Quantum Mechanics, Power of thought, Reality- Truly amazing

[elemenohpee]

The brain is taking in so much info at once can only process so little. This means the brain would have to choose what to process instantly and it would choose only things it was familiar with, and what it's been taught and conditioned to process.

This is completely false. The first thing your brain does when it encounters something unfamiliar is to focus all your attention on it and try to figure out what it is.

 

[captainballs]

BL needs another forum. Maybe one called "science and technology."

 

[go-ee]

^^
Haha, I was going to suggest the same thing.

 

[lazyvegan]

i suggested that forum like 2 years ago....it would really be a great idea....if only all the stoner mods got on it already....

 

[michael]

it's been suggested about a billion times. as i have said previously, perhaps if you actually want that forum you should devote your time to posting threads about the subject rather than just wishing it would appear.

however just about no one has bothered to listen to that suggestion, because sitting around and doing nothing is much easier. i can tell you how serious about the idea that made me felt anyone was back when i was an admin.

i suspect that people will ignore my suggestion again. go figure.

 

[PGTips]

The movie(I’m not saying this is true or I that agree) argues that these Native Americans had no knowledge that ANY type of ship existed. And not enough information from past experience to put together a mental image of the ship. This concept could be possible

Then howcome when tribes in the middle of the rain forest first meet people from our civilisation, they can see things like wrist watches? Or mobile phones? Or radios?

If anything, those things are what they MOST notice precisely because they are totally alien to them. A box which speaks to you?! That's surely magic!

at means that our brains do not process 99% of what our eyes "see". Although the eyes “see”, the brain it what process the image and allowed the image to be formed. The brain is taking in so much info at once can only process so little. This means the brain would have to choose what to process instantly and it would choose only things it was familiar with, and what it's been taught and conditioned to process.

In evolutionary terms that's wrong. Ignoring new things to delude yourself with the familiar wouldn't be a very wise idea when you're struggling for survival.

Trying to understand new things as quickly as possible is precisely the mechanism you expect and when why babies and children are always fascinated by new things.

f you watch the video you would also see they go into a lot of human biology that is accurate.

Given biology isn't my thing, and knowing the amount of bullshit they throw in on the physics front, if I wished to learn some biology, it wouldn't be by watching that video.

 

[Puddito]

I have no idea about the accuracy of anything said in that film however i watched it all and it certainly made me think and evaluate things in a different way so in my mind it was a worthwhile experience irelevant of any scientific accuracy.

 

[TheGreeenGlob]

This is completely false. The first thing your brain does when it encounters something unfamiliar is to focus all your attention on it and try to figure out what it is.

I see what your saying but i don't think you comprehend that no matter how much our brain tries to focus on new information it can't possibly process even 1% of what our senses take in. Therefore things MUST be discarded from what we decided to process. Since the act of receiving 400 billion bits of information happens EVERY second, the brain has to immediately decided what to discard and has NO time what so ever to put it's energy towards trying to figure out things it has never processed, and it not conditioned to process.

400 billion bits of information about "reality" are received every second and we only process 2000 means we only process .000000005% of what our eyes, ears, nose etc take in, and this happens EVERY SECOND.

It would be impossible for our brain to spend the necessary time it would need to understand all of this other information. If it were to focus all its energy on all of that other information we wouldn't be able to do anything else but sit there and think. And think about how long it would take to process the other 99.999999995% of reality. It is not possible.

 

[PGTips]

We process WAY more than 2000 bits a second. Hell, that's not even the same amount of information in a picture on the internet. Does it take you 30 seconds to be able to see a big picture?! Of course not! We process millions, if not billions of bits a second through our eyes and ears, never mind the other sense you can't quantify in such an easy way.

Then we can process enormous amounts of information. Trillions of neural firing happen in our brains every second. Think how quickly you can recall a memory is someone says "What did you do for your last birthday?" "Remember that kid Bob from 3rd grade". Even high speed computers which can search at rates higher than Gb/s can't find a random bit of information that quickly.

Our brains are the most complex object in the known universe, they can wipe the floor with any computer for almost anything other than just recalling data perfectly (some people CAN beat computers in that) and number crunching power (again, some people can beat computers).

 

[TheGreeenGlob]

In evolutionary terms that's wrong. Ignoring new things to delude yourself with the familiar wouldn't be a very wise idea when you're struggling for survival.

Trying to understand new things as quickly as possible is precisely the mechanism you expect and when why babies and children are always fascinated by new things.

What i don't think your getting is it would not matter for our evolution since we are already the most powerful species on the planet. No other animal in the world can compete with us so there is no NEED to evolve much further then we have. There is no reason to compete. The real part of us, in my opinion, that is evolving is our consciousness. In the past 25 years or so it seems we are getting smarter at a rate never seen before.

Also it's not like we consciously decided to ignore these other bits on information. Our brains are simply just not capable of processing it all. There is nothing we can do about that. There is WAY too much for us to process our brains have to immediately decided what to discard. It's a proven fact that between ages 2 - 5 children are in a super learning process and can absorbed thing much much better and faster then adults. Once we pass that super learning period our brain's processing speed slows down considerably.

Do you really think humans are so developed that we can process all that is going on at all times, or if we tried we would have the ability to? I think that is being a little too confident of our ability.

And like I said I was creating this thread to discuss the amazing power of thought. There are so many things that people can do because they believe they can, which does not fit with a traditionally scientific view of “reality”. How can you explain how some martial artists can break bricks with their hands? Doctors will tell you they should break their hands on the bricks. Or how some martial artists can he stabbed with swords and instead of their skin being pierced, the sword bends. How about monks who can sit on top on a cold mountain and have a wet blanket put over their shoulders and just by using the power of thought, can dry the blanket. How about people who beat diseases that doctors say should absolutely 100% kill them and yet they believe so much that they can get better that they do. Or how about the power of placebo? People are given placebos for various reason and told they will feel something and just because they think they will, they do. How are these things possible?

 

[Surge23]

Just a "quick" note, humans have known about this knowledge and used these powers and abilities plus more for thousands of years, our whole civilization as a whole is based on these principles and founded on this and we have just been disconnected from that knowledge systematically (.), science is playing catch up and finally starting to catch up and still doesn't know many things people have known a reeeally long time ago (some have known since, hmmm), alot of science is just re-affirming what has been known, and the fact of even being able to have science in the first place couldn't have been done without that ancient wisdom and knowledge which was already in place (see occultism, shamanism, alchemy, Cathars, Hindu Kush, Mayan cosmology, Qabalah <-(originally from Egypt), Egyptian and other ancient mystery schools/ initiations/ magic(k), Masonic occultism and symbolism, etc., etc.. I could sit here for a reeeally long time making references but it's nothing new), what do you think all those symbols all around you are and mean, what does the stuff on a dollar bill mean ?, did someone say talisman ?, magic(k) for materializing reality even (!), reminds me of some yuppies I see who see this stuff and are like woooah haha we're so in the know yah.. no, you're newbies, (soda-pop) "culture is not your freind" (One of my fav McKenna quotes). Don't mean to "offend" anyone. (If you want to see video on google about these matters and others check some out Jordan Maxwell, Mysteries of Egypt, Terence McKenna, you could also check out websites like crystal-links, fusion anomaly, Deoxy.org etc.) ..my bad, had a "lil" rant there

 

[complexPHILOSOPHY]

How the eye recieves light:

1. The light rays enter the eye through the cornea (transparent front portion of eye to focus the light rays)
2. Then, light rays move through the pupil, which is surrounded by Iris to keep out extra light
3. Then, light rays move through the crystalline lens (Clear lens to further focus the light rays )
4. Then, light rays move through the vitreous humor (clear jelly like substance)
5. Then, light rays fall on the retina, which processes and converts incident light to neuron signals using special pigments in rod and cone cells.
6. These neuron signals are transmitted through the optic nerve,
7. Then, the neuron signals move through the visual pathway: Optic nerve → Optic Chiasm → Optic Tract → Optic Radiations → Cortex
8. Then, the neuron signals reach the occipital (visual) cortex and its radiations for the brain's processing.
9. The visual cortex interprets the signals as images and along with other parts of the brain, interpret the images to extract form, meaning, memory and context of the images.

This was taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye#How_we_see_an_object (I figured their source is more credible than if I just explained the same thing):

I believe the average person perceives about 50% of their environment at any given time, however, iirc from psychology class, our brain always focus' on new things that we have not yet seen. Our brain is really good at 'recreating' and filling in the rest of our memory. Our brain is constantly trying to make sense of so many new sensations that it actually creates a lot of images and fills in holes in our perception (looking out of the corner of your eye and seeing something, looking at a circle that isn't closed; your brain processes it as a closed circle). If anything, they would have filled in the 'invisible ship' with their own perception of the ship (they might not think of it as a "ship"), however, they still saw what we would describe as a huge floating wooden boat sailing towards them.

If your conjecture is true (about the native americans not being able to see a ship because they have never seen one before), then it would hold true into experiment.

EDIT: After running this simulation over in my head a few times, I have decided that the encounter would have been in this fashion:

The native americans chilling on the shore doing their native american things, then, out of the corner of either one or a few people's eye (or perhaps someone had a direct line of sight), they would notice a small obscure image. Their amygdala (the structure in your brain responsible for the fight or flight response; it analyzes all incoming physical sensory data and analyzes it's emotional significance) more than likely instantly alerted them of something odd approaching. The hypothalamus would issue an order to secrete to the pituatary gland which would issue a command to the master endocrine glands (adrenal) and the liver would then slam the body with sugar and the fight or flight response would be initiated. At this point, their brain has identified a potential survival threat and has shifted all conscious awareness to this peculiar object approaching. They would not hear the sounds of each other, the noises of nature or see anything except a huge fucking ship coming towards the shore.

They might not call it a "ship" and it's possible they could have subjectively perceived it as varying physical material objects (monster, spirit, animal, etc.), however, they SAW what we would all agree is a ship.

 

[TheGreeenGlob]

We process WAY more than 2000 bits a second. Hell, that's not even the same amount of information in a picture on the internet. Does it take you 30 seconds to be able to see a big picture?! Of course not! We process millions, if not billions of bits a second through our eyes and ears, never mind the other sense you can't quantify in such an easy way.

Then we can process enormous amounts of information. Trillions of neural firing happen in our brains every second. Think how quickly you can recall a memory is someone says "What did you do for your last birthday?" "Remember that kid Bob from 3rd grade". Even high speed computers which can search at rates higher than Gb/s can't find a random bit of information that quickly.

Our brains are the most complex object in the known universe, they can wipe the floor with any computer for almost anything other than just recalling data perfectly (some people CAN beat computers in that) and number crunching power (again, some people can beat computers).

Regardless of how amazing our brains are at taking in information they still miss most of what our senses take in. I agree with what you saying about how the brain is the most complex object in the KNOWN universe and that is what i am trying to say. The power of thought is incredible and i think too many people fail to realize the awesome power that thought has on "reality". We are agreeing in a lot of areas on this. I think people all view "reality" as “out there” and that they are just observing it and have no effect on what happens in the future. I believed this for many many years as it's how we all have been conditioned to think. I am starting to believe now that we can influence reality by what we think and believe. I made this thread to heard people ideas on the awesome power of the brain and of thought.

An experiment was done where scientists hooked up peoples brain to certain type of PET scans and showed them a object such as a chair and watched the areas of the brain that lit up. Then told them to close their eyes and imagine the same chair. The result was the exact same areas of the brain lighting up. Meaning the brain does not know the different between what is see "out there" and what is sees in your mind. This would help prove the awesome power of thought and the amazing power of the brain, which i agree with you on.

 

[complexPHILOSOPHY]

Regardless of how amazing our brains are at taking in information they still miss most of what our senses take in. I agree with what you saying about how the brain is the most complex object in the KNOWN universe and that is what i am trying to say. The power of thought is incredible and i think too many people fail to realize the awesome power that thought has on "reality". We are agreeing in a lot of areas on this. I think people all view "reality" as “out there” and that they are just observing it and have no effect on what happens in the future. I believed this for many many years as it's how we all have been conditioned to think. I am starting to believe now that we can influence reality by what we think and believe. I made this thread to heard people ideas on the awesome power of the brain and of thought.

You speak as though humans are seperate from reality. You seem to postulate the idea that we can 'affect' our reality in a metaphysical sense. It is an empirical observation to say that humans can shape, mold and in a sense "think up" our reality. However, this is by projecting our concepts and ideas onto the physical reality by building cities, vehicles, computers, etc. We have developed abstractions of reality (god, morality, logic, etc.) and we have embraced some of those things as objective aspects of reality.

We have shaped our reality exponentially since our inception, however, I would argue that it is not in the same fashion as you describe. Manipulating reality is possible, breaking reality is not.

An experiment was done where scientists hooked up peoples brain to certain type of PET scans and showed them a object such as a chair and watched the areas of the brain that lit up. Then told them to close their eyes and imagine the same chair. The result was the exact same areas of the brain lighting up. Meaning the brain does not know the different between what is see "out there" and what is sees in your mind. This would help prove the awesome power of thought and the amazing power of the brain, which i agree with you on.

This does not mean that the brain can't distinguish between external reality and internal reality. It would suggest the same areas of the brain were stimulated when the person saw the chair and then imagined the same chair. It's possible the same areas of the brain are stimulated because we don't actually "see" anything, we percieve the physical sensory data which our senses have detected. The fact that our brain perceives and creates an image of the data it has recieved and the fact that when she thinks about it the same area lights up, seems to suggest this moreso than our inability to seperate reality. We cannot interpret the electrochemical neural transmissions going on in the brain because it is encrypted in a pattern that only the brain can understand. We cannot accurately put forward this hypothesis in my opinion.

Do you have a link to the experiment? I am curious to read the entire procedure.

 

[PGTips]

What i don't think your getting is it would not matter for our evolution since we are already the most powerful species on the planet. No other animal in the world can compete with us so there is no NEED to evolve much further then we have.

Yes, but that wasn't the case up until a few thousand years ago. Before the agricultural revolution, we struggled to survive too.

In the past 25 years or so it seems we are getting smarter at a rate never seen before.

I don't think you grasp the time scales of evolution. 25 years is only 1 generation, no noticable difference will occur biologically. We are accelerating our learning as a civilisation because of our technology. That has nothing to do with our brain's processing abilities.

And like I said I was creating this thread to discuss the amazing power of thought.

Then why did you link to that crap video which tries to validate "Use some positive thought" with a completely shit link to physics.

Saying "Your attitude influences your life" is fine but saying "Quantum mechanics proves you create your own reality" is bullshit. It attempts to use verified, sound science to back up an extremely dubious notion.

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

Where the @#$% are the lesbian scene ?

If this is true it is a life changing video.

as a movie its cool, good visual...
as a "revelation" the quality is crap
it seems like they were trying to articulate a link between what they were saying, but they were none to be found
using science as a excuse for faith is really low

I am starting to believe now that we can influence reality by what we think and believe. I made this thread to heard people ideas on the awesome power of the brain and of thought.

to quote surge23 : Just a "quick" note, humans have known about this knowledge and used these powers and abilities plus more for thousands of years, our whole civilization as a whole is based on these principles and founded on this and we have just been disconnected from that knowledge systematically (.), science is playing catch up....

"awesome power of the brain" is not news
and if you are "starting to believe" maybe you could understand how faith is "magic"...
if you need science as a excuse for faith then what is so "awesome" about your brain...

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you know when you hear about "crazy" people who thought that taking a picture of somebody was kinda like stealing their soul ...
well i think that the last 4-6000year (?) have being about us losing our "soul"
we started to "take picture" of ourself with writen language
witch cause us to be "disconnected from that knowledge systematically "
we kinda trade 1 knowledge for another (technology)

You speak as though humans are seperate from reality. - complexPHILOSOPHY

well, maybe that is what we started to belive doing the picture thing..

i will not suggest to you to take (certain) drug, but they sure help to "unlearn" crap, that are so part of culture that its hard to see that sometimes we are more a the service of a "thought virus" (meme), than really ourself..

but then again 6000years ago shamanism was there as our "main religion"
hehe, and now im creating a correlation between my life and the story of humanity...
i was a kid, then acid, then dealing with (a new) reality, and then doing great
aka
monkey, shamanism, writen language (religion, science..), and then the beatles, the velvet underground, the doors... are all gonna put a new album in 2012... hehe, im crazy,, sorry

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

it seems like they were trying to articulate a link between what they were saying, but they were none to be found

that was from me, hehe
the sad thing is that i sure must look like that too

 

[TheGreeenGlob]

You speak as though humans are seperate from reality. You seem to postulate the idea that we can 'affect' our reality in a metaphysical sense. It is an empirical observation to say that humans can shape, mold and in a sense "think up" our reality. However, this is by projecting our concepts and ideas onto the physical reality by building cities, vehicles, computers, etc. We have developed abstractions of reality (god, morality, logic, etc.) and we have embraced some of those things as objective aspects of reality.

We have shaped our reality exponentially since our inception, however, I would argue that it is not in the same fashion as you describe. Manipulating reality is possible, breaking reality is not.


This does not mean that the brain can't distinguish between external reality and internal reality. It would suggest the same areas of the brain were stimulated when the person saw the chair and then imagined the same chair. It's possible the same areas of the brain are stimulated because we don't actually "see" anything, we percieve the physical sensory data which our senses have detected. The fact that our brain perceives and creates an image of the data it has recieved and the fact that when she thinks about it the same area lights up, seems to suggest this moreso than our inability to seperate reality. We cannot interpret the electrochemical neural transmissions going on in the brain because it is encrypted in a pattern that only the brain can understand. We cannot accurately put forward this hypothesis in my opinion.

Do you have a link to the experiment? I am curious to read the entire procedure.

Hello complex i was hoping you would comment. I have read many many of your posts on various threads and i truly think you are a great mind and value your opinion. Unlike many other i think you have an open mind and will at least consider that other ideas besides your own could be possible.

That being said: I don't know if you have watched the video I talked about in the beginning of this thread but i truly think it is worth your time. Regardless if some of the information is false they have a lot of accurate information about human biology in their and many interesting ideas and experiments. The experiment I am referring to was expressed in the video, I’m sure there is text on it somewhere on the net but I haven’t searched for it yet.

I don't mean to say that humans are separate from "reality". What I meant is that "reality" might not be what many have considered it to be. Everyone has a feeling of observing the world even though science cannot pin down why or how we feel this way. There is nothing in the brain called the observer(soul etc). "Reality" might not be "out there" it could very well be within us. We get information from the out side world through receptors such as our eyes, ears, nose, skin, etc. Then our brain has to decyp[her these incoming messages and tells us a story about what we saw. Ever notice how people always seem to fall into patterns? People who are sad and give reasons form why they are being victimized, why everything bad happens to them, etc, will continue to have bad things happen to them. On the other hand some one who always is positive and seems to have things just go their way. It is possible that the one person is just “luckier” then the other? I doubt that. Everyone has such a different view of their lives, reality etc. What is to say there is one concrete "reality" out there? Even if there was no one person could ever know it. Take history for example. In a college class i am taking now, i am learning all of the untold history of the world. All the things left out of the most history books on purpose, because if people knew how evil our government has been they would be very upset. It is showing me how much what people to believe to be so true is completely distorted or just plain lies. No one will truly be able to know what happened in the past because history is written by winners and the government control the school systems so they only but textbook that express what they want people to read. Another example is lets say two people see someone get killed. In one persons reality it was the worst most horrible thing they have ever seen. The other person thinks it was the best thing they’re ever seen. Which one of the two has interrupted “reality” right? Most would say the one who thought it was horrible (I would agree seeing that would be horrible), but that doesn’t change the fact that the “reality” for the other person, is that it was great.

Also think of a fly, or an animals "reality" What they see, smell taste, tough, hear would be so drastically different from what we see, touch, taste, smell and hear. We would say they don't truly know what reality is. How do we know that compared to some other type of intelligent being, we are not similar to an animal. Our senses are not nearly as developed enough to understand certain things. There are so many things that are unexplainable in this world. Please refer to my post a few above this one. It talks about how people do things that should be impossible but they are not because the people believe they can do it. In recent theories in science such as String Theory, M theory, Quantum Mechanics etc, they all state that much more is going on right around us that we are not aware of. String theory talks about other dimensions, worm holes, etc. These things would have seemed ridiculous to people 50 years ago and still see ridiculous to a lot of people today. However it is possible all of this is true. This means there is SO much more going on right in front of us that we are unaware of. Why should we trust our mediocre senses so much? I forget which philosopher asked, "Have your senses ever deceived you before?" Have you ever been so sure you saw something and they upon closer inspection realized how off you were? Why should we trust them so blindly?

Also the double slit experiment shows how electrons act differently when being observed or measured. This is truly an amazing discovery! I doubt anyone would have thought that the simple act of observing or measuring something could change the way it acts. Complex, the video is only 5 minutes long and I think you would find it very interesting. Check it out if you got a few minutes to kill. The other video is def worth watch too, although much longer

Double slit: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4237751840526284618&q=quantum+mechanics

What do we know?: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5337107563511500029&q=quantum+mechanics

I understand all these concepts seem like their impossible because they are so radically different form everything everyone has been taught. However throughout history there has been built in misconceptions about the world and “reality”. Hundreds of years ago the “reality” was that the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe. There was evidence to prove it because people didn’t see the curve of the earth and people could see the sun moving around the earth. However even though it appeared that way didn’t mean it was right. Now we know better that the world isn’t flat and isn’t the center of the universe. So which I it, did “reality” change? Or did our knowledge or “reality” change? And if just our knowledge of “reality” changed what to say we have all the knowledge of “reality” now? Some people back then said the world was round and the earth was not the center of the universe. Everyone thought they were crazy and there was no way that could be right. But they were.


Please let me know what you think complex as I said I truly value your opinion.

 

[PGTips]

It talks about how people do things that should be impossible but they are not because the people believe they can do it. In recent theories in science such as String Theory, M theory, Quantum Mechanics etc, they all state that much more is going on right around us that we are not aware of. String theory talks about other dimensions, worm holes, etc. These things would have seemed ridiculous to people 50 years ago and still see ridiculous to a lot of people today. However it is possible all of this is true. This means there is SO much more going on right in front of us that we are

Quantum mechanics is 80~100 years old and relativity is 90~100 years old (depending whose first idea you consider their beginnings). They are not exactly new ideas.

Again, it's one thing to say "The quantum world is difference from our every day world" (which is true), it's another to attempt to validate totally unscientific notions like "We create our reality" like the message WTBDWK tries to give. They prey on the ignorance of people in the area of quantum mechanics and twist it to their own purpose. Plenty of people have heard of how odd QM is but don't know any of the details, so the video expands on some of them but in the wrong way, for their own agenda.

You want to think your mind creates your reality? Fine, go ahead, but don't for a second think throwing in ideas like string theory and quantum mechanics validates that view. If it did, don't you think more people researching those things would share your view? The one guy who did research those things and appeared in WTBDWK got his comments edited to make it look like he supported Ramtha's ideas when infact he totally ripped them to shreds.

Trying to validate an unscientific view point with something you dont' understand and you know others don't understand (so they can't say you're wrong) is not right!

 

[TheGreeenGlob]

You want to think your mind creates your reality? Fine, go ahead, but don't for a second think throwing in ideas like string theory and quantum mechanics validates that view. [

I am not saying it validates this view i was just using it as an example that much more could be going on around us then we realized. String theory does state that.

Would you mind showing me the scientific data that proves this theory wrong please i would love to see it.