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Random MSN Gibberings LXXXIX: Off my rocker babbling about nothing

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yes nt I got banned from lycos chat once.. I googled proxys and downloaded the first one.. It slowed my computer and they had me at Hi...

So to conclude.. no I wouldnt be using a proxy.
 
SamhainGrim said:
I'm really conflicted on the whole CBT thing and how it's regarded by many as the current magic bullet for mental health problems.

Which is not to say that it isn't potentially very effective and useful for many - this thread is a prime example. Unfortunately the hype around it leads to heightened expectations from a lot of people, so when they're actually confronted with how damn simple most of it really is, some tend to lose faith and/or interest and it can actually become counterproductive. On a personal level I've known more people jack it in (at various stages of treatment) than I have successful cases. Then again, I know plenty of people who question widely-held beliefs about mental health, so my sample is probably not all that representative of the wider public.

I suppose a lot of the potential for success or failure depends on the patient's attitude to, and relationship with, the practitioner. As I'm inherently suspicious of many aspects of psychiatry and resistant to any kind of therapy involving intimate contact, obviously it wouldn't work for me. I can, however, confirm that basic NLP techniques (along with more esoteric stuff, but that's another story) have had a hugely positive impact on my life - and NLP tends to make Johnny Science wrinkle his spoddish, blackhead-encrusted nose, despite sharing many central principles of CBT. Funny that.

What I'm trying to say is that it works for some but nobody should see it as a miracle cure, lest they be left feeling sorely cheated. Then again, I'd always advise others to follow the advice of healthcare professionals before making the decision as to whether that's the road they want to travel.
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You're dead right in that it's seen as the latest 'magic bullet'. Main reasons for this are that A) It works, very well for some, not that well for others and B) It's relatively cheap compared with the other psychotherapies due to the much shorter duration.
There are often fast and scientifically quantifiable results with cbt - great for the statistics.

Unfortunately CBT while undoubtably valuable, often seems to tackle symptoms instead of causes - which is why on one hand it appeals to the medical model (as medicine also often takes this approach), but on the other hand many psychologists / psychotherapists feel it to be a bit of a 'quick fix' which often 'wears off' when the deeper unresolved issues resurface in some other format

Psychiatry on the other hand....well, let's just avoid those fuckers eh:X
 
Evening everyone, hope your all well, got a feeling its going to be one of those nights again:\
 
Evenin Miss Bell :)
I'm sleepless but planning on rectifying that tonight. Alright otherwise though tankyoo <3
And the night was never set in motion ;) Worry not.
Hope you're well Miss Bell (the rhyme is far too enticing now!).
 
Evening all :)

I have ear-ache and am ready for bed..

Had lots to say on the subject of CBT too but not sure I have the energy so you're all spared, hehe ;)
 
a m p h e t a m i n e s surely NT? I'm going for paracetamol and vitamin C *sigh*
 
effie said:
Evening all :)

I have ear-ache and am ready for bed..

Had lots to say on the subject of CBT too but not sure I have the energy so you're all spared, hehe ;)
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Hey effie, earache is a shitty one, hope you manage to sleep well.
 
monstanoodle said:
Evenin Miss Bell :)
I'm sleepless but planning on rectifying that tonight. Alright otherwise though tankyoo <3
And the night was never set in motion ;) Worry not.
Hope you're well Miss Bell (the rhyme is far too enticing now!).
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ha your a poet and dont know it;)
 
Bluebell said:
Hey effie, earache is a shitty one, hope you manage to sleep well.
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Oof I know, not had it in ages and not liking it! Last time my eardrum popped :(

(I owe you a pm miss bluebell, sorry!)
 
effie said:
Oof I know, not had it in ages and not liking it! Last time my eardrum popped :(

(I owe you a pm miss bluebell, sorry!)
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hey dont worry I know your a busy lady with all the modding you have to do now being a super mod=D
 
I think there's a lot of bollocks about CBT floating around out there in peoples' imaginations from the man in the street right up to a lot of CBT practitioners, and probably, beyond that, heads of NHS trusts. I mean, when I told a friend that I was on a waiting list for CBT she said 'Yeah, CBT's the best one you can get' which I just didn't bother to dissect or correct because she's one of me mates and I tend not to do that in the pub. So it is obviously in a lot of people's minds that it's a kind of magic bullet and the hype should all be taken with a hefty pinch of salt.

At first I was going through the motions a bit, my internal monologue pretty much explicitly saying 'who is this chump, he's not as clever as me, how can he plumb the depths of the mighty mind of Jancrow?' but it was good to feel as though someone was paying the shit I was in some attention. It sounds pretty shallow but fuckit, I was in a bad and needy state.

At that time I had a lot on my plate, and funnily enough I think that what I went in for was not something that could have been helped by CBT- although my situation bumped me right up the list for getting CBT - my state of mind was a response to bad events and none of the CBT in the world could have fixed that. What I am dealing with, with the help of CBT, is patterns of thought which I thought were part of my character which have been holding me back in lots of places and which were exaggerated by bad events in the same way that dental problems flare up when you're physically burned out. I don't think it was right that I was offered CBT in the situation I was in, but it has worked out in such a way that it's helping me with other things which were pre-existing but thrown into sharp relief by other events.
 
It's definitely not for everyone and it definitely relies on both having a good practitioner (or a good book/website - it is possible to do it yourself, but it's a lot harder without the help and skills of a good therapist) and being motivated enough to put the work in which is not easy when you are depressed.. I had a similar experience to you though jancrow, skeptical initally and didn't think it was helping then suddenly it really started to. It is a lot of work though. It logically made sense to me (do more of what makes you happy, less of what doesn't, stop the negative thought patterns that make you miserable - of course!) but it took a good while to actually feel/believe it and for it to start making a difference. When it did though the difference was huge..

I know someone who had 3 cycles of it for anxiety too - first two did fuck all, it was only on the 3rd try that the right combination of therapist and it finally clicking resultied in success. Completely cured the anxiety for them in the end :)

It is complicated.. it's a long term thing, doesn't click with everyone and if you don't have the negative thought patterns/behaviour that it is targetting then it won't work - I think most of us do to some extent though to be honest, and I'd prefer to learn tools for helping myself than to rely on medication. I need medication as well, it was the combination that worked for me.. and that's okay. Everyone is different, mental health is far from one-size-fits-all and it's a shame that treatments often don't take this into account. GPs are very limited on what they can offer though, and if they can offer something other than antidepressants and occasionally counselling then it's a good thing IMO :)
 
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