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Recreational psy use

TAC: I agree completely. The recreational vs. spiritual/introspective dichotomy is completely untenable. From having followed the Superiority thread slightly, it is my impression that, possibly, the attitudinal superiority issue issuing from psychedelic use could be related to upholding this dichotomy.
(To clarify my reference to the other thread: by attitudinal superiority issue I mean the fact that some users of psychedelics proclaim a deeper understanding of stuff like "the world", "reality", "everything", "life", and appear to be holier-than-thou, presumably due to some experience in an altered state. Naturally, I am not attacking the claim that psychedelics can be judged to be superior drugs by a lot of metrics [as laid out by ps00donym], and if not for this reason then at least by appeal to de gustibus non est disputandum)

So to return to the topic at hand: I would assume it to be perfectly possible for a person to have a meaningful and giving experience on psychedelics in the company of friends at a concert or festival, or doing mundane things under the influence, or focusing more on, say, the visual beauty of the experience than the (alterations in the) mental states provoked by psychedelics.
 
J.Wallace said:
I find that when one uses a Psychedelic to get "High", to "Feel Good" or to "Get Fucked Up", inevitably they have a bad trip. One should use such substances in a manner to enhance themselves, to come to conclusions about oneself. I personally don't feel Psychedelics are meant to be enjoyed recreational in a sense of "Oh my god I feel so good right now!" but more along the lines of "Wow, I never realized this before. I feel great knowing this now, this will greatly improve my life!". It's meant to be an introspective experience, in my opinion.
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First of all, I disagree that taking psychedelics to get high will cause a bad trip. Almost all my trips have been good, regardless of why I took the drug. The reason I took it, doesn't matter after I'vfe taken it, because I am in such a different headspace.

Secondly, I believe that if I claimed I was using psychedelics for reasons other than to get a buzz, I would be lying. It's not that I haven't *tried* to use them to improve my life. It's just that it never works. Now I'm not saying the FIRST psychedelics I had didn't change or improve my life, they certainly did change my outlook on things. But these days, I now have a spiritual outlook on life already, so taking a psychedelic doesn't really change that. Does that mean I don't experience new insights when tripping? Of course not. Every time I trip, I feel like I have discovered some great wisdom. But it NEVER lasts. Time after time, I have proven to myself that the drug induced enlightenment is only temporary. Sometimes it takes a week to go away, sometimes a bit longer. But it ALWAYS goes away, and my life is no better after the trip than it was before. This is because, drugs can show you what you need to change, but you need to go about changing it. I have already seen what I need to change. I really dont see the value in seeing it again and again.

Therefore, I have to admit that my use of psychedelics is recreational. I would venture to say the same is true for many other people in this thread. I am not saying it is true for everyone, as some people have not yet seen or understood what psychs are capable of showing them. But for those of us who have gotten the message but haven't hung up the phone, consider that you may just like to feel spiritual, or feel like you are learning something or introspecting but in reality you are not growing very much. DId you know that that feeling of discovery, or revelation, can be addictive in itself? I would honestly say I was addicted to it for a while. I was obsessed with psychedelics and i wanted to repeat the revelatory experience over and over again. If you had told me I was a drug addict back then, i would have vehemently denied it, and explained that unlike other people, I used drugs for spiritual growth and introspection instead of to get high. Lol.
 
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I rarely use psychedelics recreationally. Out of 10 trips maybe 8 would be recreational. And it also has a lot to do with the compound, e.g. 4-HO-MET is for me a purely recreational psychedelic, as I don't find any depth in it. I still like to take it every now and then. But mostly my trips are quite introspective and "serious", however that doesn't mean that it can't be fun too. A trip can have different phases, more introspective phases and more recreational phases.
 
I think part of what gymstud is saying is that after using this forum more he feels he's been tripping just to get "buzzed" more frequently. Judging from the way he phrases things i get the impression he is probably high on something or tripping while he's posting, no offense or anything, I'm high right now and often am when using this forum as well. Although for some reason I hate going on here when I'm tripping.

BUT I think part of it is, there are so many different drugs being discussed here, so many new things to try, and reading endless discussion about all of these new chemicals can definitely get you in the mood to seek some out and try them. So the more chemicals you try the more frequently you trip and the more recreational your trips become because it turns into a habit and can lose the psychological depth with tolerance and familiarity.

I trip very frequently and have for five or six years now. Usually once a week sometimes more, took a three month break from everything last year tho. I've tried 43 different psychedelics so far not counting dissociatives and canabanoids. It's a recreational thing, its a spiritual practice, it's just another drug habit and it's psychotherapy all at the same time. I find they can be spiritual and recreational simultaneously. Sometimes when I trip intending to have a more spiritual experience I just have fun and other times i intend to have fun I can get into some deep territory. But alot of the time they are one in the same, a trip doesn't have to be serious and traditionally spiritual to be insightful, I've had some very silly trips that have also been profound.I like what Ondine said "it's all about the music" music is perfect example of how tripping can be a lot of fun and profound at the same time.

Dissociatives are more complicated in this respect. Alot of times they can make you feel like you're discovering the truths to the universe but the effect is inseparable from the dopamine induced euphoria and certainty that makes them so recreational and addictive.

I think that people who are using psychedelics purely recreationally and don't have a few life changing experiences under their belt may have a traumatizing experience if they end up having one unexpectedly and don't know how to handle it when they just wanted to party. Happened to my brother actually, he thought tripping was just fun and pretty colors and then took a large dose of LSA by himself and every anxiety and fear he ever had surfaced all at once. He suffered from PTSD, feeling really depressed and anxious for two years. So yea they are one of the most entertaining things I've experienced but they aren't just toys, so not in a holier than thou way but if you treat them like toys you can really hurt yourself psychologically, or even physically in some cases.
 
yes i find it's too mind bending to abuse in a purely recreational fashion. however, many trips can have a recreational factor to them !
 
Yes of course I use psychedelics recreationally! I may realize some things along the way, but I go into the experience with a couple of close friends\brother just looking to enjoy myself, talk about random deep shit and get lost in the music. Pluss the things that I "realize" during the trip seem obvious to me when I sober up.

Every single time I trip I have a absolutely awesome time and form a deeper bond with the people I trip with...and I think that is the most therapeutic part. :) ahhh can't wait for a good trip soon.
 
I don't try to get fucked up on anything, I don't like feeling like that.
However, I do use psychedelics recreationally.
 
I use psychedelics recreationally almost every time. They don't really produce deep spiritual effects like they used to unless I take an obscene amount, but I don't really think you should do that with any drug. Sure I can get introspective but that always happens automatically in the background when a small group of friends and I are laughing, listening to music, and tripping out. You don't need to try to force having a thoughtful trip it usually happens regardless of what you are doing.

I don't usually get much out of sitting there by myself ripping my mind apart trying to find out what my problems are... I don't think that is how psychedelic drugs should be used. You should be able to identify what your flaws and strengths are in your sober mind rather than while under the influence of something.

It's fun and feels good. I don't ever have a bad trip or feel guilty like I am abusing anything. Why should I? I think bad trips come from trying to create restrictions or guidelines for yourself to follow while tripping. Do's and don'ts.... OH NO we can't watch TV while tripping or we can't talk about this or that. Or the sole purpose of this trip is to pick my brain apart. What happens when that doesn't work out so well? Sit there out of your mind and confused about what to do for the next how ever many hours after you come up and realize that it isn't going anywhere. You should just focus on doing whatever you do normally when you hang out.
 
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