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Misc Quercetin

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Hello. I am on day 5 of my Quercetin experiment. It's supposed to be really good for you in many areas, including potentiating my Methadone. I'm on 10mg x 4 times a day of Methadone. Still in a lot of pain but thats another story. Does anyone have any experience with Quercetin? Im also on Zoloft and Gabapentin. I feel ok but nothing much yet. I take 500mg of Quercetin a day. Any ides or advice would be appreciated. Not much in the search for it and I do not have the time to look thru all these threads. Thanks out there to ya'll!!
 
Zoloft is an SSRI and quercetin has been shown to be an MAOI so you are putting yourself in a very dangerous position at risk of serotonin toxicity. I would stop taking it immediatly and if you want to potentiate your methadone high check out this thread and look for other things that will inhibit CYP2D6 and CYP3A4 (besides the methadone and sertraline which already do this).
 
Wow, I had no idea. Thank you so much. Thats why I love this site. I feel ok so I havent taken one today. You might have saved my life. Ill look at the thread you suggested. Thanks again allegator!!
 
Man, I must be stupid but I cannot understand that table in the thread that was suggested.Can anyone explain the interaction chart to me? Thanks!!
 
When foreign chemicals are present in your blood stream, your body needs to expell them. Depending on their chemical make-up some of them can just be removed right away (like d-amp some of which comes out in your urine the exact same as it went in) however others first need to be metabolized (broken down or otherwise changed) to be removed.

Different chemicals are metabolized in different ways and even the same compound might have different metabolic paths (changes it undergoes) to leave your system. These chemical changes are caused by enzymes. In order to extend the effect of a certain chemical, you want to prevent the chemical (or its active metabolite if a pro-drug) from being metabolized. A very common first step of metabolization is oxidation via a group of enzymes known as the CYP [Cytochrome P450] family. That chart lists different enyzmes in the family (e.g. cyp2d6, cyp3a4), what substances they metabolize (substrates), what substances cause them to metabolize better (inducers), and what substance cause them to metabolize worse (inhibitors).

To properly use the chart you have to understand the metabolic pathway of the substrate and what the enzymes are actually metabolizing it into. For example CYP2D6 converts hydrocodone into hydromorphone which is more powerful and generally desirable so you would want to induce it (while inhibiting CYP3A4 that converts hydrocodone to norhydrocodone). However oxycodone is already much stronger in its ownright and CYP2D6 will remove it so you would want to inhibit it to get a better high. Other substances like morphine don't undergo primary metabolizism via CYP (instead starting with a phase II metabolic reaction like glucuronidation).
 
I see. Very helpful. So, the list of substrates that are in ittalics are the ones to look for, right? I didnt get that part at all. Is it just the ittalic meds or ALL of the substrates in that list. Inducers good, Inhibitors, bad. Got it. I cant look at it from my computer I'm on now. Could you please use the table to give me some do's and dont's for methadone? I wont be able to look at the list again till tomorrow. Thanks for helping me allegator. You're a lifesaver!!
 
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