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jones-in_J

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Whats up bluelight its been a while.

Recently I have been looking into alot of stuff about the government, media, and judicial system of the US and its really pushing me to considering moving to canada (becausd its the only country close enough that I could see my family a few times a year). Anyway I was wondering from someone who lived there how the drug laws differed and anytbing else you care to take the time to tell me.. im off heroin now so this is a real consideration and possibility unlike it woulda been before.. well once mycourt date/inevidavle probation is over at least (btw will 4 drug misdemeanors and a misdemeanor asyoult affect me being able to move do you thibk? I think I can get the assault off my record in fact I know I can.. but I dont think I can do shit about the drug charges)
 
Hey jones glad you are still alive. I don't know shit about Canada other then my impaired driving conviction (misdemeanor in USA) makes me a felon in Canada and they won't let me in.
 
Couldn't you speak to a Canadian government official?
 
My boss just recently moved to canada to open some stores for the company we work for but she hated her coworkers up there so she just moved back to dc like 2 weeks ago, but before she went it was a total pain in the ass. She already had the job lined up and everything (which you have to have if you want to move there) but they apparently wont let you in if you dont have a high school diploma or GED (which i dont get because if you already have a job that wants you bad enough to get you into the country then i dont see why youd really need that) so she had to go back to south carolina where shes from to talk to the board of education because of some dumb technicality. Anyway obviously they eventually let her in, mostly thanks to the corporate office of our massive company, but it was months and months if not over a full year of work on both her part and our employer's. I think she just drinks and smokes weed now (although i think she used to do coke many years ago), when she got back she told me that the weed she gets here is acually way better than anything she got there (and she knew plenty of people there because she actually used to live there when she was younger) which we both found surprising since its legal there. And its cold as fuck there. Also im 99% sure she has no criminal background whatsoever. So in short, royal pain in the ass if not impossible :(
 
Canada's drug laws are similar to the ones in the United States, but the punishments are less steep. We don't have a three strikes rule, and most small possession does not land you in serious trouble. Our current government is working on making it more severe though. They recently passed a law saying if you are caught growing cannabis in any quantity it's an automatic 6 months in jail. Court judges are really pissed because it takes their power away to mitigate cases of first time offenders, good records, etc.

Canada and the U.S. now share all criminal data thanks to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SSP) which is basically a trite way of saying privacy invasions are now continent wide and the results are shared among all governments.

Because you have a criminal record, you might have trouble entering Canada. Some people from Canada are denied entry into the U.S. for possession charges from 30 years ago, and I'm sure it cuts both ways.

Honestly, if you are thinking of jumping ship because of fears about tyranny, I would just leave this continent. North America, along with western Europe, are about to become a shit storm. Americans have this cozy idea that Canada is a safe place to flee. It used to be that way in the hippy days and during the Vietnam War, but Canada is way less socialist now than it used to be. Our government is working hard to sell us out to corporations, remove all environmental protections, and basically make us into a mini-U.S. It's not as bad here as in the U.S., for now, but I don't plan to be here long term and I'm from here.
 
Thanks for all the replies. Really the #1 place id like to move is switzerland.. but its soo far away and id HAVE to learn at least one more language if not two (since their main languages are swiss-german, french and italian id prob move to the swiss german part if I went).. I dunno a lot to think about
 
Yeah don't move to Canistan. It's just the States, only things/drugs are expensive, there's not much to do and everyone is brown.
 
Lmao yea I got it. I actually dont think canadas for me the more I hear about it im just really impulsive so it sounded likw a good idea for a while. Switzerland sounds awesome still but its so far away. Maybe I just need to learn to be content where I am
 
PROS

Drugs are cheap.
Women are cheap.
Charges are easily beat or if not you can deal them down to a joke like sentence. Nothing harsh here.

CONS
Tons and tons of crack heads
Boring as fuck and the major cities have a lame night life
Expensive as hell
And yeah like some said- Lots of browns, lots of asians. SOme areas look and smell like a UN refugee camp.
The country is a shit hole and going down hill fast
 
It's all immigrant population. Some areas have some white people but that's quickly dying off.
 
I would rather live 'murica in a state with good pot laws. California pwns everywhere in canada by a long shot. I would rather pay more for drugs and live in NYC too.
If you live in Peel region AKA bramladesh you might see brown. Theres no brown people outside of Toronto and Vancouver. I cant even get good shwarma in Calgary. Food and gas and beer are expensive. The drugs, the one I do anyway, are cheap and plentiful.
 
PROS

Drugs are cheap.
Women are cheap.
Charges are easily beat or if not you can deal them down to a joke like sentence. Nothing harsh here.

CONS
Tons and tons of crack heads
Boring as fuck and the major cities have a lame night life
Expensive as hell
And yeah like some said- Lots of browns, lots of asians. SOme areas look and smell like a UN refugee camp.
The country is a shit hole and going down hill fast

crack heads are everywhere in general

whats wrong with immigrants tho?

or should i say why is a large immigrant population a con? just curious?
 
Whats up bluelight its been a while.

Recently I have been looking into alot of stuff about the government, media, and judicial system of the US and its really pushing me to considering moving to canada (becausd its the only country close enough that I could see my family a few times a year). Anyway I was wondering from someone who lived there how the drug laws differed and anytbing else you care to take the time to tell me.. im off heroin now so this is a real consideration and possibility unlike it woulda been before.. well once mycourt date/inevidavle probation is over at least (btw will 4 drug misdemeanors and a misdemeanor asyoult affect me being able to move do you thibk? I think I can get the assault off my record in fact I know I can.. but I dont think I can do shit about the drug charges)

Looks like this is my cue.

Hi, not really my first post here but my old account appears to have been frozen due to "abandonment" as per forum rules. Anyway.

To address the the topic at hand. I'm US born and bred, I served in the US military, my wife and kids were born in the US and I had plenty of high times in my country. That being said in the US there is a serious problem with drugs: hysterical regulation. No matter what progressive effort some individual states have made to address the issue in the end the Feds always step in to impose their narrow-minded, antiquated regulations. What applies to Boston also applies to San Diego, Seattle, Miami and everything in between. I didn't like that, didn't like living under analog rules that make a drug illegal before anyone even thinks of creating it. This will sound unusual to some who think drug users are mostly unproductive people who harm society by taking from it and not giving back, etc. What a load of crap. Personally I take uppers because they fuel my efficiency at work, which is far above average and has been for 30 years, and no one does that on motivation alone except those whose biochemistry produces natural stimulants at an unnatural rate. I do not have that luck and I consider that removing the right for me to obtain it by other means is not justified. I'm sure I could get a diagnostic of ADD or some other condition that would require uppers but I have neither time nor desire to depend on uppity paternalistic physicians for supply but I don't want to source unknown substances from the street either, and be hounded by the law for it to boot. There are perfectly legal powerful uppers available as RC's, but analog laws make that impossible in the US. It's different in the UK and Ireland but they are subjected to legal pressure from the EU where France pretty much dictates drug policies and France is just as bad as the US in this regard. This will inevitably have growing negative effects on RC supplies in the UK and Ireland. Not good, and I didn't really want to live on the British Isles because the culture is quite different, my accent would make me sound -and feel- like a foreigner, and you can't drive home from there. To top it off I just can't picture myself getting used to right-hand drive.

Then there is Canada. I'm from the Northeast, I know all about slush and snow that never melts for months, I was raised in it. In Canada I don't have an accent, people there speak just like me, I don't feel like a foreigner. Their cities are the same as ours, their cars too, even their general mentality and attitude, even their names, their faces: English, Irish, French, Italian, white, yellow, brown , black. They also dress just as poorly as we do so buying socially acceptable clothing is pretty cheap :D

But there is one huge difference with the US, drug regulations are much less anal and some, like those regulating precursors, are only vaguely enforced, if at all. But best of all for me there are plenty of legal RC's there, in fact UK and Irish residents mainly order theirs from Canada. Oh it's not out in the open but anyone bent on finding what they want can, perfectly legally. So I opted to live in a country with far less moral policing and harassment, when one can legally purchase and enjoy RC's for years before they get banned, and by then new ones with same properties have been developed. But in order to enjoy living there you have to be a legal resident otherwise you will learn that one aspect where Canada is a lot tougher than the US is the enforcement of immigration laws. Makes me laugh when Canadians complain their immigration laws are too permissive. They have no idea... an illegal immigrant under a deportation order will be sought after like a murderer, captured and jailed until the day he is taken to an airport, shoved on a flight, and immigration cops stay by the plane to make sure he doesn't get off it until it leaves the gate.

I never regretted moving here, it's just like home minus a lot of hassles. If you are an immigrant from places other than the US, Europe or Oz though. I guess it could be tough. While openly racist groups are no more (but no less either) prevalent than in the US in certain cities there are unspoken but very obvious tensions. While cities like Vancouver and Montreal (Montreal really has an uncanny resemblance with Philly btw) have had sizeable non-European communities for over a century, this is not the case for Toronto which until the 1970's was a very white city with the exception of the chinatown found in every North American city with major railway operations. Massive arrivals of Non-European immigrants in Toronto over the last 30 years was not always a rosy experience for locals.
 
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crack heads are everywhere in general

whats wrong with immigrants tho?

or should i say why is a large immigrant population a con? just curious?

It's a con when they refuse to integrate. In Canada this is more prevalent than in the US so you end up with ghettos that look and feel like a foreign -very foreign- country and whose residents are consistently taught by their leaders that their culture is superior to Western culture and need not adapt. Maybe that's not what Stiffcock meant but that is what I see. I chose to live in a mid-size city (pop 1 million) in hopes of avoiding such situations but it happens here too.
 
Theres no brown people outside of Toronto and Vancouver.

Hmmmm... the city in Canada with the largest black population (in numbers) is Montreal. The city with the largest proportion of blacks is Halifax. In both Montreal and Halifax the majority of blacks have been there for generations, they mostly descend from Southern blacks who travelled the "underground railroad" all the way. Some are also descendants of slaves brought by Loyalist Southerners when they fled the US after the Revolution and some descend from slaves owned by French colonists in early colonial times. The most famous black Canadian is probably legendary jazz pianist Oscar Peterson, who was from Montreal.
 
It's a con when they refuse to integrate. In Canada this is more prevalent than in the US so you end up with ghettos that look and feel like a foreign -very foreign- country and whose residents are consistently taught by their leaders that their culture is superior to Western culture and need not adapt. Maybe that's not what Stiffcock meant but that is what I see. I chose to live in a mid-size city (pop 1 million) in hopes of avoiding such situations but it happens here too.

hm, i never saw assimilation as something that was entirely necessary

do you feel your western culture is superior to theirs?
 
Our government is working hard to sell us out to corporations, remove all environmental protections, and basically make us into a mini-U.S.

If you had lived a long time in both countries like I have you would know that environmental laws in the US are much stiffer than in Canada and more severely enforced. It's so over-the-top it makes no sense to any sane people but the Sierra lobby is very loud and very influential in DC. In some jurisdictions people are jailed if caught putting paper in the garbage bin instead of the blue bin or green bin (regulations regarding legal bin colors vary with location). Many of the cars I see on Canadian roads would not be allowed in some states, or have engines that would be banned under guzzler laws. The province where I chose to live has absolutely no restrictions regarding engine specs other than modest guzzler fees on models sporting engines so extravagantly large you have to wonder how they can fit them under the hood.
 
PROS

Drugs are cheap.
Women are cheap.
Charges are easily beat or if not you can deal them down to a joke like sentence. Nothing harsh here.

CONS
Tons and tons of crack heads

By your description I take it you have toured Vancouver's (in)famous skid row area aka downtown eastside? This relatively small area (about 1 sq mile) has the reputation of being the most crime-ridden urban area in North America. Those familiar with the X-Files have seen it countless times whenever a seedy urban setting was required by the storyline, but it's worse in the flesh, so to speak. Tons of shady hotels, alleyways reeking of urine where no one in their right mind would ever set foot day or night would it not be for the need to score smack, intoxicated homeless natives (indians) sleeping in giant flowerpots barfing and peeing all over the place, hookers by the score but not of the most premium quality, who accept dope as payment. Oddly enough the city's main police precinct is nearby but cops I have seen there, except when handing out jaywalking tickets with unusual zeal, are remarkably discreet.
 
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