certainly keep you updated.

But since starting I've been working everyday, still working out but not as much, diets somewhat slacked off, but I'm feeling better about myself in general.

I really don't know how much of what I experienced was actually toxic damage, or PTSD, because I still sometimes get flashbacks that send chills down my spine and turn my stomach.

I was reading on wikipedia that the LOWEST dosing regimen used to find ANY toxic damage was 1.6 mg/kg three times, every three hours. Or large doses.

Looking back, I over exaggerated my case severly. Last night, I was able to recall every roll I did during my "abuse phase". I talleyed a total of 6-8 times MAX in a spam of just over 17 weeks. Never rolling more than once on a weekend, never more than 2 pills, usually only 1 and sometimes a half. That's probably between 60-120 mg of MDMA, probably less because I was getting my tabs for $3, so they probably wernt that high quality.

Also, I only ever redosed once, 1 pill, then one 3 hours later, but that was the night I had a very tramautic experience. I swear to you, I relived that night over a 1000 times, and I literally relived it in different scenarios (if I said this, if I did this instead, if I never walked outside when I did, if I waited 10 minutes to smoke a cigarette, if I never danced with that girl etc..) and I replayed EVERY different scenario and how it would end if I changed one aspect. I did this for MONTHs, not to mention I went through a break up so I had lots of guilty memories of me cheating on her that I tourchered myself about for a long time. I basically tore my brain apart from every aspect. Not to mention, before that weekend where I think I suffered PTSD, I got jumped by 8 people while on MDMA, and suffered a brutal concussion. That was the weekend before the WORST night of my life. I had lots of flashbacks about that occasion to, especially regret. I regretted and questioned, and tore myself apart about going to that party for months, and also tearing myself up thinking "maybe if I left sooner, maybe if I never said this, or did that" I basically tore myself apart from the inside out.

Back to the E usuage though, I only ONCE rolled two weekends in a row, only redosed once and usually took 1 pills SOMETIMES two, that doesn't even equate to the lowest possible "toxic dose" stated on wiki.

The studies your referring to are injected doses appx 20-40 times more potent than a single recreational dose, given repeatedly for days on end. Me and you never did this.

I used 10-20 pills if that, in 16 weeks, on only 6-8 different occasions, I remember nights only taking a half, and even puking it up. I honestly think I wrongfully attributed alot of my symptoms to MDMA abuse, which I never really did, as a scapegoat. I NEEEDED an answer, I'm that kind of guy. My psych said that aswell, he said your running your brain to hard to too long, now you've reached burnout. Sometimes it's better not to ask questions and to just go with it.

The total destruction your talking about is MASSIVE amounts that people wouldn't be able to tolerate or afford.

Anyways, hows things with you going? I'm still depressed and feel "empty". But I'm also not in my hometown, I've been away from everyone I know for almost 8 months, alone all the time just working, so that could be why.
 
Actually it was 9 rolls, but I do recall coming down with a bad case of depression about a month before I went through all that shyt because of relationship issues. I use to get anxiety attacks thinking about relationship provlems when I was rolling because my goal wasn't to have a good time but to get a girl, and when I never came home with one I wouldn't chill and enjoy myself, I think of negative things. Not to say I never did any damage, but I think the psychological imprint of the psychedelic experience affected me. People take acid and report having the same symptoms we do for months, without suffering any "brain damage".
 
Abusing MDMA that often is setting the scene for lifelong depression. Alexander shulgin recommends that you roll only every 3 months (4x a year). If you do so more frequently you may not be in any more harm, but you certainly are slowly ruining the drug for yourself. Consistently abusing MDMA will short out the neurons and receptors in your brain. Over time you will become less intelligent and less happy, until your brain is permanently ruined (I will note that extreme cases of MDxx abuse are rare, so it is hard to really study them and know everything). If you ever end up in a state so bad you are severely depressed, there may be hope. It will take years of recovery before you are normal again, but eventually, in most cases of abuse your body will go back to normal with proper therapy. If you know someone that abuses MDxx or ecstasy-SAY SOMETHING. It's almost never to late, it's only too late if you don't try to help. :)
 
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