Question on Rolling

[Dlucia711]

Good day everyone,

Next weekend i will be attending electric zoo in new york for all three days. I planned on just hanging out the first day, maybe smoke a little tree, drink a tiny bit, nothing too crazy. The next day (saturday) which also so happens to be my 21st bday, i planned on rolling (ofcourse) and i also planned on rolling sunday as well 8(. I pretty much wanted to see from people who are more educated and experienced if my plan is a good idea.

First let me tell you some details:
I am currently 20, 5'10 155lb.
I have 1.4g of pure mdma, tested and everything, this stuff is the real deal and is coming directly from the source.
I have rolled 2 times in my life; this past june 8th, and July 15th.

Here is my plan and i just want to know if this is sufficient for someone who will be rolling 2 days in a row. For my brain i plan on taking the least amount of molly as possible. Everything is going in capsules. I planned on starting out saturday poppin .12 around 1:00pm (rave ends at 11pm). 2 Hours into that i planned on re-dosing with 75mg and another 2 hours after that dosing again with 75mg. Hopefully that can make me roll all night. The days leading up i will be taking lots of vit-c, grapefruit juice,dark chocolate, and fish oil pills as i do everyday anyways. I will be drinking vit-c all throughout my roll and water to prevent as much oxidation in my brain as possible.

Sunday i planned on dosing at 1pm again with .15 and then re-dosing every 2 hours with .1. And pretty much the same routine diet wise as the day before.

My question to anyone willing to put their 2 cents in is is this a good idea to do? Are there any tips you can give me to make sure i can effectively roll 2 days in a row. I plan on taking at least a 3 month break before i roll again.

Thank you for anyone who takes time to read and respond to this:D it is much appreciated.

 

[JimSteele]

Do not roll two days in a row. Pick one day to roll. Make sure that the "molly" is real mdma. Oh and do not roll two days in a row

 

[Dlucia711]

Do not roll two days in a row. Pick one day to roll. Make sure that the "molly" is real mdma. Oh and do not roll two days in a row

Ahh it's going to be so hard not to due to it being my 21st bday weekedn. I am an avid health freak and always want to be healthy and most likely wont ever roll 2 days in a row again. Thank you for your reply though, your thoughts have been taken into consideration.

 

[futura2012]

Hello Dlucia

Ive rolled for 18 years. Stopped now due to long term come down issues. I abused MDMA paying the price now.

Looking back the times when I really did the damage was at the 3-4 day festivals.

To back up Jim 100% and to protect you please AVOID the second day.

The second days are never as good as the first and I always found myself having to hit mega dose to get any effect. Or munching speedy pills etc. Its also those second days when your so fucked up that you make mistakes like to much dose, not aware of whats going on around you (you get the picture).

It is these redose days that do the real damage. I speak from horrible experience. I am living the aftermath.

Personally I would hit the drink a bit the following day. I guess this advice is not harm reduction but its better than more MDMA.

We all seek the peak feeling but the day after if you just chill the day after E you are still pretty high. It just doesnt compare to the peak from the previous day. i found with a few drinks and some good mates day two and three can be just as much fun without the drugs.

The other thing you might want to look at is the total dose on day one also. If I have understood correct then total plan is 120mG + 75mG + 75mG.

Total dose 280mG. This dose in my opinion is too high.

Limit it to 150mG total. Initial 90mG with 30mG and 30mG. I think with all the intelligent sourcing and testing you have done if you followed these rules that would be best Harm Reduction in my opinion.

I so wish I had been more sensible at 21.

Hope this info helps

Have a great 21st.

 

[blah blah]

If a weekend runner is in order for you, hit psychadelics on one of em instead. They're not gonna hammer your seratonin system like rolling back to back.

 

[futura2012]

Just another thought

If you lower the dose to 150mG MDMA

I am not sure if other members would agree with this but if you feel this is not enough you could bump a small amount of speed say on dose 2.

I personally dont like speed in pills as you cant control the dose but a very small dose such as 30mG mixed with MDMA can sometimes enhance the roll.

if your adding speed avoid D-meth it will wire you out.

I think this would at least be better than 280mg of MDMA.

Its not true Harm Reduction advice however.

 

[Dlucia711]

Thank you for the extensive replies futura2012 it's appreciated along with the concern for the overall health of ones self. I will not dose as high like your suggested and i don't think i will two days in a row now after it would be the sensible option to take the advice from someone who has gone through it all. To try and make my 3 day birthday weekend one to remember maybe this will be a good alternative, although i could be wrong.

Friday: Just hang out and relax, enjoy the atmosphere
Saturday: I have never taken a psychedelic before and if i was to ever drop acid i would limit myself to one hit, see how im feeling, then maybe one more. However to try and limit the paranoia acid can potentially cause especially when you are at a music festival with 85k+ ppl would it be okay to say eat absolutely no more than 50mg of mdma and then take the acid? Just to try and rule out all possibilities of having a bad trip for my first time.
Sunday: Dose with mdma like futura suggested; 90mg then 30mg and 30mg.

Thank You all once again.

 

[futura2012]

Hello Dlucia

Just so you know in my opinion MDMA is very much a psychedelic.

The LSD mix would certainly add to your role thats for sure.

Personally I would steer you away from acid. In both times I took it the high lasted way too long and the feelings were very unpredictable. The hit for me was 12 hours + peaking at 6.

First time I took it was at a rave. It was a 250uG red dragon. Awful experience. 12 hours of horror.

Second time was day time on a mountain. A better experience but still a very weird high.

The issue with LSD is you have to be very careful about the dose. As your dealing in uG as opposed to mG you need to be ultra careful about dosing.

If your planning on mixing with a role i would suggest 1/4 of a tab but be sure to have an idea of the dose of the tab. They can have a massive variation.

I dont have an experience of mixing LSD with MDMA so cant comment on how this would be. The MDMA may well smooth the acid trip. It might make it worse I would be speculating to answer this.

You could try MDA. thats quite trippy. The mix of MDA and MDMA works well together, this still doesnt cure the second day issue.

I would advise against a small MDMA dose day 1 then high dose day 2. Thats a sure way to long term cognotive issues.

As you are young and little down regulation. The small dose of MDMA would still cause a significant release. The high dose day two would be a bad plan for harm reduction.

I cant advise you about taking another psychedelic such as LSD day two. I assume the argument is the dose of drug is so small it doesnt effect your chemical balance too much. Briefly looking on wikepedia it seems to increase glutamate in the cerebral cortex also affecting the 5HT2A receptor. I dont know what risks are presented mixing it with MDMA. Its powerful I know that for sure!

If it were me I would enjoy the MDMA at sensible dose. Maybe smoke a bit of weed before. Hit the drink the day after.

I think the most harm came to me on the big multi day drug binges and the big dose sessions. What exact drug did what I dont know but the more hard drugs you take the more the risk that I can guarantee. Speaking from the other side of the fence limitation is the key. There will be many more good times to come if you take it easy.

Hope this helps sorry for the lack of knowledge on LSD never my thing.

The only psychedelic I ever liked was MDMA.

Some argue MDMA is not psychedelic but if you research it a bit and draw your own conclusion.

 

[Dlucia711]

Hello Dlucia

Just so you know in my opinion MDMA is very much a psychedelic.

The LSD mix would certainly add to your role thats for sure.

Personally I would steer you away from acid. In both times I took it the high lasted way too long and the feelings were very unpredictable. The hit for me was 12 hours + peaking at 6.

First time I took it was at a rave. It was a 250uG red dragon. Awful experience. 12 hours of horror.

Second time was day time on a mountain. A better experience but still a very weird high.

The issue with LSD is you have to be very careful about the dose. As your dealing in uG as opposed to mG you need to be ultra careful about dosing.

If your planning on mixing with a role i would suggest 1/4 of a tab but be sure to have an idea of the dose of the tab. They can have a massive variation.

I dont have an experience of mixing LSD with MDMA so cant comment on how this would be. The MDMA may well smooth the acid trip. It might make it worse I would be speculating to answer this.

You could try MDA. thats quite trippy. The mix of MDA and MDMA works well together, this still doesnt cure the second day issue.

I would advise against a small MDMA dose day 1 then high dose day 2. Thats a sure way to long term cognotive issues.

As you are young and little down regulation. The small dose of MDMA would still cause a significant release. The high dose day two would be a bad plan for harm reduction.

I cant advise you about taking another psychedelic such as LSD day two. I assume the argument is the dose of drug is so small it doesnt effect your chemical balance too much. Briefly looking on wikepedia it seems to increase glutamate in the cerebral cortex also affecting the 5HT2A receptor. I dont know what risks are presented mixing it with MDMA. Its powerful I know that for sure!

If it were me I would enjoy the MDMA at sensible dose. Maybe smoke a bit of weed before. Hit the drink the day after.

I think the most harm came to me on the big multi day drug binges and the big dose sessions. What exact drug did what I dont know but the more hard drugs you take the more the risk that I can guarantee. Speaking from the other side of the fence limitation is the key. There will be many more good times to come if you take it easy.

Hope this helps sorry for the lack of knowledge on LSD never my thing.

The only psychedelic I ever liked was MDMA.

Some argue MDMA is not psychedelic but if you research it a bit and draw your own conclusion.

Thank you for the response. I am not going to roll two days in a row anymore simply because I will thank myself later. My plan is to drink,cannabis, relax day 1, roll day 2, and smoke/drink day 3 with the hopes of having a nice afterglow from the mdma. Your comments are much appreciated

 

[futura2012]

No worries my friend

I think if you follow that plan its not 100% safe but its good Harm Reduction.

Just one thing to add be sure to read up about weed as well. If you have any form of mental disorder in your family such as schizophrenia be very cautious about weed also.

I have a friend whos brother completely lost their mind with weed at about the age of 30. It argubaly triggered schizophrenia. He hears voices and is in a very bad way. He is now 50 and has it for life. This is worst case scenario but something to at least have an awarness of.

Sorry I couldnt give better info about the MDMA LSD mix I just have no personal experience.

but I promise you this if you always follow that dont role two days in a row and keep the dose down approx 150mG to quote your own words

"I will thank myself later"

Someone once said to me

"Each time you take E you are robbing from your future"

I never really understood what they meant until now.

You will thank yourself later because if you follow the HR rules you limit the robbery!

Have a great time. I love it in New York.

Futura.

 

[blah blah]

If a psychadelic buffet is at your disposal and you're worried about the mental carnival you may have, then see about 2C-B or 25c-NBOMe or 25i-NBOMe. They're definitely more gentle on the noggin than LSD. Hell even a half eighth of boomers would make the night enjoyable without crapping on the seratonin system.

2C-B is my go-to chem for events when I'm on a break from the M's. It makes things extra fluffy without acting all vibey like LSD haha

CandyFlipping is a great time in itself as the MDMA pushes you more toward the positive spectrum of the LSD mental carnival. However, we're after a no MDMA second day right?

 

[Dlucia711]

No worries my friend

I think if you follow that plan its not 100% safe but its good Harm Reduction.

Just one thing to add be sure to read up about weed as well. If you have any form of mental disorder in your family such as schizophrenia be very cautious about weed also.

I have a friend whos brother completely lost their mind with weed at about the age of 30. It argubaly triggered schizophrenia. He hears voices and is in a very bad way. He is now 50 and has it for life. This is worst case scenario but something to at least have an awarness of.

Sorry I couldnt give better info about the MDMA LSD mix I just have no personal experience.

but I promise you this if you always follow that dont role two days in a row and keep the dose down approx 150mG to quote your own words

"I will thank myself later"

Someone once said to me

"Each time you take E you are robbing from your future"

I never really understood what they meant until now.

You will thank yourself later because if you follow the HR rules you limit the robbery!

Have a great time. I love it in New York.

Futura.

Thanks for the advice and tips. Weed won't be a problem as that is my drug of choice and i am highly "pun intended" educated in all aspects of the cannabis field. I will try my best to keep the dosage as low as possible, don't want to hurt my brain or loose the "magic" for future mdma endeavors. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences.

 

[duanomatic]

If a psychadelic buffet is at your disposal and you're worried about the mental carnival you may have, then see about 2C-B or 25c-NBOMe or 25i-NBOMe. They're definitely more gentle on the noggin than LSD. Hell even a half eighth of boomers would make the night enjoyable without crapping on the seratonin system.

2C-B is my go-to chem for events when I'm on a break from the M's. It makes things extra fluffy without acting all vibey like LSD haha

CandyFlipping is a great time in itself as the MDMA pushes you more toward the positive spectrum of the LSD mental carnival. However, we're after a no MDMA second day right?

Capital Idea, blah blah. I can tell you are an experienced psychonaut. Personally, I would NOT recommend taking lucy for the first time at a festival. Going the route of 2c-B is a great idea! I did this at a show last year (even though i had lucy at my disposal) and found it to be very enjoyable. A great mix of light visuals and enhanced music and very light on trip.

Futura, thanks for your input as well. I have rolled 20-25 times, and i did once on consecutive days, about 200 mg each time, maybe 250 on the second day, marquis reagent tested straight to black. It took me about five days to recover from that. And the second day was not worth the extra neurotoxic consequences for sure. Who knows what kind of damage I did to my brain by doing that. Luckily I have yet to detect any long-term lingering consequences from my usage. Otherwise I am a very fit and healthy guy, I run five days a week and eat very healthy. Rolling wise I have cut back to four times a year (once every three months seems to be the rule of thumb) and only on special occasions (festivals, etc). I will add to your point, futura, that in the beginning i did not consider MDMA a psychedelic, but the last handful of rolls have had a very distinct psychedelic feel to them with some deep thoughts, ego loss, and even a hint of visuals. So I agree with you there.

Dlucia, I have been in your shoes bro. I have been to many festivals and it's always a catch 22 as to what night and when you are going to roll. In November I'll be going to EDC and I'll have to choose one night to roll on. It is always a difficult choice, but it is the right one. Just try to plan for that special moment or maybe your favorite artist at the show and roll then. You'll no doubt be tempted to roll the next day but try to resist. Anyways, there couldn't be a better place to celebrate your 21st than at EZOO! Not sure who you're going for but if I were you i'd save my roll for the A&B set on the group therapy stage! Be sure to tell us how it was bro!!

 

[futura2012]

Hello Duanomatic

Rolling wise I have cut back to four times a year (once every three months seems to be the rule of thumb) and only on special occasions (festivals, etc).

marquis reagent tested straight to black.

I will add to your point, futura, that in the beginning i did not consider MDMA a psychedelic, but the last handful of rolls have had a very distinct psychedelic feel to them with some deep thoughts, ego loss, and even a hint of visuals. So I agree with you there.

In November I'll be going to EDC and I'll have to choose one night to roll on. It is always a difficult choice, but it is the right one.

To hear comments like this makes me so happy as it means one more persons life not fucked up by MDMA.

When you hear this it makes me realise what an invaluable tool that bluelight is for people.

It attracts people that are here with one thing in mind to share and help.

You will never regret these decisions to educate yourself in this way and follow these rules. You follow them you live for a happy and productive future.


One last point. Picking up on your quote.

Luckily I have yet to detect any long-term lingering consequences from my usage.

Yes of course lucky as every time you take a drug you take a risk

but in some ways not so lucky...

MDMA has this horrible habit of not showing any signs of damage until way into later life. When you see the signs its too late. I say this comment from my own personal experience. If you do ever abuse it and make this discovery prepare yourself to be alive inside a 'horror movie' of one comedown you could never dream of.

MDMA is a serious Neurotoxin not to be underestimated at any moment.

Hopefully at some point you will find a time when MDMA and you part ways but for now enjoy the ride.

Stay safe, be happy, enjoy EDC

Thanks for your positive comments.

 

[duanomatic]

Good stuff futura, thanks for the insight. Harm reduction is the key!

 

[Dlucia711]

Capital Idea, blah blah. I can tell you are an experienced psychonaut. Personally, I would NOT recommend taking lucy for the first time at a festival. Going the route of 2c-B is a great idea! I did this at a show last year (even though i had lucy at my disposal) and found it to be very enjoyable. A great mix of light visuals and enhanced music and very light on trip.

Futura, thanks for your input as well. I have rolled 20-25 times, and i did once on consecutive days, about 200 mg each time, maybe 250 on the second day, marquis reagent tested straight to black. It took me about five days to recover from that. And the second day was not worth the extra neurotoxic consequences for sure. Who knows what kind of damage I did to my brain by doing that. Luckily I have yet to detect any long-term lingering consequences from my usage. Otherwise I am a very fit and healthy guy, I run five days a week and eat very healthy. Rolling wise I have cut back to four times a year (once every three months seems to be the rule of thumb) and only on special occasions (festivals, etc). I will add to your point, futura, that in the beginning i did not consider MDMA a psychedelic, but the last handful of rolls have had a very distinct psychedelic feel to them with some deep thoughts, ego loss, and even a hint of visuals. So I agree with you there.

Dlucia, I have been in your shoes bro. I have been to many festivals and it's always a catch 22 as to what night and when you are going to roll. In November I'll be going to EDC and I'll have to choose one night to roll on. It is always a difficult choice, but it is the right one. Just try to plan for that special moment or maybe your favorite artist at the show and roll then. You'll no doubt be tempted to roll the next day but try to resist. Anyways, there couldn't be a better place to celebrate your 21st than at EZOO! Not sure who you're going for but if I were you i'd save my roll for the A&B set on the group therapy stage! Be sure to tell us how it was bro!!

I am not too educated in the department of RC's assuming that's what 2c-b is so excuse my ignorance. What is 2c-b? Little softer than lucy? If i was ever to come in contact with lucy id only take half a tab and see how i feel from there, but this is a game time decision if the opportunity arises.
I will most deff be checking out A&B and even better they are playing on two days ! I will be tempted and i hope my better judgement gets the best of me. Will post an update next week about how everything went and played out. Thanks for the help

 

[Dlucia711]

Well i am back from ezoo and here for the update. First let me say that those 3 days were by far the best 3 days i have ever experienced in my life, even if i did not do the drugs i did i would have still said it was the best three days, they have forever changed my life.
I ended up doing not what i planned and would have never thought i'd do what i did but i do not regret it.

Friday: We found acid in the form of sugar cubes before getting on the ferry. My two friends took one each and after about a half hour after contemplating if i should take it or not i took a lil more than half a sugar cube. Once arriving at the festival and hanging out for a couple hours i started to feel the acid, nothing crazy at all just a different feeling, can't describe it, it didn't impair me everything was just different. About 4 hours into first day i took 30mg of mdma. Complimented the little bit of acid nicely and let me let loose a little bit easier and was very enjoyable. However towards the end of the night i started to have a pounding headache but that was entirely due to the lack of nutrition and food i ate throughout the day. I didnt plan on doing both those drugs the first day at all, planned on eating there but sometime there are a change of plans. Overall first day was very good.

Saturday: Woke up feeling fine, not tired, head didn't hurt, i made sure i had a big healthy brunch and drank lots of fluids. Around 5 that night i then took 80mg of mdma. I deep down i didn't want to because it would be bad to go two days in a row, but it was my birthday and the environment was so perfect i couldn't not roll. Everybody was amazing that day, benassi, rusko, 12th planet, A&B,Aoki, and more i don't even know just did an amazing job and i had the best day of my life up to that point. Went to bed that night very easily, didn't have any bad come down.

Sunday: Woke up once again feeling perfect, wasn't even sore but i think that can be due to me stretching before and after each days. I kept myself very hydrated and ate one very good meal again. Around 4:30 once again my devil side got the best of me and i took 120mg of mdma and although that was not he responsible choice, i had the absolute best,loving,amazing,life changing day of my life. There was so many good vibes and love being spread, everything was perfect. And up until 4:30 i was dancing and having a good time even before i rolled. About 20 min after i took my dose is the first time i actually "rolled face" and "blew up" a wave just hit my body and my whole vision shook and i couldnt focus on anything. Wasnt scary just weird, aware of this i grabbed one of my friends and told him i needed to just go sit down and relax for a few minutes "mind you it was very hot too". While we were up at the garden of ez i kept apologizing to my friend i had to do this and its happening. Knowing i felt bad he walked up to a group of 4 girls sitting down and asked if one could give me a massage to calm me down and one of them did. From there we all had an instant friend ,p.l.u.r, connection and we all were having conversation. We hung out and saw different artists and smoked the whole day and it made everything perfect and an experience i will never forget.

Although i was not responsible i learned a lot, i found a new love in the edm festival scene and not because of the drugs but because it is sort of a utopian environment where everyone is happy and loving and friendly. I learned that i can dance and have a fck*** great time even without drugs. Everyone expresses themselves freely with no one to judge and there was not one act of violence.

I will not be taking or using any drugs besides cannabis for at least the next 6 months. I did not make a responsible decision, but i had the absolute best time of my life. I had no bad come downs and i feel 100% fine, not even sore after raging for hours on ends.

Thanks everyone for their advice, don't think i disregarded what anyone of you said, in the end we all make our own decisions, good and bad, i have learned a lot and had the time of my life while doing it.

Thanks for anyone who reads this, sorry it is so long, im at work with not much to do =p

 

[futura2012]

Hello Dlucia

Sounds awesome. Thanks for the update.

No one expects you to take the advice as gospel just hearing your safe and aware of the drugs negatives.

Thats enough to make everyones efforts worth while.

Look forward to hearing about your next drug dilemma in 6 months :D

Futura