Question regarding the 2c-x's

[p0k3sMoT42o]

What's up guys. I know this is an odd question, but I hope somebody out there can help me. My experience with psychedelics is somewhat limited, so maybe somebody more experienced can answer. A few years ago, I had the opportunity to try 2c-e. The dosage was unknown, but it remains to this day the most powerful experience in my life, and it changed me completely, making me give up hard drugs and go back to college. I remember my emotions unfolding as I watched my thoughts, along with images, split apart and spiral inside my mind. I guess this is akin to what a typical psychedelic like LSD is like? I don't really have much to compare it to. It's been years since the experience, and recently I got hold of ~10 g of 2c-b (I know without any shadow of a doubt the identity of the powder). I was hoping this 2c-b would give me a similar experience to what the 2c-e did. I took 20 mg of the HBr and had very mild emotional effects. It was nice, but mostly just euphoric with lots of visuals, not much in the way of introspective thoughts or anything. In fact I remember having deeper experiences taking DXM containing pills as a stupid teen. Two or three days later, I took 25 mg of the HBr. This time, the experience was totally visual and euphoric, and I was 100% devoid of psychedelic effects at all. No eye dilation or thoughts or emotions whatsoever. Almost as if I could have taken it for escapism, which isn't what I'm looking for. I find it hard to believe that 2c-b be THAT much different than 2c-e, and everywhere I read it's supposed to be a somewhat powerful psychedelic, especially in high doses. I'm not willing to imbibe the material in any way other than orally. Is this typical of 2c-b? Is it really that weak/shallow? I gave 28 mg (again, HBr) to someone else and they said their mind was blown, that they'd never see life the same way again. I remember feeling that way after taking 2c-e. Am I maybe just immune to it or something? I'm not on any medications. I have so much of the stuff too, but I'm kind of iffy about pushing the dose as I'm relatively inexperienced with these compounds and like to be responsible about things. Any thoughts/advice?

 

[Smoky]

Hi, Welcome to Bluelight!! I've had some eye opening experiences myself long ago on these drugs but it's been a while. Do you mind if I move your post to a thread where you will receive more responses for your questions? Great to have you aboard!

 

[p0k3sMoT42o]

Thank you! No, of course I don't mind. Much appreciated!

 

[Grinders Kiefers]

2C-B tends to be much more recreational than 2C-E, and in my experience rarely leads to deep introspection or revelations - it's more so something I'd take for a show or a fun night with close friends. They are very different chemicals despite both belonging to the 2C family. That's not to say 2C-B can't get intense, but even then it usually leaves your ego mostly intact. I've taken 2C-B up to 50mg or so and while it was extremely visual and euphoric, I'd never say it was life-changing or anything like that. If you want an experience like you had with 2C-E then get a hold of 2C-E because you'll most likely never experience what you're hoping for with 2C-B.

 

[Efoj]

First of all, I'm always happy to read about people's deep experiences with 2ce. I love that chemical, it makes such a combo with my (mostly introspective/independent) nature that it feels like home to me.


2cb is one of the gentle 2c's, it's a good choice for festivals and other social events. No wonder it has been popular now and then among rave kids and was one of the first 2c's to be legally banned. Don't expect any introspection or life-changing truths from it, it's more about carpe diem. I've once had quite a powerful experience of universal bliss on 2cb during a music festival, it all will depend on set and setting.

When I think of 2ce I think mostly of solo tripping. I've experienced 2cp to be similarly introspective, though it won't affect the passing of time as much as 2ce. While I've never tried 2ci, a good friend tells me it is not unlike 2ce, either. Also heard the same about 2cd, from unreliable source.

So you got a big chemical family there, thanks to Sasha Shulgin! 2cb and 2ce were among his personal favourites. Take a look at his book Pihkal ("Phenethylamines i Have Known And Loved")

 

[Efoj]

The Shulgins famously stressed 2cb's potential for sex. Let me quote them, they must know a thing or two about the stuff they created and first tested:

"If there is anything ever found to be an effective aphrodisiac, it will probably be patterned after 2C-B in structure."
(From PiHKAL)

Ann: There are very few psychedelics that you can't make love on, if you find the right dose.
Sasha: There are some that are very body-oriented, like 2C-B for example.
Ann: 2C-B, and LSD for most people. But you have to find the right dosage level, otherwise you're going "way out there." And that's the trick. Ketamine -- we know people who are very successful making love with that...
Sasha: And I know people who don't even know where their body is while on ketamine.
(...)
Ann: On the other hand, if you consider the famous temple in India, which is full of every conceivable sex position that anyone could take, that is a temple illustrating -- as I understand it -- one of the ways to attain the God-head. It makes it very clear that this is one of the ways you get there: sex. So you cannot really divorce the sexual from the spiritual, because if you get in the right space with the right person and can open up the right things, they are one-and-the-same.
http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v12n1/12103shu.html

 

[psychoblast]

Yeah, 2c-b is recreational. 2c-e is more for self-reflection and stuff. I personally prefer 2c-b, though I think it was a 2c-e trip that led me to convert from atheism to theism (though it was a tryptamine that led me to buddhism). I found 2c-c to be sort of like a weaker / slightly rougher version of 2c-e, getting me to a similar retrospective place but with more body load and anxiety.

I would not compare other psychedelics to the 2c-x's IMO acid and shrooms / tryptamines have their own feel.

Setting & intention matter a lot, too. I expect if I did 2c-b and then meditated and did yoga, I might go to a much more contemplative state than if I did it at a music festival.

10g is a hell of a lot of 2cb.

~psychoblast~

 

[Dresden]

I've tried 2cp, 2ce, 2ct2, and 2ci from different sources, and I never really got high at all from any of them, even 50mg+ of 2ce.

 

[Efoj]

I've tried 2cp, 2ce, 2ct2, and 2ci from different sources, and I never really got high at all from any of them, even 50mg+ of 2ce.

Sorry to tell you this, but you got bad sources. 50mg of pure 2ce (in fact anything over 25-30mg) is an overwhelming dose with strong and uncomfortable bodyload. If you ever get 2c's from another source, please check carefully the common doses and don't start at 30mg+ for 2ce or you may have quite a bad experience.

 

[Si Dread]

...not to mention the total irresponsibility of posting about that sort of 2c-e dosage on a Harm Reduction site...

 

[Grinders Kiefers]

...not to mention the total irresponsibility of posting about that sort of 2c-e dosage on a Harm Reduction site...

I mean, if someone is unable to comprehend the meaning of that post in context, then they probably shouldn't be messing around with 2C-E anyway. You can go to plenty of other sections on this site and see people talking about injecting 1/4g of coke/heroin/meth but they got to that point with tolerance and an idle mention of taking that amount shouldn't be construed as "this is a safe amount [for me] to ingest". Is anyone really going to view this particular thread, see Dresden's post and decide 50mg+ is a good/safe dose of 2C-E? No, they're probably going to visit the 2C-E Big & Dandy or the dosage page for 2C-E on Erowid if that's the information they're after.

 

[Efoj]

I mean, if someone is unable to comprehend the meaning of that post in context, then they probably shouldn't be messing around with 2C-E anyway.

2C-E has a very steep dose-response curve and can cause uncomfortable bodyload/stomachache. Unfortunately, not everyone checks erowid before using something. I'm a great enthusiat of 2c-e and I never dosed more than 15mg myself. Be careful, everyone.

 

[Chemical Wizard]

I have a lot of experience with 2c-e and a good deal of experience with 2c-b. Both have absolutely floored me. But 2c-b was more easy going. The visuals aren't so in your face and complex as 2c-e. It gave me a more comfortable body buzz than 2c-e, but was still intense. Everyone I've ever shared a 2c-b experience with definitely got realllly high.

I've had sex on both too. 2c-e is a damn good sec enhancer, but it's not nearly as good as the 2c-b. With 2c-b it's all crazy tactile animalistic mind meld sex with ridiculously enhanced orgasms and refractory period. 2c-t-7 takes the cake for best sex drug in my book though.

 

[Grinders Kiefers]

2C-E has a very steep dose-response curve and can cause uncomfortable bodyload/stomachache. Unfortunately, not everyone checks erowid before using something. I'm a great enthusiat of 2c-e and I never dosed more than 15mg myself. Be careful, everyone.

I'm aware of the steep dose-response curve, but Dresden shared an anecdote saying he had taken over 50mg of (supposed) 2C-E and never really got high, he didn't say "50mg is a safe dose of 2C-E to take". Whether or not what he took was truly 2C-E, it's ridiculous to expect someone to censor themselves because some people can't comprehend the difference between "I took this much" and "this is how much you should take". I understand not everyone checks Erowid but I'd be aghast if someone took that comment as an indicator of safe/normal dosage.

 

[Synthorganixxx]

BK-2C-B is hella recreational

 

[Peacephrog1972]

I guess 2C-E affects me differently than most because I did not find it to be introspective or any type of mind fuck....it was just pure visuals and euphoria for me.....extremely easy going