Question for those who want legalization in CA.

[rollingstoned!]

Why? Besides the good 'ol fact that you have a right to.

I am kind of against legalization on account that marijuana is everywhere where I live and we have no real medical program. Still, people grow, sell, buy, and import it. A lot of people. If you think it out right, you can get rid of your chance of getting caught growing, buying and selling, etc.

And I read somewhere that Prop 19 would be worse for heavy marijuana users than now. From what I understand, you find a doctor willing to prescribe it for you and you won't have any problem with police or anything like that.

 

[Zoinky]

So I can get a job without having to worry about a piss test.

 

[raver2008]

Prop 19 might not of been perfect but as far as reasons to want it legal, its more like what reasons are there to not want it legal? I definatly cant think of any. It will be just as easy if not more easy to get. The price at the very least would have to stay the same but odds are because of how mass produced it will be and how cheap it is to grow and the fact that the gov knows that if they dont make it cheaper than it is on the streets everyone will just keep buying it from streets so most likely it would cost less, and you'd have nothing to worry about legally. Plus being legally aloud would incourage alot more smokers to start growing there own and not needing to waste any money at all. Thousands of innocient people wouldnt be locked up in jail like animals over pot.
Then all the people who could start growing not just for themselves but for medical patients,stores and shit like that. Who wouldnt love to grow pot for money. Seems like alot of good reasons to have pot legalized

 

[bluelightdotcom]

Legalization would be awesome. Buying weed in stores would kick ass but its already everywhere, easy to get, and super cheap. We don't really need legalization, maybe just more decriminalization like the Netherlands.

 

[raver2008]

Then theres also the fact that its just wrong in everyway possible for it to be illegal, its against everything our "free countries" are suppose to stand for. If pot was never discovered before and made illegal, and tomorrow a scientist were to stumble across it, you would see headlines in every news paper, every radio sation,tv station,magazines would all be hailing it as a miracle drug, the greatest medicine ever discovered, what else can treat so many things, nothing can. Its a shame really, something so positive is veiwed so negative

 

[psychomimetic]

If you've ever been locked up then you should understand. There are hundreds of thousands of people currently trapped in cages. They lost their jobs, many of their relationships, part of their mind (it can be regained but everyone I've ever known who was locked up was abnormal when released) and most importantly, their freedom. Many of them also lost a lot of property and money.

If the charge was a felony, they will have a very, very hard time finding employment once out.

Is that a good enough reason for legalization? To keep the police from kidnapping and imprisoning all the people who they currently fuck over so thoroughly over weed? That's the primary reason I believe drugs should be legalized.

If that's not enough, here's a few more-
-Price would decrease
-Everyone could grow without fear (except minors)
-Everyone could smoke without fear (except minors)
-No one would ever have to worry about weed being laced
-Quality would most likely go up even faster then it is already due to commercial breeding in a much more scientific setting
-More scientific and medical studies could be done on marijuana and its constituents
-It would decrease the social stigma around marijuana
-You would always get to know the strain name when buying (kinda neat imo) and thus would be able to choose which effects you wanted from the weed you were smoking
-It would potentially open the doors for legalization of other drugs once weed is legal and people see that the world doesn't end in a sudden uproar of sin.
-It could help boost the economy somewhat.

There's also the fact that there is literally no reasonable reason to make drugs illegal, with a few possible exceptions being dangerous research chemicals that actually do become more or less unavailable when made illegal. And the prohibition of those drugs is still unreasonable, but I think there are a few reasonable reasons behind such action. The negatives still greatly outweigh the positives. There's definitely no reason at all that marijuana should be illegal.

The people saying that prop 19 would be bad for users were greedy growers who enjoy raping people's pockets for weed and don't want it to be taxed. Fuck them, they care more about profit then freedom, as long as they keep making money they don't give a shit about all the people suffering because of prohibition.

 

[psychomimetic]

If you think it out right, you can get rid of your chance of getting caught growing, buying and selling, etc.

No you can't. You can maybe decrease the chance, but everyone who uses, grows or sells is at risk of being arrested. With the exception of some very wealthy and famous people, and even they might get arrested, they just won't get in trouble.

 

[whataboutheforests]

you're saying growers care more about profit than freedom and the government doesnt? hahahaha.

No offense man but everything you just said makes you sound really un informed on this. Alot of those points seems like optimistic assumptions.

Getting a med card would fulfill most of the things you mentioned.

As for growing without fear, 6 plants really isn't that much (i think it's 6 per house, i could be wrong)

weed being laced...honestly?

As for strains, don't expect everything to be labeled correctly. I have a med card and there are weirdly named strains in dispensaries. I've seen 'purple haze' quite often, basically they will call any stain anything in order to make it sell. You would probably have more sucess with growing, as long as you know exactly what strain the seeds/clones came from.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "drugs" but I don't think that argument should even be connected to the legalization of marijuana

 

[delta_9]

Lol hard at this topic(well, more at it's responses)

Enacting a decriminalization law or a legalization law is certainly not the answer. We need to abolish the current laws, NOT enact more laws which will only make the 'US Legal System' even more confusing.8(

 

[psychomimetic]

you're saying growers care more about profit than freedom and the government doesnt? hahahaha.

No offense man but everything you just said makes you sound really un informed on this. Alot of those points seems like optimistic assumptions.

Getting a med card would fulfill most of the things you mentioned.

As for growing without fear, 6 plants really isn't that much (i think it's 6 per house, i could be wrong)

weed being laced...honestly?

As for strains, don't expect everything to be labeled correctly. I have a med card and there are weirdly named strains in dispensaries. I've seen 'purple haze' quite often, basically they will call any stain anything in order to make it sell. You would probably have more sucess with growing, as long as you know exactly what strain the seeds/clones came from.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "drugs" but I don't think that argument should even be connected to the legalization of marijuana

I'm saying that all that bullshit propaganda right before the election trying to get potheads to vote no was written by greedy growers who care more about profit then freedom.

I said nothing about the government caring about freedom. I don't think I understand your point.

I hate that people always laugh when I say laced weed. Have you heard of grit weed? Weed gets laced pretty often.

I have also bought weed on multiple occaisions that I know for a fact had PCP on it (tested positive for PCP). It happens.

Getting a medical card is an ok option, but the problem with this is that I live in Texas. If California legalized and other states saw the results then it would set the stage for nation-wide legalization, or would at least get more states on the legalization boat.

The strain thing was mostly just something I think is kinda cool, it doesn't matter much to me.

What of my post seemed like an assumption? None of them were, except the bit about quality going up. Even that though, I base on the fact that when marijuana is decriminalized quality often jumps up in the area, and I think this would be more true with legalization.

Are you one of those people that claim that marijuana isn't a drug? What I mean by drugs is the definition of what a drug is. I think that if marijuana is legalized other drugs will inevitably be legalized as well, probably starting with psychedelics. And I think that that's very important. The argument for the legalization of all drugs is connected with the argument for the legalization of marijuana.

 

[psychomimetic]

Lol hard at this topic(well, more at it's responses)

Enacting a decriminalization law or a legalization law is certainly not the answer. We need to abolish the current laws, NOT enact more laws which will only make the 'US Legal System' even more confusing.8(

State governments can't abolish federal laws.

Some scheme for how marijuana sales are to be regulated and taxed is necessary, which was the point of prop 19.

 

[delta_9]

State governments can't abolish federal laws.

I never said they could. Of course this powder likely belongs to congress.

And while I certainly did not read Prop 19, there are plenty of posts here mentioning and advocating decrimilization and/or legalization laws, which is where my post was directed.

 

[whataboutheforests]

psychomimetic - I'm just a pessimist. How can you be so sure that some of those things will happen?

I was trying to compare 'greedy growers' to the people who would replace them...what makes them any different?

I have never seen or heard of someone getting laced weed where i live. I know it's happened on occassion, i dont know if you could describe it as 'often' though

And I was merely saying 'drugs' is a really broad category, each drug needs its own separate argument for legalization i think. ANd I would love to see shrooms and lsd legalized :D

 

[psychomimetic]

psychomimetic - I'm just a pessimist. How can you be so sure that some of those things will happen?

I was trying to compare 'greedy growers' to the people who would replace them...what makes them any different?

I have never seen or heard of someone getting laced weed where i live. I know it's happened on occassion, i dont know if you could describe it as 'often' though

And I was merely saying 'drugs' is a really broad category, each drug needs its own separate argument for legalization i think. ANd I would love to see shrooms and lsd legalized :D

I guess I can't be sure that all of those things will happen. Here's a brief basis of the ideas I said, just to show that most of them aren't simple assumptions-

I'm basing info on price on studies that have been done. Also the fact that if weed is legal it will cut the costs of production greatly.

The thing about growing and smoking without fear is pretty obvious, as is my point about the prison population, and I personally find those three arguments to be the most compelling.

Laced weed wouldn't happen because there would be regulation. And yeah, laced weed isn't really common in the US (although grit weed is very, very common in some European countries), but it does happen. You would also be able to buy organically grown weed instead of shit sprayed with pesticides and whatnot.

Also, depending on the level of regulation, it would perhaps (pure speculation here) become illegal for dispensaries to mislabel strains as you said they do. Just like an alcohol producer can't make vodka and sell it as rum.

I know that it would open up space for marijuana to be studied because there is a fair amount of interest in studying marijuana and its constituents but the government will rarely allow such studies to be conducted, especially on humans.

It would boost the economy by allowing the government to tax California's #1 cash crop.

And I think it would decrease social stigma because there's a lot of stigma around illegal drugs. Not that there's much social stigma around marijuana in the younger generations in California anyway.

The government wouldn't replace the growers. In fact, it would still be the same people growing, and also other people and companies would probably start growing. The government wouldn't be growing weed for sale, they'd just be regulating it. I also trust the government a great deal more then I trust private interests, although they are fairly inseparable in America and I don't trust or like either one of them.

Drugs is indeed a broad category, but I think an argument can be made for drugs being legalized generally. Several can actually, although arguing for each individual drug to be legalized is probably more compelling to most people. But I believe that getting high is a basic human right and the government has no right telling people whether or not they can take drugs. I also think that it can be demonstrated factually that prohibition doesn't lower drug use and has many more negatives then positives. But you're probably right that legalization of drugs is too broad. Perhaps if I said legalization of all psychoactive and recreational drugs I would be representing my stance on it more accurately. Still broad, but not so broad as to include a number of poisons that probably should not be available to most people.