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Race relations hit a new low in Sydney
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Bluelight Crew
My only question is, what did they hope to achieve?
^^ Who, the police or the rioters?
I don't think the rioters were trying to "achieve" anything. Spontaneous riots like this are rarely a means to an end but a reaction driven by anger, frustration and fear.
Dr. Dre put it well...
"Cops is anxious to put niggas in handcuffs.
They wanna hang us, see us dead, enslave us,
Keep us trapped in the same place we're raised in.
Then they wonder why we act so outrageous,
Run around stressed out and pull out gauges.
Cause everytime you let the animal out cages,
It's dangerous to people who look like strangers."
I don't think the rioters were trying to "achieve" anything. Spontaneous riots like this are rarely a means to an end but a reaction driven by anger, frustration and fear.
Dr. Dre put it well...
"Cops is anxious to put niggas in handcuffs.
They wanna hang us, see us dead, enslave us,
Keep us trapped in the same place we're raised in.
Then they wonder why we act so outrageous,
Run around stressed out and pull out gauges.
Cause everytime you let the animal out cages,
It's dangerous to people who look like strangers."
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Bluelight Crew
Yeah I was talking about the rioters.
After reading the articles [although I know it's early days] I really don't think the police were even chasing this boy. They were told by a pedestrian of the accident... if they were chasing him wouldn't they have seen it for themselves?
It seems to me like it was an accident and these riots were a complete over-reaction [although I do appreciate the fact that this was probably just the catalyst].
They claim that police driving up and down their streets was intimidating and provoked them to retaliate. Well... I'm sorry but that really doesn't cut it with me. The job of the police is to keep the peace so of course they are going to heavily monitor areas of unrest.
Bah.
After reading the articles [although I know it's early days] I really don't think the police were even chasing this boy. They were told by a pedestrian of the accident... if they were chasing him wouldn't they have seen it for themselves?
It seems to me like it was an accident and these riots were a complete over-reaction [although I do appreciate the fact that this was probably just the catalyst].
They claim that police driving up and down their streets was intimidating and provoked them to retaliate. Well... I'm sorry but that really doesn't cut it with me. The job of the police is to keep the peace so of course they are going to heavily monitor areas of unrest.
Bah.
killarava2day
Ex-Bluelighter
Australian police do not have a very good record when it comes to being honest about Aboriginal death. After more than fifteen years since the Royal Commission into deaths in custody and hardly any of the recommendations have been implemented. Police protect their own and I would never take their account of things without a pinch of salt, personally i will be waiting for the results of an independent inquiry.
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^ Very good point.
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I've read the articles and I gotta say its too early to come to any conclusions at the momment with emotions running so high and the media bandwagon concentrating on the sensational facts.
The truth will hopefully come out in the wash as days go by.
The truth will hopefully come out in the wash as days go by.
I don't think it matters if the boy was chased or not, Aboriginals hate police and rightfully so. 300 years ago they were roaming around the land with spears and tribes leading a life just like any other animal. We sort of fucked them up and I totaly understand how they hate any form of authority.
As killarava2day mentioned the police have a terrible record when it comes to dealing with Aboriginals. So many of them die in custody it's not funny!
As killarava2day mentioned the police have a terrible record when it comes to dealing with Aboriginals. So many of them die in custody it's not funny!
bah
i can't stand this crap.
i try not to be prejudiced.. but i just keep on failing.
firstly, the whole kid dying because police were chasing him sounds bs. if my memory serves me correct, he did actually have a warrant or something outstanding? therefore he died resisting arrest (assuming he did have a warrant and the police did chase him). i don't understand how the police are responsible for someone falling off a bike and impaling themself? i just don't get it. and riots? they're so counterproductive!
'we hate police, therefore we're going to riot'
'oh look, there's more police.. they're targetting us because we're aboriginal!'
*blank look*
i have to agree with john brogden, and i think its refreshing to hear a policitian just be blunt. bulldoze the block. people living in squalor and poverty is creating this crime. get the area cleaned up a bit so they have something to be proud of...
and as for aboriginees being angry because they were 'fucked up' by english settlers. whatever.
a) it was 200+ years ago, thats 3 - 4 generations
and b) they're not the only people who have been invaded.riotting and crying foul of the police just doesn't cut it with me.
i think the police have a tough job, and i respect all of their actions. that includes drug related actions. i just think their actions in situations with drugs are with the best intentions, but completely misguided. i don't think their actions last night were misguided at all. as for police harrasment/presence in the area, it's because of high crime. to me, it seems as though aboriginees are using their race as a manipulative tool. there's no place for racism or anti-racism. (people using their race as an excuse).
bah to the whole situation. bulldoze the lot.
flame away, i'm just saying what so many people are thinking.
edit: and for the record, i am a white caucasion male. am i being racist? or realist? and if i were aboriginal would it make a difference?
i can't stand this crap.
i try not to be prejudiced.. but i just keep on failing.
firstly, the whole kid dying because police were chasing him sounds bs. if my memory serves me correct, he did actually have a warrant or something outstanding? therefore he died resisting arrest (assuming he did have a warrant and the police did chase him). i don't understand how the police are responsible for someone falling off a bike and impaling themself? i just don't get it. and riots? they're so counterproductive!
'we hate police, therefore we're going to riot'
'oh look, there's more police.. they're targetting us because we're aboriginal!'
*blank look*
i have to agree with john brogden, and i think its refreshing to hear a policitian just be blunt. bulldoze the block. people living in squalor and poverty is creating this crime. get the area cleaned up a bit so they have something to be proud of...
and as for aboriginees being angry because they were 'fucked up' by english settlers. whatever.
a) it was 200+ years ago, thats 3 - 4 generations
and b) they're not the only people who have been invaded.riotting and crying foul of the police just doesn't cut it with me.
i think the police have a tough job, and i respect all of their actions. that includes drug related actions. i just think their actions in situations with drugs are with the best intentions, but completely misguided. i don't think their actions last night were misguided at all. as for police harrasment/presence in the area, it's because of high crime. to me, it seems as though aboriginees are using their race as a manipulative tool. there's no place for racism or anti-racism. (people using their race as an excuse).
bah to the whole situation. bulldoze the lot.
flame away, i'm just saying what so many people are thinking.
edit: and for the record, i am a white caucasion male. am i being racist? or realist? and if i were aboriginal would it make a difference?
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Aishas Star
Bluelighter
^^ You summed it up very nicely. Couldnt have said it any better my self.
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^ Have you seen what they've done to that block? They've practically bulldozed it themselves anyway.
*ducks*
*ducks*
Dj ScAtTeRfAcE
Bluelighter
Macksta said:
yeh that does sound a bit weird, but i don't think any harm was intended...
onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
i was gonna edit it, but i don't think it was intended with any harm. what i see the comment as is that the poster is equating all humans with animals (as we are), so i'll leave it.
back on topic, thanks
back on topic, thanks
diegoblunt
Bluelighter
My friend lives almost directly on the corner of lawson and eveliegh st's. For the uninitiated, thats right in the heart of the action. He arrived home from work at 10:30pm (no trains to redfern, only central) and was on his balcony the rest of the night watching it go down. he took some photos and a short movie on his camera. he just gave me a blow by blow report of the events, but seeing i wasnt there (and it was on the news) there wouldnt be much point retelling.
one thing he did say though...the riot had quietened down and then the police decided to make an advance, thats when the aboriginals started going extra crazy (burning the station/cars etc.).
one thing he did say though...the riot had quietened down and then the police decided to make an advance, thats when the aboriginals started going extra crazy (burning the station/cars etc.).
Killing_time
Bluelighter
As with everyone else I don't know enough about the incident to make any concrete conclusions but personally I think the riot occurred in opportunity... not in some effort of vengeance for the death of the kid.
The basis for the riot was not held in wake.. rather in an excuse to be fuck some shit up.
Just my thoughts.
PEACE
The basis for the riot was not held in wake.. rather in an excuse to be fuck some shit up.
Just my thoughts.
PEACE
killarava2day
Ex-Bluelighter
We need to be asking why we have second-class citizens in this country. We need to be asking why people are so angry and frustrated that they would explode like this. People don't riot because it's rational, they do it because they're angry. And quite frankly, I don't trust Australian police, considering their less than honourable history of race-relations.
Probably more, considering that the life expectancy of the average aboriginal is twenty-years less than that of the average white australian.
No. And this is why we see the same re-occurring problems in indigenous cultures all across the globe, which only adds further weight to the arguement that the effects of massive cultural dislocation caused by colonisation has a reverberating effect that causes huge social problems for many, many generations after the event. Just because you can't keep up with the logic doesn't mean its false.
Yes you are, which is why I hate this fucking redneck wonderland. Burn Australia...
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^ I'd be interested to hear what exactly you want changed in this country. You seem to be pretty good at pointing the finger.
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/edited because it was un-necessary
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Killing_time
Bluelighter
^^^^
Hey dude.
I understand some of the comments made were bullshit but also that any post made by Jubas (or anyone for that matter) can be thrown out of context by reading it the wrong way.
I'm not promoting racist comments of any kind sort but also not promoting sympathy for that which doesn't need it.
Yes, there is HUGE injustice in the society in which we live today, but that doesn't mean every act is justified through issues related to race.
Just a though.. please don't flame
PEACE
Hey dude.
I understand some of the comments made were bullshit but also that any post made by Jubas (or anyone for that matter) can be thrown out of context by reading it the wrong way.
I'm not promoting racist comments of any kind sort but also not promoting sympathy for that which doesn't need it.
Yes, there is HUGE injustice in the society in which we live today, but that doesn't mean every act is justified through issues related to race.
Just a though.. please don't flame
PEACE