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Question about my future

Clusterone666

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So i'm not sure if this is the right board or not, but if it isn't could a mod please move this into the right one?
Thanks :)
Now onto my question.
I have been extremely interested in psychedelics and the way they work with our mind and thoughts, feelings, lives, concious, and all that, and since i dropped acid for my first time, i've wanted to be a scientist that works with psychedelics. How would I get into this field? What would I have to do? (i'm 17 and going to college next year so what classes and all that) and what fields are there to do with psychedelic research? I am interested in all of them, even DXM (even though it's a dissociative) with my favorites being LSD (of course) DiPT, DMT, and some of the 2-C's and other's too that I have not gotten a chance to experience.

I would love to be able to do this for my future as a career and hopefully get somewhere in it.
Thank you for the replies if there are any :)
 
i've wanted to be a scientist that works with psychedelics. How would I get into this field? What would I have to do?

A. Use Google.

... but more importantly ...

(i'm 17 and going to college next year so what classes and all that)

B. You probably shouldn't have just announced to the entire board that you are 17, and have been registered here since you were 15.
 
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Take courses related to neuroscience and biochemistry. There's a class at my uni called 'behavioral pharmacology' that basically devotes half the semester to psychedelics.

You could also look up the people in Nichols' research group and find out what they studied.
 
Cognitive neuroscience is where the cool kids are.

But seriously do some research on places like the Beckly foundation, TPDF, CCEL or MAPS and the qualifications of people who are currently working in 'Psychedelic Research'. The internet has a wealth of information to get you started.

If you follow your passions no doubt you will end up somewhere interesting!
 
A word of advice though. Counter-intuitive it may seem keeping your head down and remaining the 'stealth psychedelic researcher' through your undergraduate study years could be very advantageous. Because of a certain taboo that exists with psychedelics there is a general moral objection to anyone discussing such matters who is not qualified to do so!
 
Why don't you try psychiatry first?
You'll get an insight of the behavioral mechanism of a drug user.
Also you will get access to tons of meds and then probably study chemistry and get to work into a pharmaceutical company.
phew!
Good Luck! ;)
 
Thanks for all the information, and sorry i posted my age, I just said that so people knew where exactly I was at in life to help me out the best they can, but I found out something easier I could do, one of my counselers is looking for a college program i can take to help me get started in it, but he's having difficulty finding one to start me off in.
Charles - that actually sounds like a really good idea :) I may follow on that one, just out of curiousity to everyone though, being in this field requires math knowledge right? not just basic, like advanced math knowledge?
 
It may be different in Mexico but psychiatry is a form of postgraduate study. Generally you would start in a undergraduate psychology or medsci degree before moving into psychiatry. On the math side of things it depends where you want to end up but no doubt you will be tooled up on the way.

Just take a broad range of subjects in your undergraduate years as the majority of sciences have applications in the field of psychedelic research.
 
^^ This is true. However if you want to attribute anything to society it defiantly helps to have a qualification to back yourself so you don't just come across as a drugged up hippie.

Perhaps a drugged up hippie with a degree :D People seem to have more respect for the later.
 
You'll probably go wild abusing drugs in college with the much greater freedom and eventually die from an overdose.

I started salvia when I lived at home. got a good vicodin prescription just before I went to college. Abused the fuck out of it when I was there. Then I started buying things like kratom and various RCs. Got some more pill prescriptions. swallowed more valium than I can remember (not that hard to do, though). Then real sleeping pills and amphetamines.

then opiates galore.

then methadone
then suboxone
then back to methadone
back to suboxone
back to methadone
back to suboxone
two days on methadone
back to suboxone

and now I'm still on suboxone but cutting down.

Still play with various research chemicals at times, but very selectively and with the actual intent of learning something in the process, which is quite a change. I don't take anything that has much study, which has hazards and benefits.

it's easy to become an addict and with freedom comes stupid choices.

in the end you're going to die.
 
from here http://www.maps.org/resources/students/

straight from the man himself.

By David E. Nichols, PhD President, Heffter Research Institute

Stated succinctly, you have two broad options: Medicine and Science. Under Medicine, I continue to believe that physicians with a psychiatry residency and research experience will make the greatest contributions to the field of psychedelics. This is a long and difficult row to hoe, however, and few choose it. But this option allows you ultimately to work with humans, where the results are most dramatic and have the greatest impact. Rats cannot tell you if they see the white light!

Under Science, you again have two broad options: Pharmacology and Chemistry (loosely defined). In pharmacology, one might study the behavioral effects (usually in rats) or the neurochemical effects of substances. You could choose a whole animal behavioral approach (e.g. in Dr. Mark Geyer’s lab at UC-San Diego), a systems/neuronal approach (Dr. George Aghajanian at Yale who does unit cell recording... tedious but interesting), or a more molecular approach (e.g. Dr. Elaine Sanders-Bush at Vanderbilt or Dr. Bryan Roth at Case- Western Reserve) that would involve the expression of receptors, structure of receptors, etc. I do some behavioral work at Purdue, but we use behavior more as a screen to guide our chemistry.

In chemistry, my lab at Purdue is, I would argue, the major place (but perhaps I have a bias!). Dr. Richard Glennon at Virginia Commonwealth has done a lot of chemistry of psychedelics but more recently has focused on some other areas. Despite the romance and popularity that attend to natural drugs and herbal remedies, there is no academic department I know of that focuses on the ethno-pharmacology of psychoactive drugs or psychedelics. There is a big natural–products group at the University of Illinois at Chicago, but they are mostly working on anticancer drugs (as, in fact, are most natural–products groups these days).

Getting into this field is extremely difficult and requires a lot of patience. You are swimming upstream because there is no recognized value to these substances at government funding agencies except as drugs of abuse. You have to find some niche to get funded. It is very hard, even for one with a respectable and already-established track record.
You can, however, enter this research with a Ph.D. that has nothing to do with psychedelics at all. My own son just completed a Ph.D. in drosophila genetics. He is now going to do a postdoctoral fellowship in a laboratory studying the molecular regulation of the 5-HT2A receptor, the site with which psychedelics seem to interact. This will take another two to three years. Although I have no idea what he will do after that, he would have the training to enter an academic path and then to study the molecular biology of any brain receptors he chose, including perhaps continuing work on the 5-HT2A receptor. Thus, he could end up doing research on psychedelics, even though he started out with fruit fly genetics.

I think one must have dedication, and motivation must be very strong to begin study for an advanced degree with the ultimate objective of doing psychedelic research. I have had three students who came here with the idea they would work in this area, and none of them have. One is now doing DNA sequencing work, another is a computational chemist, and the third became disillusioned with academic life at a small private college and went into professional pharmacy. Some begin with curiosity as a result of personal experience, but quickly lose interest, get married, have families and revert to more "normal" pursuits once the luster wears off.

You will also find you have no real colleagues. If you were in cancer or HIV research, or were working on the human genome project, for example, you would be part of a large science community, with many colleagues of similar interest. If you do psychedelic research, and that is all you do (I have some other more mainstream research in addition to the psychedelic work), you have perhaps half–a–dozen people world-wide who share your research interests. Perhaps not surprisingly, you may develop a sort of cult following, but that kind of adoration is not particularly fulfilling. People occasionally tell me that my name is known all over the world in the "psychedelic community." While that may be true, it doesn’t get recognition within the scientific community, which is my workplace, comprised of my peers. What you want is recognition from them that you are doing good work. You are unlikely to get it, so your rewards must come from within yourself, and you must believe that someday the value of your work will become clear to other people, because that is unlikely to occur in your own lifetime. It will help if you are the sort of person who can deal easily with delayed gratification.

I know I have painted a fairly unglamorous picture. I have done that because those who begin graduate school with the idea that psychedelic research will be glamorous and fun burn out quickly. You’re simply not going to get the strokes you’d get if you did more mainstream work. If you have long–term vision and believe in what you are doing, it has its rewards. I love my work. My graduate students and I have a lot of fun together. But sometimes it is lonely. I hope that someday things will turn around and someone will be grateful that I did what I did. But I think it takes a particular kind of stoic personality to survive much adversity on the strength of that kind of belief!

If you choose that path, then you are fully informed and you will not be disappointed later when you start encountering the expected obstacles.

-David E. Nichols Ph.D. President, Heffter Research Institute [email protected]

This passage taken from the Readers Forum section of the Autumn 1997 Issue of the MAPS Bulletin
 
I entered college with the intent of studying chemistry in hopes of it somehow leading to psychedelic research. I soon realized this path required much more focus and dedication that I had, so now I'm studying art and sustainable agriculture. What a change huh? But both interests I can partially attribute to psychedelics, and I'm happy with my choice. Everyone's on their own path, and if you decide to take this path realize that it will take A LOT of dedication! Good luck if you do pursue it.
 
i think the specific field would be psychopharmacology.

there are a number of different paths you can take, depending on what you want to do. you could do medicine, go into research, or several other fields.

given your age, i think you have a long time to think that through. as for general preparation, some majors or fields you should consider are chemistry, biochemistry, bioengineering, neuroscience, cognitive science, computer science.

it really depends on your school and your interests. while psychedelics might be interesting to you now, you may think differently after a couple years of college once you start thinking about careers. recreational drugs don't have much value to pharma or even medicine right now.

personally (as a computer science/ai major), i got to do a lot of interesting work with brain chemistry and even took some classes on psychedelics and the brain.
 
psychedelics are fucking stupid. they are the only drug on the PLANET that truly deceives the user to thinking its good for you.
 
but I found out something easier I could do, one of my counselers is looking for a college program i can take to help me get started in it, but he's having difficulty finding one to start me off in.

how's your GPA? At Cornell University you can literally study anything you want to study. My friend's dad had a faculty committee composed of the chemist Roald Hoffman (Nobel laureate and co-discoverer of the Woodward-Hoffmann rules for cycloaddition), the astronomer Carl Sagan and the poet A.R. Ammons. Dude got his PhD in something eclectic and he'd be up to some good shit nowadays except his skull is no longer intact (motorcycle).

Do not fear math except as someone fears a deity.
 
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