Quantum Mechanics, Power of thought, Reality- Truly amazing

[lazyvegan]

There are so many things that people can do because they believe they can, which does not fit with a traditionally scientific view of “reality”. How can you explain how some martial artists can break bricks with their hands? Doctors will tell you they should break their hands on the bricks

the martai arts thing being pretty dear to my heart, i know it's really no biggie. and most doctors would actually agree. the human body/mind combo is quite the machine. download a torrent of national geographics "Fight Science" documentery to see the neato scientific studies they've done regarding martial arts and breaking power, ect.

 

[Surge23]

Many people will remember the general begining in Genesis "In the beginning was the word.." - word up

First there is infinit potent-ial energy curled up in what appears to be "empty space", pure consciousness without an object, the subjective realm. Because there must be a "thing" since the very fact of non existance implies existance, the process of creation follows from "there", which is like an everywhere and nowhere simultaneously. Creation starts with a vibration exponentially building upon itself, a living process which is essentially linguistic since each "part" has to communicate and stays connected from source on outward to be able to build and complexify in the first place. So you inevitably get different greater forms going, since the electromagnetic (note: mag-ic'K') charge of the variables in creation are all different frequencies do to their own phenotypal make-up if you will (note: will-power), you eventually get more complex animated (note: animals) life-forms spawning and reproducing off of the codes handed down to each succeeding generation (note: generating), then somewhere down the line (note: D.N.A.) you eventually get consciousness aware of itself and able to manipulate the creational process further by focused awareness or attention (note: A tension, pay attention to), it gets so complex then that it uses a symbolic language since there is so much data now to be put to use that it is the only way in attempt to assure a more successful rate of growth potential and informational (note: in form) transfer to guide the process along to higher levels and manage the already very complex and growing organization (note: organs, organic, organism) at these stages of development, since we do die like leaves off of a tree and this has to continue binding/conserving itself further. So thoughts do create reality from the get-go and there is a fundamental process to it all which is guided by our will to do, be and have. We have merely fell asleep and forgotten the role we play, now people are starting to wake up, reconnecting with our source after being put under the spell (note: spelling) of a language gone haywire (viral mechanical reactionary sub/un-conscious status) creating a falser and falser world around us covering our third eyes gradually from the truth (note: The Matrix), we are destroying ourselves and our world right in front of us, this is but a challenge at this stage just like any challenge at any level of complexification to be overcome so life can perpetuate its evolution to even higher states of being, like it always does, it will assess itself, cut its losses integrate and elevate itself to higher ground, it has invested in this gamble and even if it has to kill some of itself to go on, it will (note: dinosaurs for example), it has come a long way. But nothing is ever really gone since it is all a part in the ever growing mind and death is an illusion, just a cycling process of cellular regeneration for the whole. My bad, kinda strayed off there but, yes, your brain is a reality generating vehicle of creation (The Uni(Singular)-'Verse'... as in language you know[?].) I think I basically covered the gyst of it.. or something, even though there is much more, I apologize ahead of time if I missed anything or whatever.

 

[Surge23]

the human body/mind combo is quite the machine.

By the way, true that, things like what martial artists have accomplished are phenomal

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

First of all, the movie. I rented the DVD knowing nothing about it, because it looked intriguing. Oh, and I was fried. The glitzy special effects got my bullshit sensors tingling, and something I couldn't quite put my finger on made me say, 'these folks have some ulterior motive'.

Nevertheless GreenGlob, I do agree that the basic premises of the movie are worth exploring:
1) Could we only be seeing a small fraction of what's there in front of us?
2) Do our minds influence our reality?

As for number two, I'd say absolutely. But not in the way the film makes it out to be. Each one of us interfaces with the outside world the way the dark yin presses against the light yang, the way the opaque goo presses against the transparent water in a lava lamp. When one moves it pushes the other, capeesh? How you think has a big influence on how the outer world is able to push against you, and how you are able to push against the outer world. There ya go: MDAO's physics-free way to transcend the 'this world is a crappy cruel place' rut.

As for number one, I'd say yes, it's very possible that what we see, even with the highest tools of modern science, is like one big shadow play -- only a bit of all that's really there and all that's really at work. It is possible, even, that there are as yet undsicovered components of the human mind which can work long-range on matter in ways we haven't come to understand. This is just one example, because you mentioned it. Others exist. Grented when making a speculation like this, quantum physics can be a good example of how much mystery there still is concerning the ultimate nature of matter and existence. BUT THAT'S ALL. Science is faaaaaaar from any conclusive answers on this. Quantum mechanics, as is stands now, is just a hint. And even this infant bit of science is daunting even for a seasoned scientist like AlphaNumeric. Pretty damn humbling to all us humans, when you think about it.

In light of that, any attempts to use QP to piece together grand swooping answers to all of life's metaphysical problems ought to be taken with a grain of cosmic dust. It's WAY too early to jump to conclusions. Or to pull out your checkbook for Ramtha.

 

[complexPHILOSOPHY]

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the discussion, but I fail to understand how the wave/particle duality represents the possibility of 'things being there that we can't observe.' As far as I can understand about what the double-slit experiment conveys to us, is that on a fundamental level there is a Quantum Vacuum (QFT - Quantum Field Theory) which contains all of the potentiality in the universe and from which, the 'holographic' properties of the universe emerge.

It is interpreted this way because the Vacuum State is a quantum state with the lowest possible energy level. It can be conceptually referred to as a 'zero-point' field because in this space, there exist no physical particle (only waves of potential).

In the double-slit experiment, they fired photon's at two types of detectors: when two particle detectors were placed behind Slit A and Slit B, they detected particles going through either Slit A OR Slit B. This is important, because a particle is a fixed point in space-time and is an actualized quantum entity. However, when they placed a screen behind the two slits and fired photon's through Slit A and Slit B, they detected an interference pattern on the background (which indicates that two waves went through both slit's and then interacted with each other). This is important to understand, because it tells us that when we seek to measure a particle, a particle appears and either goes through A or B. However, when we measure waves, the particles disappear and waves now go through both A and B.

This gives us our current, best understanding of the universe (aside from gravity, which general relativity explains to the decimal point but QM is trying to explain) and gives way for QET (Quantum Electrodynamics - The Electroweak Force or The Electromagnetic Force and the Weak Force), QCD (Quantum Chromodynamics - The Color Force or Strong Nuclear Force). These are all intrinsic to Quantum Field Theory.

What this does tell us, is that we can no longer reduce complex macroscopic systems into fundamental microscopic particles and then explain the macroscopic systems in terms of possessing the characteristics of the microscopic particles. We must instead, view complex systems as emergent systems, possessing emergent properties not present in the system or level before it.

These are some of the fundamental questions that Quantum Mechanics is trying to answer:

- How come, when we seek to measure a particles momentum, we fix its position and when we measure its position, we fix its momentum?
- Why does the simple act of detection, collapse the wave function into a particle?
- Why do quantum entities demonstrate a double-aspect appearance (waves of potential and at the same time, particles of actualization)?
- Why does nonlocality appear to exist (particles can interact instantaneously as though space was nonexistent)?
- What exactly 'exists' in the Quantum Vaccum (If that is even the proper question to ask)?
- Do we need to adopt a new way of thinking, since we can no longer reduce things to either/or?

High Energy Particle physics has given us our understanding of the particles which do make up our material universe (and some of the emergent forces), however, as we have detected neutrino's, positron's, pi-meson's, hadron's, lepton's (tau/mu), etc. which all fit into the current Standard Model of quantum mechanics. It gives foundation for things like GUT's (Grand Unified Theories) of matter and the potential for inflationary theory, etc.

We must divert from the reductionist view of the universe, that Newtonian classical physics presented. We can no longer accurately describe our universe as a few forces acting upon industructible constintuents of matter, organized into complex patterns called atom's. Instead, we must embrace the indeterminate paradigm that has emerged from the theory of quantum mechanics.

Then again, I have yet to take a physics class and this is my own subjective understanding of modern physics, so hopefully, Zorn and Alpha can give a better description.

 

[snakeeyes]

i'll make this short and sweet since everyone here seems to be on the fly or flying high...
anyway.

The ULTIMATE TRUE REALITY! Want to know the secret? I'll tell you fro free and save you from watching the mind control TV.

REady!? k. Reality is a illusion' in the words of einstein'. The world you live in and the world i live in is all based off individual perspective. 2. Every fact started out as a theory which was agreed upon over a few decades to be a truth and factual. All things being relative to your free will and choosing, you can freely choose not to believe anything or believe everything, in closing, reality -truth-knowledge of the ages is all up to what you choose to believe, which means putting faith in something even if it's nothing.

 

[TheGreeenGlob]

Reality is a illusion' in the words of einstein'. The world you live in and the world i live in is all based off individual perspective. 2. Every fact started out as a theory which was agreed upon over a few decades to be a truth and factual. All things being relative to your free will and choosing, you can freely choose not to believe anything or believe everything, in closing, reality -truth-knowledge of the ages is all up to what you choose to believe, which means putting faith in something even if it's nothing.

This is exactly what I have been saying. "Reality" as most people think about it doesn't exist. There is no one set reality, events in life occur and each person interrupts them different and as a result has a different "reality". Why else do you think people would have such drastically different views on what is right and what is wrong, what is truth and what is nonsense. It's everyone's experiences, and beliefs that determine the "reality" that they will experience. I believe our subconscious beliefs and ideas about what reality should be make us react to events certain ways, look for different things, and take different opportunities. You notice how some people are always in a good mood, and so optimistic no matter what. Even if something you would consider “bad” happens to them they don’t get upset. It’s because whatever happened wasn’t “bad” it was just you’re mind’s interpretation of that events that made it “bad”, because to the optimistic person it wasn’t bad at all. Our brain doesn’t like change and therefore if you are always thinking bad things about yourself, or think that everything bad always happens to you, then you will interrupt events that happen to you as bad and upsetting, and subconsciously choose different opportunities to fit to your subconscious expectations. Not just that this idea, but human biology will always show you how always thinking negatively is bad for you. Every emotion we experience is because of little chemical reactions. These strands of chemicals I believe are called peptides. They basically fit into your cells like a key fits into a lock, each emotion is a different key. But if you always use the negative emotions to react to events in your life, eventually over time, when the cells divide, the new cells will not be accepting of other peptides(emotions), and therefore you will always feel these negative emotions. The opposite it true though so if you always view things positively then when your cells divide and create new cells they will made so you will only experience positive emotions for the most part.

Since i have learned of this, i have been trying very hard to influence my "reality". I knew in time i would see a positive change but i did not expect it to come so quickly. The past 2 weeks of my life have been some of the most amazing weeks I’ve ever had. I have been using a technique by Dane Spots called Visionaring(sp?), as well as a lot of meditation. Which is basically a technique to change you’re subconscious expectations and beliefs about the world into whatever you want them to be. And it is our subconscious expectations and beliefs that determine the reality we experience by interrupting events the ways it expects they to be. If you subconsciously expect to be happy and successful then that is the way you will interrupt the world and makes different decisions, and take different opportunities. It has been working great and keeping me in a great mood at all time. Someone might argue "nothing has changed it's all in your mind", but then i would say, "so is the reality you experience". Even if my newfound happiness and positive attitude is "all in my mind" who cares because that doesn't change the fact that I am happier then ever, more goal orientated, and have much more of an appreciation and a zest for life. I have influenced my reality in all aspects of my life including school, friends, relationships, working out, and most of all my happiness and my respect for the power of thought. A lot of people probably won’t believe me but I’m ok with that. Many times throughout history the majority of people have believed something to be an unarguable fact, but yet later down the road everyone realized how wrong they were. Ex: World is flat, Earth is center on universe, etc. I know that i will continue to see positive changes in my life and the ability to change my perceptions, and therefore my reality, will become stronger and stronger with more practice because i am strengthen those neural pathways. That is why practicing anything at all will make you better. The more times you do something the more it strengthens the neural pathways for that certain task. It could be sports, attitudes, etc. That is the reason i started this thread because I’d love for all bluelighters, as well as everyone else, to be able to be as happy as they want to be and achieve all the thing they want to achieve. I believe the key to having a happy life is meditating, learning to change your beliefs and perceptions to only positive ones, and living life in the moment. Too much stress is put on dwelling on past events or planning for future ones. Planning for the future is important but it can't consume you or you will never get to truly enjoy the present.

Ps. I have come to this conclusion after a lot of research and development. A lot of reading different peoples opinions, theories on life, theories on reality, theories on how the world work, etc, taking philosophy classes, and many lessons I have learned from tripping in nature and meditation. Even if I had all week to try to explain it, I wouldn’t be able to. There is so much information I have read/thought about to come to this I could never type it all out or be able to convey it correctly. Language it’s self is very restrictive and written language is even more because you all can’t truly know how I am “meaning” any of the things I say or be able to ask me how I came to this conclusion while I’m explaining it. If we all were to sit down face to face I think I would have a much better chance of hopefully explaining exactly how I came to this realization. Basically what I am trying to say is I didn’t just sit up one day and decide this is what is true/real. I took years to get to the point where I’m out now so to dismiss me so quickly without thinking into it more might not be the best idea.

 

[Surge23]

There is an unfolding pattern so no matter if you say an orange is an apple in "your" reality it's still an orange so to speak. There is a divine order or will if you will.. a natural hiearchy so "it's your reality and that's that reality" doesn't mean a free for all, we don't dissipitate into "thin air" when we have unconscious sleep, there's a fine line which I feel tends to get blurred and I think it's that our perspective which we guide our decision/choice making processes based on individual insperience/experience do influence our reality is what people refer to as different realities just as real as foundational reality, so to speak, I disagree, in my view just because a radio has different stations doesn't not make it other than a radio. But, yes it's all about perspective also, and to each their own of course. Oh and nothing "really" exists anyway so.. yes so called reality is an illusion, with many illusiory levels we have have never and will never be aware of but so even ultimate is never ultimate but you know, english, modern language also works virally which is a big part of the problem as I see it.. it tends to create walls from directly overstanding the truth of the reality of now as opposed to its initial design. And as far as the notion of having everything positive is like a flying into the sun. I think it's about strengthening, using our will-power intelligently (harmony) along with the great design reflected from within and throughout which we are only but small parts, i.e.- we are a microcosm of the Universe (Uni) so we should continue the great work of becoming more aware how and just what that means to us as individuals, and like in that movie "The Secret" (Bullshit title but..), painting girls to hang in your room so you get more game is weak to use our innate powers for but it's still applying the knowledge of the law of attraction.. whoop dee dee.. Billions of years in evolution so we could score, I'm sure that's just what the greater hiearchical processes killed the dinosaurs for and couldn't wait to finally be able to manifest, a shmorgusboard of mindless self indulgence for sheep who just found out the earth isn't flat, even though we have always been creating reality. P.S. - I know it's a process but some of the shit around us has just gotta go, so we could exhale a sigh of relief as a planet and continue to greater challenges once this one is (I'm being optimistic here) overstood and worked out (not necessarily "peace" - fully), I mean that in the best way. Because we have way too much on one side of the scales throwing everything else off balance and being only positive is only an imbalanced perspective in the opposite direction, "every action has an equal and opposite reaction".

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

complexPHILOSOPHY, thank you. That was a very informative intro to QM -- much more easy to understand that wikipedia's article on it

To me, this is the most intriguing question:

- What exactly 'exists' in the Quantum Vaccum (If that is even the proper question to ask)?

It would be amazing to discover that this so-called vaccuum is actually filled with something, or a plethora of different things, which have a major bearing on how those things we DO perceive now behave. That's kind of what I was getting at when I compared reality as we see it to a shadow play behind a translucent screen.

 

[complexPHILOSOPHY]

Every emotion we experience is because of little chemical reactions. These strands of chemicals I believe are called peptides. They basically fit into your cells like a key fits into a lock, each emotion is a different key.

I am fairly certain that our brains are composed of 10% neurons and 90% glial cells. I am also fairly certain that neuron's through out the body, 'encode' electrobiochemical messages which are transmitted or fired from the synapse of one neuron (the area which encompasses the axon, synaptic cleft and axon terminals) to the dendrites of another neuron. Whether or not local or nonlocal groups of neurons fire in patterns, I do not know. Although I am not an expert in bio/organic chemistry, I believe that peptides are involved in 'peptide synthesis' which is involved in the formation of amino acid's and proteins.

I have never heard of anything which described emotions as 'chemical reactions between peptides'. In fact, that would make neuroscience a lot easier.

complexPHILOSOPHY, thank you. That was a very informative intro to QM -- much more easy to understand that wikipedia's article on it

To me, this is the most intriguing question:


It would be amazing to discover that this so-called vaccuum is actually filled with something, or a plethora of different things, which have a major bearing on how those things we DO perceive now behave. That's kind of what I was getting at when I compared reality as we see it to a shadow play behind a translucent screen.

Well, this vacuum can be thought of as a 'pool of energy' filling the entire universe which is invisible in the same way the water in a transparent pond is. In order to see the water, you throw a stone in and waves ripple out. This is exactly how we 'view' the quantum vacuum, we perturb it using high energy magnetic fields. At this level, no physical matter exists, however, virtual particles and antiparticles appear and annihilate in plank time.

It's not as if there is some special, anything goes realm existing beneath us. I have only read one valid theory which describes consciousness having a direct effect on the collapsing of the wave function, however, this implies that consciousness is not physical. This theory hasn't been received well scientifically not only because it takes a Dualist approach but also because PHYSICAL things like particle detectors also collapse the wave function.

If your mind is capable of distorting matter, space-time and energy, I would like to see it happen. Quantum Field Theory describes the interactions of elementary particles through the use of mathematically described fields. Quantum Mechanics doesn't deal with mental manipulation of reality, it deals with Symmetries, Harmonic Oscillators, Perturbation Theory, Casimir Effect, The Poincare Group, SU[5], etc.

It's a highly mathematical science and I think all of us (especially me considering I don't know shit about mathematics), draw conclusions about the implications of QM, because we can grasp some basic concepts. While QM does invoke ontological status between waves and particles, it doesn't necessarily invoke mysticism. QM embodies the philosophy of Holism, the antithesis of atomism.

AlphaNumeric and Zorn would be MUCH better at explaining this since they are doing high energy physics PhD's. I hope to do high energy physics eventually but I still have to get through my first year of college and stop doing so many drugs. 333

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

While QM does invoke ontological status between waves and particles, it doesn't necessarily invoke mysticism.

Well, except for the fundamental interconnectedness of all. We're all ripples in the same immense cloth.

Seriously though, I think the triumph of holism of reductionism is fucking awesome. Reason for celebration, even. This is the primary thing I think of when I read things like, "Science has just stumbled upon what ancient mystics have known for centuries."

 

[PGTips]

It's a highly mathematical science and I think all of us (especially me considering I don't know shit about mathematics), draw conclusions about the implications of QM, because we can grasp some basic concepts.

Feynman diagrams do a truely amazing way of dealing with these vacuum elements. You don't even need to know any maths to understand what they are saying (though to actually compute anything you need a big dollop of maths!).

You can consider the vacuum as just all disconnected Feynman diagrams (ie no particles in or out) and, thankfully, it seperates perfectly from diagrams you can to compute. This is the reason quantum field theory doesn't use a 'clean vacuum' where there's nothing in it, but actually a 'vacuum bubble' vacuum which is the sum of all disconnected diagrams.

Of course if you take this literally, it means the energy of the vacuum is infinite, which is a kick in the shorts when it comes to computing anything. Hence why all of quantum field theory is about the difference from the vacuum, be it particles or antiparticles.

Quantum Field Theory describes the interactions of elementary particles through the use of mathematically described fields. Quantum Mechanics doesn't deal with mental manipulation of reality, it deals with Symmetries, Harmonic Oscillators, Perturbation Theory, Casimir Effect, The Poincare Group, SU[5], etc.

I started learning supersymmetry this week. I have a feeling I'm going to hate the Poincare group before the month is out!

 

[complexPHILOSOPHY]

Feynman diagrams do a truely amazing way of dealing with these vacuum elements. You don't even need to know any maths to understand what they are saying (though to actually compute anything you need a big dollop of maths!).

You can consider the vacuum as just all disconnected Feynman diagrams (ie no particles in or out) and, thankfully, it seperates perfectly from diagrams you can to compute. This is the reason quantum field theory doesn't use a 'clean vacuum' where there's nothing in it, but actually a 'vacuum bubble' vacuum which is the sum of all disconnected diagrams.

Feynmann Diagrams and some reading helped give me an overal conceptual idea of the nature of quantum mechanics. I stare at mathematics all day long, wishing I could understand them.

I started learning supersymmetry this week. I have a feeling I'm going to hate the Poincare group before the month is out!

I am not even in college level Calculus yet, although I read about topology, set theory and other elegant and abstract mathematics, etc. I memorized the equations but I don't understand them.

Did you read about the crazy russian dude that supposidly solved the Poincare Conjecture?

How crazy is Supersymmetry?

 

[TheGreeenGlob]

I am fairly certain that our brains are composed of 10% neurons and 90% glial cells. I am also fairly certain that neuron's through out the body, 'encode' electrobiochemical messages which are transmitted or fired from the synapse of one neuron (the area which encompasses the axon, synaptic cleft and axon terminals) to the dendrites of another neuron. Whether or not local or nonlocal groups of neurons fire in patterns, I do not know. Although I am not an expert in bio/organic chemistry, I believe that peptides are involved in 'peptide synthesis' which is involved in the formation of amino acid's and proteins.

I have never heard of anything which described emotions as 'chemical reactions between peptides'. In fact, that would make neuroscience a lot easier.

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"This led to the discovery of peptides--the short chains of amino acids that act as chemical messengers--and peptide receptors. Pert found that emotions trigger the release of peptides, which then travel to receptors throughout the body. She calls peptides the molecules of emotion. "A feeling sparked in your mind will translate as a peptide being released somewhere," says Pert, now a neuropharmacologist at Georgetown University School of Medicine. "Peptides regulate every aspect of your body, from whether you're going to digest your food properly to whether you're going to destroy a tumor cell."

Peptide receptors, which are in the organs, endocrine muscle, and other body tissues, store emotional information received from the peptides. Therefore, emotional memories can be stored not only in the brain, but also in many places in the body. That would explain, for example, why people have "gut feelings" or why memories and emotions sometimes pop up during massage or acupuncture--because emotional memories "live" in the body's tissues, Pert says.

The discovery of peptides and peptide receptors offered, for the first time, tangible evidence of the actual physical exchange between mind and body and the biochemical basis of emotion--and confirmed what Eastern healers have long known intuitively. Also, while peptides and their receptors are located throughout the body, they're concentrated in the places that correspond to the chakras, the seven areas around the spine where, according to Eastern medicine, energy is gathered and then distributed to organs and tissues. "It blew me away when I realized this," Pert says.

When your body is in balance, peptides and receptors are able to do their jobs correctly, but when the body is thrown out of balance by intense emotions, the system works less effectively. For example, nervousness might cause a peptide miscommunication that would result in too much water being held in the intestines, and thus, diarrhea--a direct physical result of an emotional state."(From: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NAH/is_8_35/ai_n15979179)

There is plenty of information out there on peptides and how they are basically the way we experience emotions. This is just one site i found, if you want more information on how they work just type in peptides in google and lots of good information will come up

 

[complexPHILOSOPHY]

"This led to the discovery of peptides--the short chains of amino acids that act as chemical messengers--and peptide receptors. Pert found that emotions trigger the release of peptides, which then travel to receptors throughout the body. She calls peptides the molecules of emotion. "A feeling sparked in your mind will translate as a peptide being released somewhere," says Pert, now a neuropharmacologist at Georgetown University School of Medicine. "Peptides regulate every aspect of your body, from whether you're going to digest your food properly to whether you're going to destroy a tumor cell."

Peptide receptors, which are in the organs, endocrine muscle, and other body tissues, store emotional information received from the peptides. Therefore, emotional memories can be stored not only in the brain, but also in many places in the body. That would explain, for example, why people have "gut feelings" or why memories and emotions sometimes pop up during massage or acupuncture--because emotional memories "live" in the body's tissues, Pert says.

The discovery of peptides and peptide receptors offered, for the first time, tangible evidence of the actual physical exchange between mind and body and the biochemical basis of emotion--and confirmed what Eastern healers have long known intuitively. Also, while peptides and their receptors are located throughout the body, they're concentrated in the places that correspond to the chakras, the seven areas around the spine where, according to Eastern medicine, energy is gathered and then distributed to organs and tissues. "It blew me away when I realized this," Pert says.

When your body is in balance, peptides and receptors are able to do their jobs correctly, but when the body is thrown out of balance by intense emotions, the system works less effectively. For example, nervousness might cause a peptide miscommunication that would result in too much water being held in the intestines, and thus, diarrhea--a direct physical result of an emotional state."(From: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NAH/is_8_35/ai_n15979179)

There is plenty of information out there on peptides and how they are basically the way we experience emotions. This is just one site i found, if you want more information on how they work just type in peptides in google and lots of good information will come up

There is nothing scientific to support your claims in this link. Can you find a research paper or website which discusses this conjecture empirically?

 

[TheGreeenGlob]

Here is some information on peptides:

http://www.unhooked.com/booktalk/molecules_of_emotion.htm

http://www.liveyourlight.com/mind/Listening.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polypeptide

http://www.answers.com/topic/peptide

 

[go-ee]

^
Haha dude, none of those are valid scientific links that backup what you are saying. You need to stop accepting what every nutter writes on the internet as truth.

 

[qwedsa]

I am fairly certain that our brains are composed of 10% neurons and 90% glial cells. I am also fairly certain that neuron's through out the body, 'encode' electrobiochemical messages which are transmitted or fired from the synapse of one neuron (the area which encompasses the axon, synaptic cleft and axon terminals) to the dendrites of another neuron. Whether or not local or nonlocal groups of neurons fire in patterns, I do not know. Although I am not an expert in bio/organic chemistry, I believe that peptides are involved in 'peptide synthesis' which is involved in the formation of amino acid's and proteins.

endorphins (like morphine) are neuropeptides, peptides are indeed involved in emotions (along with other molecules). there are peptides related to adrenaline, some to 5htp, some to gaba, and some to all the other main neurotransmitters

btw, the brain uses more than just neurotransmitters from neuron axon to neuron dendrite to communicate signals. it gets complex, signals can travel from dendrite to axon, they can be communicated by direct electrical current or neurotransmitters or peptides, and there is evidence that even glial cells take part in information processing

It would be amazing to discover that this so-called vaccuum is actually filled with something, or a plethora of different things, which have a major bearing on how those things we DO perceive now behave. That's kind of what I was getting at when I compared reality as we see it to a shadow play behind a translucent screen.

i'm convinced you're right, but perhaps the important part is not that the vaacuum is filled with stuff, but that there's alot more to the universe than this backround/cloth (something is behind it, giving rise to it, otherwise it would be existing for no reason at all)

We're all ripples in the same immense cloth.

isn't this true even in a classical physics sense?

 

[qwedsa]

In the double-slit experiment, they fired photon's at two types of detectors: when two particle detectors were placed behind Slit A and Slit B, they detected particles going through either Slit A OR Slit B. This is important, because a particle is a fixed point in space-time and is an actualized quantum entity. However, when they placed a screen behind the two slits and fired photon's through Slit A and Slit B, they detected an interference pattern on the background (which indicates that two waves went through both slit's and then interacted with each other). This is important to understand, because it tells us that when we seek to measure a particle, a particle appears and either goes through A or B. However, when we measure waves, the particles disappear and waves now go through both A and B.

This gives us our current, best understanding of the universe (aside from gravity, which general relativity explains to the decimal point but QM is trying to explain) and gives way for QET (Quantum Electrodynamics - The Electroweak Force or The Electromagnetic Force and the Weak Force), QCD (Quantum Chromodynamics - The Color Force or Strong Nuclear Force). These are all intrinsic to Quantum Field Theory.

What this does tell us, is that we can no longer reduce complex macroscopic systems into fundamental microscopic particles and then explain the macroscopic systems in terms of possessing the characteristics of the microscopic particles. We must instead, view complex systems as emergent systems, possessing emergent properties not present in the system or level before it.

sorry but i don't see it. i understand emergent syste.ms, but it's just viewing the same syst.em through a different lense. even with emergent properties, you could still predict all of the emergent properties of the emergent sys.tem (given its fundamental constituents and their behavior). so, the emergent sys.tem is still reducible to its contingent system

i also don't see what modern physics has elucidated in this area. we see emergent sys.tems in a classical physical sys.tem just as well as in a modern physical sys.tem (it's just that, since the quantum level is so much more exotic, we get neater and more numerous patterns arising from it)

sorry for the periods, bluelight sometimes doesn't accept my posts, i think it's the word 'syst.em'

 

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Did you read about the crazy russian dude that supposidly solved the Poincare Conjecture?

Yeah, I think you can find the paper on www.arxiv.org. Pretty impressive stuff and you can see why it wasn't developed immediately like all other cases was, it needed some very imaginative methods!

How crazy is Supersymmetry?

Zorn's doing a PhD in it (I'm finalising 'Flux compactification' as my area tomorrow ) so he's in a better position to know all the ins and outs of it, but the starting point is just knowing a ton of very fiddly, very annoying algebra to respresent all the systems, groups and symmetries. After that you can get into the good stuff (I imagine ) but initially it's like jogging through treacle trying to learn all the notation and base results.

At least there's humerous particle names like squark and slepton. :D