Stimulants Recommendations for new adhd stimulant or dosage decrease of current medication ?

[Juicewrldfan]

Hi all,

Hope everyone is doing well. I’ll try to keep this short as I have a tendency of being very long winded even without being on my medication. Basically, I have my refill appointment tomorrow for vyvanse. I currently take 60mg but it causes euphoria. LOL I know people here are going to be like what’s wrong with that?! Why are you complaining?! Lol

Well the problem with that is it triggers drug craving in me and well getting high on stimulants is the ultimate trigger for more stimulants. Can’t think of a stronger trigger.

I am considering either decreasing my dosage to 40-50mg but can’t decide between n the dose and don’t want to be stuck with a subpar dose of I go too low. I’ll probably just have to get my usual dose and experiment if I just go with decreasing the dose.

Are there any alternative stimulants for adhd that you might suggest? Vyvanse despite what most people think is one of the stronger acting stimulants prescribed of you look at the comparisons between adderral and i believe the ither was xelystrm d-amp patch they used on the study if you look at peak plasma concentrations. Maybe I’m remembering it incorrectly.

I was thinking of going for the d-amphetamine patch because it might last longer even though it’s said to only last 9 hours vyvanse only lasts 6 for me so that would be a bonus. But it seems to be weaker than vyvanse according to the study and it only goes up to 18mg per patch. I really don’t know how to do the math so see how much vyvanse that’s equal to because I’m sure its different mechanism of release effects it’s dosage.

Anyone have experience with xelstrym patches? Cost isn’t a major concern. I’m not rich but I’m already paying a hefty price for my current prescription.

Another option would be trying the chewable vyvanse instead. I thought I read somewhere that they have a lower Tmax. So that might help to not reach full on euphoria.

I know some ppl will say talk to your doctor. The issue with telling your doctor you are getting euphoria is there is a misconception that amphetamines don’t get ppl with adhd high. That’s blatantly false. And I do see an addiction specialist by the way. I don’t want them to think I’m trying to get high. Doctors don’t really like it I’ve found when you tell them these drugs are getting me high.

Don’t get me wrong. I love feeling high, but getting high on stims is not something I want to have an active addiction to. I just need to be functional.

I am veering away from MPH based drugs because I never hear good things about them. Weaker and more side effects from what I’ve heard/read. Weaker isn’t necessarily bad, but I’m cool on the side effects I’ve read a lot about. I’m also staying away from l-amohetamines. Mydayis seems cool but pretty sure it has a lot of l-amphetamine.

Well, still wrote this post really long. Sorry about the length guys. Any advice would be appreciated very much as my appointment is tomorrow morning.

Thanks!

 

[gordonliddy]

Sage works best out of anything for my ADHD.

 

[Juicewrldfan]

Sage works best out of anything for my ADHD.

As in salvia divinorum? Idk I think I’d find it harder to function lol.

 

[gordonliddy]

No, cooking sage M8. Good old fashioned officinalis.

I'm 80% sure that you have Italian sage in your spice cabinet in your kitchen? Unless you've gone full bachelor or something.

You can be enjoying sage tea in about ten minutes if you want to try this. But the fresh stuff off of a garden plant is the real deal.

Much better than methylphendidate.

 

[CFC]

Hi all,

Hope everyone is doing well. I’ll try to keep this short as I have a tendency of being very long winded even without being on my medication. Basically, I have my refill appointment tomorrow for vyvanse. I currently take 60mg but it causes euphoria. LOL I know people here are going to be like what’s wrong with that?! Why are you complaining?! Lol

Well the problem with that is it triggers drug craving in me and well getting high on stimulants is the ultimate trigger for more stimulants. Can’t think of a stronger trigger.

I am considering either decreasing my dosage to 40-50mg but can’t decide between n the dose and don’t want to be stuck with a subpar dose of I go too low. I’ll probably just have to get my usual dose and experiment if I just go with decreasing the dose.

Are there any alternative stimulants for adhd that you might suggest? Vyvanse despite what most people think is one of the stronger acting stimulants prescribed of you look at the comparisons between adderral and i believe the ither was xelystrm d-amp patch they used on the study if you look at peak plasma concentrations. Maybe I’m remembering it incorrectly.

I was thinking of going for the d-amphetamine patch because it might last longer even though it’s said to only last 9 hours vyvanse only lasts 6 for me so that would be a bonus. But it seems to be weaker than vyvanse according to the study and it only goes up to 18mg per patch. I really don’t know how to do the math so see how much vyvanse that’s equal to because I’m sure its different mechanism of release effects it’s dosage.

Anyone have experience with xelstrym patches? Cost isn’t a major concern. I’m not rich but I’m already paying a hefty price for my current prescription.

Another option would be trying the chewable vyvanse instead. I thought I read somewhere that they have a lower Tmax. So that might help to not reach full on euphoria.

I know some ppl will say talk to your doctor. The issue with telling your doctor you are getting euphoria is there is a misconception that amphetamines don’t get ppl with adhd high. That’s blatantly false. And I do see an addiction specialist by the way. I don’t want them to think I’m trying to get high. Doctors don’t really like it I’ve found when you tell them these drugs are getting me high.

Don’t get me wrong. I love feeling high, but getting high on stims is not something I want to have an active addiction to. I just need to be functional.

I am veering away from MPH based drugs because I never hear good things about them. Weaker and more side effects from what I’ve heard/read. Weaker isn’t necessarily bad, but I’m cool on the side effects I’ve read a lot about. I’m also staying away from l-amohetamines. Mydayis seems cool but pretty sure it has a lot of l-amphetamine.

Well, still wrote this post really long. Sorry about the length guys. Any advice would be appreciated very much as my appointment is tomorrow morning.

Thanks!

Just split the capsule. Take maybe 2/3 (40mg) of the dose as usual. Take the remainder later in the day. That should spread out the effective duration and reduce the risk of euphoria. I sometimes dump mine in a drink, take half straight away, then sip the rest till about 2-3pm, depending on how long I want to maintain productivity.

 

[Fourofakind]

If Vyvanse is working for you i will follow the CFC recommendations, when i was prescribed, i used to open the caps too if i want to divide the dose, inside are balls around 1mm diameter, not powder, and if you take them with a drink or food they dont taste bad.

In my opinion, modafinil works great without the crazy amphetamine effects, its a great stimulant, it even works better than Vyvanse for me, but im a daily methamphetamine/lyrica/mirtazapine/clonazepam user since 2014 aprox., so my tolerance is generally high, when i take a rest of amphs, if i feel low energy/motivation, modafinil works wonders.

I have been sober from 1st July to 15th october without any stimulant or medication and i felt great the first two months, started with meds again becouse i fall in depression and strong unmotivation that slowly progressed the last month i was clean, and need to be functional to work my business, when i was seeing all the accomulated lack of order in many areas (workplace, digital archves, house, room, etc.) i started with my regime again, but sometimes i feel methamphetamine is strong, and any amphetamine, so im trying with modafinil or modafinil/effexor this week to replace the amphetamine, obviously i feel high with my use, specially from the lyrica, i dont use huge meth doses, and even with a 100 days rest, the tolerance came back in just 2 weeks, thanks god, becouse i hate being overstimulated.

If you like Vyvanse and is working for you just open the cap to divide the dose if is what you need

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

Euphoria is beneficial if you can regulate it, and it should not endure long.

You have the ability to convince yourself and overthink, resulting in procrastination, and even go to the doctor to tell him that you are euphoric? That is a lot

Reduce the number of items and opinions you have because this contributes to ADHD.



Simply take a lower amount and see what happens because it is impossible for anyone here to answer you that correct for you to not be what? in a state of euphoria?



What have you got to lose aside the exhilaration that is causing your "I need to be functional"? not-functional

last but not least:

Don't worry, even persons with ADHD will develop tolerance

 

[Juicewrldfan]

If Vyvanse is working for you i will follow the CFC recommendations, when i was prescribed, i used to open the caps too if i want to divide the dose, inside are balls around 1mm diameter, not powder, and if you take them with a drink or food they dont taste bad.

In my opinion, modafinil works great without the crazy amphetamine effects, its a great stimulant, it even works better than Vyvanse for me, but im a daily methamphetamine/lyrica/mirtazapine/clonazepam user since 2014 aprox., so my tolerance is generally high, when i take a rest of amphs, if i feel low energy/motivation, modafinil works wonders.

I have been sober from 1st July to 15th october without any stimulant or medication and i felt great the first two months, started with meds again becouse i fall in depression and strong unmotivation that slowly progressed the last month i was clean, and need to be functional to work my business, when i was seeing all the accomulated lack of order in many areas (workplace, digital archves, house, room, etc.) i started with my regime again, but sometimes i feel methamphetamine is strong, and any amphetamine, so im trying with modafinil or modafinil/effexor this week to replace the amphetamine, obviously i feel high with my use, specially from the lyrica, i dont use huge meth doses, and even with a 100 days rest, the tolerance came back in just 2 weeks, thanks god, becouse i hate being overstimulated.

If you like Vyvanse and is working for you just open the cap to divide the dose if is what you need

Yeah, I was going to ask for modafinil when I went to my appointment but didn’t have the drive once I got there. I started craving amphetamines right away and I know modafinil doesn’t provide any sort of mood lift from the reports I’ve read so I backed out. I told myself I’ll just reduce the dose. I’ll be smarter this time. The lies I tell myself sometimes…

I’m thinking about just going into see them this week and telling them I’m not comfortable to continue taking vyvanse and why and if I can switch.

But we will see if I can get up the drive. It’s kinda hard when I know that it’s difficult to find doctors willing to prescribe true adhd meds to addicts. Ya know to just burn it down, but it’s probably what I need to do.

There’s just this part of me that likes to think that if I do this differently or this way or that, then I can take it without issue, but in reality, that is likely to never happen with me and I need to stop this before speed destroys my life again.

Yeah maybe I’ll call them today.

 

[Keif' Richards]

Hey @Juicewrldfan

"Euphoria" is terminology you don't ever want to use with your prescriber. America has a near-medieval opinion regarding pleasure. If you're enjoying it, you're doing something wrong was the rhetoric of the Catholic Church and America is very similar. I mean, our government would rather have millions die from Fentanyl OD's than adopt proven models of treatment as seen in Europe.

I also take Lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) at 50mg per day. I'm also a recovering drug addict as we all know. Stimulants were never a huge thing for me. That doesn't mean I'm not capable of losing control with this prescription. My brother holds on to my prescription for me. I believe I could manage the medication myself at this point, though I still let my brother hold ont them because, why take the chance? Maybe months or years from now, I'll be fully independent. Im not in any rush though.

I've always had severe ADHD. My medication allows me to do things that were previously impossible in my adult life.

Anyway, Lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) is, in my opinion the perfect choice for someone concerned with losing control/abusing their medication. I'm not saying it is not abusable. It does provide a lot of safeguards against misuse. It takes a while to kick in, it's taken once per day (so you're not constantly thinking about when you want/need to take your next dose).

I truly don't think there are better options out there. You could try a weaker stimulant like Methylphenidate (Ritalin). I wouldn't recommend it, as it's essentially inferior to Amphetamine. There are more peripheral nervous system effects and less of the desired central nervous system effects. Methylphenidate makes me feel like I took a dose of Amphetamine along with 4 cups of coffee. The crash was always very noticeable for me too with Methylphenidate. So, I don't believe going for a weaker stimulant is a good solution.

My opinion is that you will be facing the same issue regarding cravings if you were to reduce your Lisdexamphetamine dosage. Truthfully, I could see a reduction being the catalyst to more intense cravings. I wouldn't recommend it, though this is just my opinion.

Are you concerned with consuming your prescription early or with using street stimulants like Methamphetamine?

 

[Juicewrldfan]

Hey @Juicewrldfan

"Euphoria" is terminology you don't ever want to use with your prescriber. America has a near-medieval opinion regarding pleasure. If you're enjoying it, you're doing something wrong was the rhetoric of the Catholic Church and America is very similar. I mean, our government would rather have millions die from Fentanyl OD's than adopt proven models of treatment as seen in Europe.

I also take Lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) at 50mg per day. I'm also a recovering drug addict as we all know. Stimulants were never a huge thing for me. That doesn't mean I'm not capable of losing control with this prescription. My brother holds on to my prescription for me. I believe I could manage the medication myself at this point, though I still let my brother hold ont them because, why take the chance? Maybe months or years from now, I'll be fully independent. Im not in any rush though.

I've always had severe ADHD. My medication allows me to do things that were previously impossible in my adult life.

Anyway, Lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) is, in my opinion the perfect choice for someone concerned with losing control/abusing their medication. I'm not saying it is not abusable. It does provide a lot of safeguards against misuse. It takes a while to kick in, it's taken once per day (so you're not constantly thinking about when you want/need to take your next dose).

I truly don't think there are better options out there. You could try a weaker stimulant like Methylphenidate (Ritalin). I wouldn't recommend it, as it's essentially inferior to Amphetamine. There are more peripheral nervous system effects and less of the desired central nervous system effects. Methylphenidate makes me feel like I took a dose of Amphetamine along with 4 cups of coffee. The crash was always very noticeable for me too with Methylphenidate. So, I don't believe going for a weaker stimulant is a good solution.

My opinion is that you will be facing the same issue regarding cravings if you were to reduce your Lisdexamphetamine dosage. Truthfully, I could see a reduction being the catalyst to more intense cravings. I wouldn't recommend it, though this is just my opinion.

Are you concerned with consuming your prescription early or with using street stimulants like Methamphetamine?

Yeah. I actually have my parents hold onto my vyvanse and I get a week’s supply at a time which my wife keeps but I get into without her knowledge( emptying them out and recapping) . They live in basically a fortress so it’s safe there. However, there is the time taken for me to take the vyvanse to them which is a delay of time being work schedules and whatnot and my pharmacy is only open until 430pm.

During that period I take my dose and then usually end up emptying out a weeks supply and putting the capsules back together. Ya know, it’s not even the running out early that bothers me. Not at all.

It’s really the lies. It’s the living a double life sorta speak. They all think they’re helping me and perhaps they are but I always find a way around it. And it was my idea to have them all hold it and I never had the intention on betraying their trust. Kinda just slowly happened over time.

And regarding meth, not a concern. I have zero interest or thoughts into hitting the street for sources.

It’s really just the lies.

I will say that I took a single 60mg dose (my prescribed amount) after a 3 day binge ( 360mg a day) and it still caused euphoria. BUT I took my usual dose yesterday after not taking it for two days and I didn’t get any euphoria so maybe my tolerance has finally been put in play, yet I still had focus and everything from it.

This could be a good thing. I just really hate the lies I tell. People think that it means you don’t care or something and it doesn’t effect you, but that’s not it at all for me. It eats me up inside. Creates division in the relationships.

I guess maybe I just try again to keep it to the prescribed dose.