Quitting from large dose oxycodone

[jaystyle]

I fear that my oxycodone usage is so out of hand, I really don't know how I will ever be able to get off of it.

My plan was to go to Subutex, but now I read that subutex has a ceiling = 30mg Methadone. Somehow, I doubt the ceilling is so low though. I'm not all that experienced with methadone, but using calculators 30mg doesn't appear to be all that much of oxycodone. A few years back, I got on suboxone and I was prescribed 2 8mg a day. I ended up taking like 4mg the first day and was able to make do with 2mg the days after... not feeling amazing, but not that awful. I think that was around 2-3 OC80s a day back then.... insufflated. The point being, at 180-200mg a day habit I was able to transition, although it not being the most fun thing int he world, to a relatively low dose of subutex vs what I expected I would ahve to take, so maybe it will work ok now with a higher dose?

So--- now it's like oxy 600mg/day mostly insufflated. I do some oral OPS to keep me from fiending all day and to lessen the cost of the habit. Is it at all possible to go to Subutex??? Am I way above the ceilling? the way I see it, even if subutex isn't enough to get rid of the withdrawals completely, won't I adjust in a day or two? I mean--- without subutex, withdrawal is usually 2-4 days.. so at worst wouldn't using subutex give me more tolerable & shorter withdrawal symptoms? Or, is it possible that Subutex can help provide 100% relief of the worst symptoms given my daily usage of oxy?

I feel like the power of subutex is underestimated from doctors... 2 8mgs a day would ahve been way too much. I imagine 8mg a day could help almost any habit, given what I remember about the power of subutex last time. It felt crappy, and didn't provide any relief for the euphoria or comfort I was used to, but I was not sick and able to sleep ok.

I also have access to valium/xanax/clonodine/(immodium, obviously).... how awful would cold turkey be with ample supply of all these medicines? What about if subutex can only help so much but I am still in withdrawal; will these meds make it tollerable?

I really appreciate all the help and advice from people with experience here--- I don't know what to expect.

 

[Snakevillon]

30mg of bupe= 1200mg of morphines

 

[Snakevillon]

That's what the chart says bupe is 40 times stronger than morphine

 

[Bman2]

There's people with opiate habits larger than yours that get relief from subs. Some people may have to start at a larger dosage like 12-24mg and work their way down. I would honestly just stick out that 2-4 day withdrawal OR taper yourself then do it. Subs can work for some, and just add to the problems of others. If you try to abuse the sub and don't really follow a taper plan to the tee, that 2-4 day withdrawal will be more like 4 weeks. For me, I've been through a 40 day sub withdrawal and PLENTY of short acting(2-5 day) withdrawals. Even though those 2-4 day withdrawals may be more intense, I'd much rather deal with that and just stay away from sub.

 

[dwamn]

my son usually does over a gram of oxycodone in a day and 4mg of bupe 4 times a day holds him decent

 

[RTrain]

You might be sick for a few days until your tolerance drops to the ceiling of Suboxone. You are not going to be as sick as cold turkey, though.

 

[jaystyle]

Thanks everyone for your advice---- Bman; how much had you been using when you went cold turkey? Were talking 3-4 years OC use without interruption and 600mg/day. I'm scared the intensity of the WD could like kill me or something---- I hear people whine about the pains of a 100/mg a day habit. Scared to think of what this could do.

There's people with opiate habits larger than yours that get relief from subs. Some people may have to start at a larger dosage like 12-24mg and work their way down. I would honestly just stick out that 2-4 day withdrawal OR taper yourself then do it. Subs can work for some, and just add to the problems of others. If you try to abuse the sub and don't really follow a taper plan to the tee, that 2-4 day withdrawal will be more like 4 weeks. For me, I've been through a 40 day sub withdrawal and PLENTY of short acting(2-5 day) withdrawals. Even though those 2-4 day withdrawals may be more intense, I'd much rather deal with that and just stay away from sub.

 

[dwamn]

bupe at that dose will just ease the pain a little for the first few days but after that you will feel not much withdrawal at all

 

[smutt butt]

Bali Kratom has prevented WD's from Hydrocone and IV Roxicodone use many times . I no longer use anything but when Hydrocodone had no effect at all I ate, snorted then shot Roxicodone. It took 150mgs to get a nice buzz. Bali Kratom powder prevented any WD horror. When I moved up to Dilaudid and Opana shots, Kratom did not help. I was banging 16mg of Dilaudid 7-8 times a day for over a year till I just decided to stop. I took a week of vacation and told my wife not to open my door. I had no one to help me and didn't use any medication. After 4 days of puking, violent shits, 104 fever, sweating gallons while freezing and the worst effect IMO,
the heebie jeebies, it was over physically. The heebies are my name for the upper body shudders, shakes jerks that happen every 20-30 seconds. those are seperate from the constant leg jerks and cramps. Brutal hell

 

[Mr Overies]

The subutex/suboxone will definitely be your best option as for SWIY coming off of the oxycodone. The trasition can be a little rough because you need to technically be in a state of withdrawal before your first sub dose. But i wouldn't worry about detoxing after switching to the sub. With a high dosage of it you can function and not feel any of the withdrawal symptoms. There is a catch to the whole suboxone/subutex thing: When you start to ween off of the sub, which most doctors wont advise because they want you to stay on it because it makes big pharma money and it keeps the doctor feeling secure about your soberiety, but in SWIM's experience he weened down to the smallest sliver he could cut off of a 8mg suboxone strip for months and once he stopped completely he still went thru pretty bad withdrawals because the suboxone had been built up in his system for so long. The good news is that coming off of suboxone, though it takes a very long time, is still much better than going cold turkey from a 180-200mg a day habit, especially if it is intraveneous as it was in SWIM's case.